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ArjunThakur
Fri Jul 09, 2004 5:47 pm
#222
BukuJohnson wrote:
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ArjunThakur Wrote -
3. Forcerun3 has to have some counter, and considering Dark Jedi need to take at least part of the Force Power tree to make good use of their force mods in the ranking system, having Choke cancel or prevent Force run simply makes sense. There very well could be a better suggestion for how to counter forcerun3, but be realistic about this, having forcerun3 should not mean you can get away from any fight, anywhere, anytime.
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I like the idea of Choke having an effect on FR3, what about a scaled system -
Weaken 1 = Reduces FR3 to 66%, reduces FR2 to 33%,and cancels out bonuses of FR1
Weaken 2 = Reduces FR3 to 33%, cancels out FR2, cancels out FR1
Force Choke = Cancels out bonuses of FR3, FR2, FR3
Maintain the current timers on the weaken and choke skills so that they must be re applied if the effect is to remain. Correlate the force cost for the two trees. ie weaken 1 has the same fc as force run 1, etc.
Buku
Naritus
I don't like weaken being used as it would allow Jedi dabblers to cancel the ability....think about it
ArjunThakur
Fri Jul 09, 2004 5:48 pm
#223
Optik_Virdeen wrote:
Arjun, again what about Neutral Bounty Hunters? with your suggestions FRS Jedi's will have nothing to fear from us as we can't go overt. Lets recap this, Neutral Bounty Hunter gets a Jedi mission, Bounty Hunter kills Jedi(somehow anyway), the Jedi is in the FRS, the Jedi doesn't lose Jedi XP, Jedi doesn't lose FRS Ranking because the Neutral Bounty Hunter can't go Overt. Do you see where I'm coming from?
So you make Neutral BH cause either side to lose FRS XP...
Optik_Virdeen
Fri Jul 09, 2004 5:51 pm
#224
ArjunThakur wrote:
Optik_Virdeen wrote:
Arjun, again what about Neutral Bounty Hunters? with your suggestions FRS Jedi's will have nothing to fear from us as we can't go overt. Lets recap this, Neutral Bounty Hunter gets a Jedi mission, Bounty Hunter kills Jedi(somehow anyway), the Jedi is in the FRS, the Jedi doesn't lose Jedi XP, Jedi doesn't lose FRS Ranking because the Neutral Bounty Hunter can't go Overt. Do you see where I'm coming from?
So you make Neutral BH cause either side to lose FRS XP...
I can live with that then, it's just if you don't specify in your plan, some people, like myself, would see it as the Jedi wouldn't lose anything.
Nogie
Fri Jul 09, 2004 5:54 pm
#225
Yeah all of this is fine, I hate being a dark jedi without powers and I am tired of track meet fights........however, I went master enhancer so I could compete and if it is changed I want a /restartconversion, I want to still have completed the knight trials, and I want to retain my rank four status in the dark enclave..........anything short of that and myself and my alt accounts will be cancelled.
pwnz the following nubs 
biwan:
Dragunsoul
Fri Jul 09, 2004 5:54 pm
#226
Simple solution. Put Tefs back in the game. Plain and simple.
On live before the revamp you wouldnt see so many Jedi waltzin around and now you do. Why? Because we are stronger? LMFAO. Hell No.
The reason is simply because Tefs were removed and now Jedi dont have to worry about showing off.
Sorry Arjun I do not agree. If you want to nerf Force run 3 they need to nerf Cm's poisons first. I dont see why things like Cm's overpowered poisons dont get nerfed yet everyone is calling for a force run 3 nerf when it doesnt actually hurt anyone.
I do like helping my overt friends in combat. Another solution would be to make it so that we can only participate in pvp if we are overt.
Anyways if Jedi get more nerfs Im hitting the cancel button.
Nasir Jones
Woodmanseee
Fri Jul 09, 2004 5:56 pm
#227
The only thing I think would be fair is force choke! Master skill, and it would add something thats more than needed to the force weilder line!
Like the guy said before. When this was force run 2 live, and all jedi got it. Not one person moaned!
bioshock2
Fri Jul 09, 2004 5:56 pm
#228
bioshock2 wrote:
Also, just to elaborate a bit on what I said before:
I really don't see choke as a viable counter to run3. Choke has a limited range and as soon as the runner gets out of that range, he's gone.
Also, there might not be very many, if any, who have both run3 and choke, so there won't be anyone chasing down the runner in order to choke him.
I almost think a long range posture down might be a better counter to run3 than choke.
Thinking about this a bit more...
As much as I hate to say it...because I can hear the flames now...and it is just a quick thought not something I've really considered in depth...but:
There is a force kd. Perhaps sabre throw could be changed to a long range posture down and leave kd where it is, in powers. If nothing else, it would make powers more attactive - since everyone wants that dizzy/kd combo but they are getting it from the ls tree and thus don't need the powers tree - and throw might then work as a bit better counter to run3.
Of course, everyone who picked a template without the kd from powers would be SUPER pissed if this happened. That could be overcome though with a one-time /restartConversion (which a lot of people want anyway.)
At the same time, the suggestion to lower the time that run3 is active is a good one. The higher the level of run you choose, the faster you go, but the less time you get to do it. This also makes a lower level of run a viable choice in certain circumstances.
This also gives someone with only run2 at least a chance of eventually getting into range to tag the runner with a throw (and if throw is a posture down instead of a kd, then thakatillo isn't going to help the runner).
(reaches for flameproof underwear)
archontas
Fri Jul 09, 2004 5:58 pm
#229
arjun once again tell em to take us out of the GCW thats the easiest solution for everything and no one would complain anymore.
BukuJohnson
Fri Jul 09, 2004 5:59 pm
#230
Arjun, again what about Neutral Bounty Hunters? with your suggestions FRS Jedi's will have nothing to fear from us as we can't go overt. Lets recap this, Neutral Bounty Hunter gets a Jedi mission, Bounty Hunter kills Jedi(somehow anyway), the Jedi is in the FRS, the Jedi doesn't lose Jedi XP, Jedi doesn't lose FRS Ranking because the Neutral Bounty Hunter can't go Overt. Do you see where I'm coming from?
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Optik Virdeen
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Yes I can see where you are coming from. It isn't enough that you get paid a reward for a successful bounty mission, you want to be able to grief the Jedi out of his hard earned xpwithouthaving to choose a factionor taking any risk. Nice, you frikken coward!
I want to know when I can expect to get paid or cost a BH xp when as their mission Ikill them instead.They are the only ones beside Jedi that have any profession specificcontent now, and just like us they deserve a penalty for the right to play such a"cool class".
Buku
Naritus
Rathmata
Fri Jul 09, 2004 6:05 pm
#231
There is no merittoyour suggestion that chokeshould cancel force run III. (Is the third component of your template master force wielder or something?) How is it reasonable that masters of the Powers skill tree have the ability to conteract this skill, but master Defender and master LS are left without a way to counter it? There is no logic behind this suggestion.
"I also agree having feedback work against lightning/choke is just over the top.....however how do we address that without just a blatant nerf request?"
Are you kidding me? Are you trying to make Enhancer entirely useless? If you "make this blantantnerf request" you've lost all respect Ihad for you as our correspondent. If you nerf feedback and fr, you're basically killing the entire tree. I'm really sensing a bias towards Powers here... and considering you only mentioned 1 of your2 master trees, I'm assuming it's because that's your other tree. If you want to up the effectiveness of Powers jedi, don't do it at the expense of Enhancers.
Nerfing would mean I was tricked into taking enhancer... leaving me overly vulnerable to the Powers jedi... If they do what you're suggesting we better get to repick our skills.
This is a joke, and I hope any enchancer or people planning on getting the enhancer tree speak up here. Our corespondent sounds like he's working against a big part of the community here.
BukuJohnson
Fri Jul 09, 2004 6:05 pm
#232
BukuJohnson wrote:
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ArjunThakur Wrote -
3. Forcerun3 has to have some counter, and considering Dark Jedi need to take at least part of the Force Power tree to make good use of their force mods in the ranking system, having Choke cancel or prevent Force run simply makes sense. There very well could be a better suggestion for how to counter forcerun3, but be realistic about this, having forcerun3 should not mean you can get away from any fight, anywhere, anytime.
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I like the idea of Choke having an effect on FR3, what about a scaled system -
Weaken 1 = Reduces FR3 to 66%, reduces FR2 to 33%,and cancels out bonuses of FR1
Weaken 2 = Reduces FR3 to 33%, cancels out FR2, cancels out FR1
Force Choke = Cancels out bonuses of FR3, FR2, FR3
Maintain the current timers on the weaken and choke skills so that they must be re applied if the effect is to remain. Correlate the force cost for the two trees. ie weaken 1 has the same fc as force run 1, etc.
Buku
Naritus
I don't like weaken being used as it would allow Jedi dabblers to cancel the ability....think about it
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It was a scaled system, so a "dabbler" could not cancel FR3, since you dont get Choke until Master Powers.
The best a person without master powers could do is reduce the effectiveness of FR3.
This suggestion also goes a good way toward improving the desirability of the Powers tree for the Dark jedi.
Buku
Naritus
Ghost151
Fri Jul 09, 2004 6:05 pm
#233
BukuJohnson wrote:
Yes I can see where you are coming from. It isn't enough that you get paid a reward for a successful bounty mission, you want to be able to grief the Jedi out of his hard earned xpwithouthaving to choose a factionor taking any risk. Nice, you frikken coward!
I want to know when I can expect to get paid or cost a BH xp when as their mission Ikill them instead.They are the only ones beside Jedi that have any profession specificcontent now, and just like us they deserve a penalty for the right to play such a"cool class".
Buku
Naritus
He has a valid point. Why shouldn't a Jedi lose ranking or XP for dieing to a Neutral BH? It is no different than dieing to any other player.
If a Jedi dies to a BH with mission on them they should lose ranking or XP just like dieing by any other means in the game, more if they die to the BH since they are a non-Jedi.
Optik_Virdeen
Fri Jul 09, 2004 6:06 pm
#234
BukuJohnson wrote:
Arjun, again what about Neutral Bounty Hunters? with your suggestions FRS Jedi's will have nothing to fear from us as we can't go overt. Lets recap this, Neutral Bounty Hunter gets a Jedi mission, Bounty Hunter kills Jedi(somehow anyway), the Jedi is in the FRS, the Jedi doesn't lose Jedi XP, Jedi doesn't lose FRS Ranking because the Neutral Bounty Hunter can't go Overt. Do you see where I'm coming from?
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Optik Virdeen
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Yes I can see where you are coming from. It isn't enough that you get paid a reward for a successful bounty mission, you want to be able to grief the Jedi out of his hard earned xpwithouthaving to choose a factionor taking any risk. Nice, you frikken coward!
I want to know when I can expect to get paid or cost a BH xp when as their mission Ikill them instead.They are the only ones beside Jedi that have any profession specificcontent now, and just like us they deserve a penalty for the right to play such a"cool class".
Buku
Naritus
I came here with a ligitimate question, not asking to be flamed and have never flamed a Jedi. I play a neutral for role playing purposes as I don't think Bounty Hunters should belong to any faction. Bounty Hunters are mercs.hired to kill someone. Plain and simple. I would be all for it if Bounty Hunters lost xp or skills when killed by a Jedi. I think that should happen to all combat professions. I didn't create this game and I didn't make the rules. Hell I'm not even a Novice Bounty Hunter yet. So I'll take your comments as one of the Elitest Jedi's that want's all the power.
*note to all Jedi's I do not think you all act this way and do not hold this ones actions against anyone else.*