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nefarious2
Thu Oct 28, 2004 10:47 am
#222
DingoBoi wrote:
Yes, this is a game. In this game we run virtual business. The point of a business, is to make profit.
If you want to treat your crafting profession as a hobby, that's fine.. but don't claim you are running a business when your business is 'charity'.
Yes it is a business, but if you can't compete with the SWs that are mining I would sugest closing up shop. The people who are mining will always have a lower overhead than those that have to buy from miners.
The same things happen in the real world of business. Take a look at Walmart they offer products at lower prices than a lot of other stores that have high overhead. Those stores have to either lower their overhead or go out of business.
BrotherDavius
Thu Oct 28, 2004 10:59 am
#223
DingoBoi wrote:
Yes, this is a game. In this game we run virtual business. The point of a business, is to make profit.
If you want to treat your crafting profession as a hobby, that's fine.. but don't claim you are running a business when your business is 'charity'.
No the point of making money is to make sure everyone buys your product.
A mining shipwright can do that better than a buying shipwright as he spends less cash on the stuff he needs.
BillyBobthe50th
Thu Oct 28, 2004 11:08 am
#224
Many DE's dont go on CPU for pricing, Well, I dont, I just pick whats fair and discuss it with other DE's if its a good price.
Heres what you can expect from DE's in scyllia. Remember, about 3 or 4 DEs aggreed on this price, and DE's are the least greedy crafting profession by nature.
Flight computer: 5000+2500per level
Droid: 8000+3000 per level
Command modules: 20000 for a crate of 25.
BrotherDavius
Thu Oct 28, 2004 11:37 am
#225
MoreCowbell wrote:
FragRock-Creatures wrote:
"Yes, this is a game. In this game we run virtual business. The point of a business, is to make profit.
If you want to treat your crafting profession as a hobby, that's fine.. but don't claim you are running a business when your business is 'charity' "
Dude seriously you got some serious problems...I'm just glad you play on Eclipse, and i feel bad for anyone that deals with someone so obsessed with making fake money, i hope you have a real job
Dude, seriously, what is the point of crafting then? Are crafters supposed to run missions to finance their harvesters or buy resources on the market and then give their waresto you? Does every crafter need a combat alt to finance them? Or sell them to you at their cost so it's as cheap as you can get it? The point of crafting is to make fake money selling fake goods!
Go tell a weaponsmith he's ripping you off for selling a VK for more than 100 credits. Or an armorsmith that he should sell youa suit of composite for5k, because that's what it costs to mine the resources themselves, with a little profit. Tell them to run missions if they want to make money.
The original poster has every right to price as low as he is. If I even do sell to the public I'd be selling starter-level ships for less than he has in his model (I have a sliding curve that prices entry level ship chassis at 12k to the level 6 ships at 750k). But expecting a shipwright to sell a YT-1300 that takes 150,000 resources to build for the sameprice as a suit of composite that takes about 4000 resources to build is unreasonable to the shipwright.
If you want a ship that cheap, grind to master shipwright and build it yourself.
You do know that it cost less to mine your own stuff than to buy it.
Diorchas
Thu Oct 28, 2004 11:41 am
#226
How about I ask a very simple question instead of trying to explain how selling a finished ship for the fair market value of the materials is NOT greed.
Answer me this... why in hell would I want to spend all that time becoming a shipwright if I can make 5x-10x as much money selling resources instead? Why would I spend all the time, money and resources to Master the profession if, at the end, I can count on consumers b*tching that the prices are too high when those same people (or their friends) will greedily slurp up all the resources I have for sale?
Seriously, the idiocy here is mind-boggling. You call people who want to sell ships for the fair market value of the resources used to build them "greedy", yet YOU'RE the ones trying get shipwrights to sell their work for FAR less than it's worth. Who's greedy now?
Oh, and Takiwa... you really need to learn about economics if you think that the seller dictates fair market value. In a free market economy the seller offers something at a price and if it doesn't sell he either lowers his price or goes out of business. The CONSUMERS dictate the value of a good or service by either buying or not buying that good or service. The prices for resources are the way they are because comsumers buy them at the prices they buy them at. If people stopped buying my resources at my listed prices then I'd get the hint that those prices were too high and lower them. Pretty simple, right?
Answer me this... why in hell would I want to spend all that time becoming a shipwright if I can make 5x-10x as much money selling resources instead? Why would I spend all the time, money and resources to Master the profession if, at the end, I can count on consumers b*tching that the prices are too high when those same people (or their friends) will greedily slurp up all the resources I have for sale?
Seriously, the idiocy here is mind-boggling. You call people who want to sell ships for the fair market value of the resources used to build them "greedy", yet YOU'RE the ones trying get shipwrights to sell their work for FAR less than it's worth. Who's greedy now?
Oh, and Takiwa... you really need to learn about economics if you think that the seller dictates fair market value. In a free market economy the seller offers something at a price and if it doesn't sell he either lowers his price or goes out of business. The CONSUMERS dictate the value of a good or service by either buying or not buying that good or service. The prices for resources are the way they are because comsumers buy them at the prices they buy them at. If people stopped buying my resources at my listed prices then I'd get the hint that those prices were too high and lower them. Pretty simple, right?
BrotherDavius
Thu Oct 28, 2004 11:46 am
#227
Diorchas wrote:
How about I ask a very simple question instead of trying to explain how selling a finished ship for the fair market value of the materials is NOT greed.
Answer me this... why in hell would I want to spend all that time becoming a shipwright if I can make 5x-10x as much money selling resources instead? Why would I spend all the time, money and resources to Master the profession if, at the end, I can count on consumers b*tching that the prices are too high when those same people (or their friends) will greedily slurp up all the resources I have for sale?
Seriously, the idiocy here is mind-boggling. You call people who want to sell ships for the fair market value of the resources used to build them "greedy", yet YOU'RE the ones trying get shipwrights to sell their work for FAR less than it's worth. Who's greedy now?
Oh, and Takiwa... you really need to learn about economics if you think that the seller dictates fair market value. In a free market economy the seller offers something at a price and if it doesn't sell he either lowers his price or goes out of business. The CONSUMERS dictate the value of a good or service by either buying or not buying that good or service. The prices for resources are the way they are because comsumers buy them at the prices they buy them at. If people stopped buying my resources at my listed prices then I'd get the hint that those prices were too high and lower them. Pretty simple, right?
1. so you can make ships not everyone is in this for cash.
2. to make free or very cheap ships for mates.
3. if you mine your own stuff it is CHEAPER than buying it so cash will not be a problem and you can still make a nice profit.
So are you telling me that a shipwright that makes x-wings with no parts for 200k that mines his own stuff will not make a profit?
nefarious2
Thu Oct 28, 2004 11:53 am
#228
Diorchas wrote:
Answer me this... why in hell would I want to spend all that time becoming a shipwright if I can make 5x-10x as much money selling resources instead? Why would I spend all the time, money and resources to Master the profession if, at the end, I can count on consumers b*tching that the prices are too high when those same people (or their friends) will greedily slurp up all the resources I have for sale?
I asked this before and since you asked....Why don't all of us crafters stop crafting and just sell resources to each other.
It is a free market, and one of the nice things about a free market economy is that one person can make a change. If I sell for 2cpu and you sell for 4cpu, everyone wants to buy from me due to the fact they are saving money. eventually you will either have to lower your prices or go out of business.
There will always be 2 sides of this, those who mine and those who buy. I don't think that either side will ever sway the other, and soon either the buyers will have to lower their prices, or the miners will slowly creep up their prices. Either way within a few weeks I bet prices will slowly balance out. You will still have the 2 different prices but I don't think they will be that drastic.
Smerk
Thu Oct 28, 2004 1:36 pm
#229
FragRock-Creatures wrote:"Yes, this is a game. In this game we run virtual business. The point of a business, is to make profit.If you want to treat your crafting profession as a hobby, that's fine.. but don't claim you are running a business when your business is 'charity' "Dude seriously you got some serious problems...I'm just glad you play on Eclipse, and i feel bad for anyone that deals with someone so obsessed with making fake money, i hope you have a real job
It was due to this attitude that I quit crafting. I feel bad for crafters still doing it that have to deal with you guys. The point of the game is to have fun. If you think someone's over-charging, don't buy their stuff and keep looking. You don't have to make it personal.
Sangius0815
Thu Oct 28, 2004 2:55 pm
#230
where do you get resources for 3 cpu ?
on farstar im only seeing 100k steel goes for 2 million or more 
Sangius
SplinterCellDude
Thu Oct 28, 2004 3:05 pm
#231
If you think 55K for a lvl two ship is insane, my guildie is supplying me with them for 25K!!
Ackew
Thu Oct 28, 2004 3:24 pm
#232
SplinterCellDude wrote:
If you think 55K for a lvl two ship is insane, my guildie is supplying me with them for 25K!!
Well in OUR guild you get a FREE tier 1 ship
Ackew
Thu Oct 28, 2004 3:25 pm
#233
Sangius0815 wrote:
where do you get resources for 3 cpu ?
on farstar im only seeing 100k steel goes for 2 million or more
Thats because its an UBER steel probley the best steel EVER to spawn on far star.
Sangius0815
Thu Oct 28, 2004 3:35 pm
#234
with oq 161?
Ackew wrote:
Sangius0815 wrote:
where do you get resources for 3 cpu ?
on farstar im only seeing 100k steel goes for 2 million or more
Thats because its an UBER steel probley the best steel EVER to spawn on far star.