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KyleKnox

Fri Jul 09, 2004 5:29 pm

ArjunThakur wrote:

Intro Explanation

Let me explain a couple things to put this post in perspective....

1. If we don't take some concession on Forcerun3 and police ourselves, its going to get nerfed. This is just a fact. So either we take a deep breath and find some balance with this skill or you can put your blind trust in the devs decision as the complaints keep piling up. Think about it. Think hard and come up with some good suggestions or reason it should not be changed that take into account you and your opponent, don't just scream NO NERF.

2. FRS Jedi killing overts is also a big problem and very high on the complain list against Jedi. So again, either we work with the rest of the community here and help balance this or we can just sit back and cross our fingers..... Creating Jedi sub-factions is something being throw around in the correspondent forum which would allow Light and Dark Jedi to always fight each other and is still being explored.

ARJUN, really cant believe this. We HAD THIS RENERF CRAMMED DOWN OUR THROATS. They ignored our issues. We did not want permaovert. WE DID NOT WANT 24/7 PvP. But we got it . Pub 9 nerfed us to hell.

Let me give you just a few facts. We didnt fight the the nerfs in pub 9 as a community. You seemed to give up or agree and go along. Now we get the same from you on frun3, A POWER THAT HAS BEEN IN THE GAME FOR 10 MONTHS. Well that is simply unacceptable. We have lost armour, we have lost skills. WE are no longer tanks and WE HAVE NO STAMINA IN A FIGHT. NONE. IF we cant hit and run, escape and evade WE ARE DOOMED. Play FRS on live. Arjun. PLAY FRS ON LIVE. Have the @#$%-ing devs play FRS on live. A swordsman does TWICE the damage to a jedi that another Master LS jedi with a very good 4th gen saber does. TWICE THE DAMAGE.

Normal players and BH's have been tef ganking jedi since we appeared in the game. Its just too damn bad they cant take A VERY VERY VERY little bit of their same medicine. They can choose to go overt or not. They can prepare with buffs and food and a small group. Its not that solo jedi are so uber and al powerful...itsthe jedi and their guilds of gank squads - harcore PvPers - that are gank raping people on YOUR server ECLIPSE.

But this is all about the damage the DEVS HAVE WROUGHT. THEY thought they knew best and created this nightmare. Now you side with them and say ok - the only solution is more skill nerfs - AFTER WE HAVE HAD NOTHING BUT SKILL NERFS!!! NO, ARJUN!

Simple solutions - pull us out of GCW. Remove permaovert. Remove FRS points from kills. Light Knights have voting, periodically, While dark jedi have PERIODIC DUEL tournaments....ladders with seeds. That way both sides are time gated and rewarded for play time and senoirity.

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PrePatch9 4444 Guardian
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Jowet

Fri Jul 09, 2004 5:31 pm

#210

With only 3 Dark Jedi Knights on eclipse it is going to be very hard to level at all if you take away exp for normal overts. We will be restricted to if they log on and with the exp decay it will take forever. As it stands right now if you get 1000 frs exp a day it will take you about 3 years to get Council Leader. Exp for all overt kills needs to be increased. And if they nerf enhancer will they let us reroll without losing our FRS exp or rank. I took master enhancer because of FR3 so if they nerf it I'll be stuck with another useless box.

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Kalelz

Fri Jul 09, 2004 5:31 pm

#211

Nice changes being implemented thus far, however Arjun can I appeal to you since changes are on the way, do let us at least have a /restartconversion. It's the least the devs can do to assist us in adapting to the changes.

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bioshock2

Fri Jul 09, 2004 5:32 pm

#212

Also, just to elaborate a bit on what I said before:

I really don't see choke as a viable counter to run3. Choke has a limited range and as soon as the runner gets out of that range, he's gone.

Also, there might not be very many, if any, who have both run3 and choke, so there won't be anyone chasing down the runner in order to choke him.

I almost think a long range posture down might be a better counter to run3 than choke.

makimus

Fri Jul 09, 2004 5:32 pm

#213

bah, repost

ArjunThakur wrote:

1. Increase the Jedi vs. Jedi FRS XP by a factor of 5 making Jedi vs. Jedi very desirable

This will most likely increase the pace at which Jedi fill the ranks, but will give focus to Jedi vs. Jedi fighting and allow the challenge systems to act as the stopgaps like they should be....not just a pure lack of FRS XP.

why not just an overall FRS xp increase, or add some other way to gain FRS xp without having to farm overts all day.

light jedisupposedly areproblem solvers, perhaps they get some missions from the enclave, like go defend this city (like how tuskens raid bestine)

dark jedi should be like, go assassinate this corellian politician and his army.

thats way better content than having to kill other players over and over. and over.

ArjunThakur wrote:

2. Remove FRS XP for normal overts

hell no

ArjunThakur wrote:

3.Increase the penalty for dying to an Overt by a factor of 5

This will encourage players hunting Jedi to go Overt, and discourage casual "griefing" of starports and other high profile areas by Jedi

yea maybe. there needs to be more of an incentive to be overt rather than a penalty. maybe something like 5% to fp gain and 2% to xp gain. i dunno, maybe that sucks too.

ArjunThakur wrote:

4. Remove the FRS XP penalty vs. Coverts

This will discourage players from abusing the group TEF bug and encourage more Overt play

This will also fix the bug where Coverts with a TEF can grant Jedi FRS XP

and tweakthe Group TEFwhile you are at it. 10 combat medics with 1 overt is fun.

ArjunThakur wrote:

5. Change Force Run to be a Force over time based skill....i.e. it uses5-10 force per second...which is not crippling but also would prevent a Jedi with 0 force pool from running indefinately.

nah. we dont even have armor (and dont say we have force armor) so most have to run.

still, pretty much takes another fr3 jedi to kill another fr3 jedi.

ArjunThakur wrote:

6. Make Force Choke cancel Force Run

This would prevent Jedi from fleeing any battle at anytime and make the Force Power tree more desirable (yes I know it needs a lot more help than this)

the best force choke is being locked in a saber animation for 5 seconds.

but really, i thought force choke would hold the person in place for a duration. and maybe stop all ham/force regeneration while choked.

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Woodmanseee

Fri Jul 09, 2004 5:36 pm

#214

Seems to me all the jedi that didnt pick master enhancer wants force run 3 nerfed. Wonder why?

Force run 3 dosnt help for duels inside the enclave! Or does it?

Force run 3 is a gcw skill. Thats why I picked it. Ive seen one other jedi on my server with master enhancer! Most have alot of the defense tree, and in a duel guess what I cant really beat them. Same as force run 3 stops them from beating me..

There is ways to beat a force runner. First for him to kill he needs to come in close, hes not going to do much with just saber throw. When hes in close, hes weak. Remember hes prob got master saber, master enhance and 4004 healing.This template can get beat down pretty fast with enough people hitting, poison,disease, kd, dizzy,posture change,intimidate, warcry etc. Then force run 3 has to worry about his pool. No force pool, hes dead and cant get away. This template like I said before sucks in duels!

If they do make a drastic change to force run, I just hope they give us the chance to reroll.

Message Edited by Woodmanseee on 07-10-2004 02:18 AM

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Optik_Virdeen

Fri Jul 09, 2004 5:37 pm

#215

Arjun, again what about Neutral Bounty Hunters? with your suggestions FRS Jedi's will have nothing to fear from us as we can't go overt. Lets recap this, Neutral Bounty Hunter gets a Jedi mission, Bounty Hunter kills Jedi(somehow anyway), the Jedi is in the FRS, the Jedi doesn't lose Jedi XP, Jedi doesn't lose FRS Ranking because the Neutral Bounty Hunter can't go Overt. Do you see where I'm coming from?

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Lonacca

Fri Jul 09, 2004 5:40 pm

#216

I'd prefer to see FR3 have some counter measure against it from say force powers, i.e. the choke suggestion, than having FR3 itself changed. That would go some way to addressing the problems ofjedi v jedi fights and give some more meaning to having the force powers tree.

Given that we have no armour now, nor resists on the robes, jedi still need the ability to escape gank squads. Changing FR3 itself would only further hurt jedi.

Nobody complained about jedi in the GCW when any week old newb could kill them, but now that jedi can fight back and win people are upset?

If they don't want jedi to kill overts/coverts whatever, take them out of the CGW and give us light, dark and neutral jedi factions.

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Bentos

Fri Jul 09, 2004 5:40 pm

#217

I'm just curious how all of a sudden did force run become this giant overpowered skill. Little hint for you old school force run2 = current force run3. Its the same speed, same terrain negotiation as it ever was. Just now you need to make a choice to buy it, its not a freebie that everyone will get just for leveling to guardian.

We have always had the option to escape. Guess some of you never experienced it.

If Overts don't like being jumped, well they shouldn't be Overt then should they?

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kardia

Fri Jul 09, 2004 5:43 pm

#218

You know Ajurn I just people would live our Jedi Profession Alone Its only been 2 weeks and everyone wants to change stuff. Jedi have had this forcerun for a long time. Now just becuase people want to kill for their xp they want to nerf it. To be very honest I don't want forcerun3 nerf. PLEASE DO NOT CHANGE THIS. It was the only thing I enjoy on Tc2 as a Jedi. So I will go with number6 ForceChoke to cancel the abitlity to force run for maybe 20secound if I had to chose.

Also Ajurn alot of people who are not Jedi simply don't understand what we go through. Everyone is just looking for there kill and what makes them proud that they killed a Jedi. People don't even give it a change to settle in before they say it needs to be nerfed. They have one or 2 bad experience with something and they hate before they don't want to take the time to deal with it. There are alot of combat issues in this game and we have found ways of how to deal with it. This is something people have to consider everyone doesn't want to PvP PLAIN AND SIMPLE. I want to enjory my Jedi but I don't want to give up what I like about my Jedi profession just becuause want to kill me to my up to the top. Everyone just wants to climb over everyone and just becuase they are not going to have that skills tree they figure well hell lets ruin the other trees so we can get some freaky xp. There should be some controled testing going on and certain people shouldn't be involved. They let what there goals are affect the entire game of others. This is suppose to be a game not a job. Stop trying to put everyone down to make it to the top and have some fun. Ok enough complaing.

I agree with number 6 if I have to chose this way the power tree would be more desirable but it has to be a master skill.

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BukuJohnson

Fri Jul 09, 2004 5:43 pm

#219

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ArjunThakur Wrote -

3. Forcerun3 has to have some counter, and considering Dark Jedi need to take at least part of the Force Power tree to make good use of their force mods in the ranking system, having Choke cancel or prevent Force run simply makes sense. There very well could be a better suggestion for how to counter forcerun3, but be realistic about this, having forcerun3 should not mean you can get away from any fight, anywhere, anytime.

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I like the idea of Choke having an effect on FR3, what about a scaled system -

Weaken 1 = Reduces FR3 to 66%, reduces FR2 to 33%,and cancels out bonuses of FR1

Weaken 2 = Reduces FR3 to 33%, cancels out FR2, cancels out FR1

Force Choke = Cancels out bonuses of FR3, FR2, FR3

Maintain the current timers on the weaken and choke skills so that they must be re applied if the effect is to remain. Correlate the force cost for the two trees. ie weaken 1 has the same fc as force run 1, etc.

Buku

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Bastilaa

Fri Jul 09, 2004 5:45 pm

#220

Sorry arjun,

All the negative feedback we gave during TC2? it was ignored if the devs had one ounce of common sense they would listen to there player base instead of ramming there we know best BS design. This dev team lets us down time and time again and all we get is nerfed harder and harder

The simple solution is just take us out of the GCW as a direct implication, give us Light & Dark factions, have our PVP records (scores) vs each other give GCW bonuses to normal players so they inturn will want us around, as it stands today we are hated. As for your ideas

1. Increase the Jedi vs. Jedi FRS XP by a factor of 5 making Jedi vs. Jedi very desirable

Yes great idea

2. Remove FRS XP for normal overts

Remove this totaly make us our own faction

3.Increase the penalty for dying to an Overt by a factor of 3

See above

4. Remove the FRS XP penalty vs. Coverts

See above

5. Change Force Run 3 to cost less force to activate, but be a Force over time based skill....i.e. it uses5-10 force per second...which is not crippling but also would prevent a Jedi with 0 force pool from running indefinately. Note, this is only a change to Force Run3

You want to change this then give us some resists on our robes, they want us to go toe to toe with stuff and not run make it so we can

6. Make Force Choke cancel Force Run

Will not work, they will never catch them to apply it

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ArjunThakur

Fri Jul 09, 2004 5:46 pm

#221

Kalelz wrote:

Nice changes being implemented thus far, however Arjun can I appeal to you since changes are on the way, do let us at least have a /restartconversion. It's the least the devs can do to assist us in adapting to the changes.

There are no changes on the way, nothing about my post is being submitted without the Jedi communities stamp of approval (which obviously hasn't happened yet ).

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