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I was just pointing out that there is more to Star Wars than Jedi. Wish you people would realize that.
Along those same lines, SOE can pull from that content without having to resort to Jedi to sell. JTL is a perfect example.
Ok when you say Star Wars I very much doubt the first thing that pops into anyone head is "oh wow E-11 Carbines" I'd be pretty certain that it is Darth Vader, Luke Skywalker and/or the force, maybe Yoda as well. Most people who know the movies tend to think of Jedi and the force first, other bits second. I dont care to hear your after the fact by saying "I never thought of Jedi first" it doesn't matter it's a post script to this and easily fabricated, also since your not Frank Gallop don't give me unscientific polls either. I am fairly certain this is how it goes, I could be wrong, I wont bore you with BS either.
The force I think we can agree is one if not the most recognizable elements of Star Wars.
BrotherDavius wrote:
Massadonious wrote:
Slarus wrote:
I guess you missed the partswith Stormtroopers, Super Star Destroyers, X-Wings, Y-Wings, A-Wings, B-Wings, TIE Fighters, Grand Moff Tarkin,Ewoks, Jawas, Sand People, Rebels, Imperials, Han Solo, Princess Leia, Chewbacca, C-3PO, R2-D2, Jabba The Hutt, Bib Fortuna, Oola, the band at Jabba's palace, Gammoreans,Boba Fett, The Rancor, The Sarlaac, Lando Calrissian, his Sullstan co-pilot, Biggs, Wedge, TonTons, the Snow Creature, Snowspeeders, The Falcon, Banthas, AT-AT's, AT-ST's, E11 Carbines and Rifles, Dewbacks, Greedo, DL-44 pistols, Mos Eisley, The Death Star, Uncle Owen and Aunt Beru, X34 Speeders, Swoops, Speederbikes, Endor, Hoth, Bespin,Scout Troopers, Snow Troopers.
Oh yeah, then there's Jedi.
Nitpicky aren't we, but were not talking about equipment or NPCs, we are talking about player characters.
his Sullstan co-pilot Nein Nuub, not sure on the spelling but that is the name.
I was just pointing out that there is more to Star Wars than Jedi. Wish you people would realize that.
Along those same lines, SOE can pull from that content without having to resort to Jedi to sell. JTL is a perfect example.
But that would mean that KOTOR is not star wars as it has not got any of the things in it that you think make star wars? How dose that work.
Massadonious wrote:
BrotherDavius wrote:
Massadonious wrote:
Slarus wrote:
I guess you missed the partswith Stormtroopers, Super Star Destroyers, X-Wings, Y-Wings, A-Wings, B-Wings, TIE Fighters, Grand Moff Tarkin,Ewoks, Jawas, Sand People, Rebels, Imperials, Han Solo, Princess Leia, Chewbacca, C-3PO, R2-D2, Jabba The Hutt, Bib Fortuna, Oola, the band at Jabba's palace, Gammoreans,Boba Fett, The Rancor, The Sarlaac, Lando Calrissian, his Sullstan co-pilot, Biggs, Wedge, TonTons, the Snow Creature, Snowspeeders, The Falcon, Banthas, AT-AT's, AT-ST's, E11 Carbines and Rifles, Dewbacks, Greedo, DL-44 pistols, Mos Eisley, The Death Star, Uncle Owen and Aunt Beru, X34 Speeders, Swoops, Speederbikes, Endor, Hoth, Bespin,Scout Troopers, Snow Troopers.
Oh yeah, then there's Jedi.
Nitpicky aren't we, but were not talking about equipment or NPCs, we are talking about player characters.
his Sullstan co-pilot Nein Nuub, not sure on the spelling but that is the name.
I was just pointing out that there is more to Star Wars than Jedi. Wish you people would realize that.
Along those same lines, SOE can pull from that content without having to resort to Jedi to sell. JTL is a perfect example.
But that would mean that KOTOR is not star wars as it has not got any of the things in it that you think make star wars? How dose that work.
How narrow minded you are.
I never said that Star Wars isin't Jedi, just that there is much, MUCH,more to the universe than fancy flashlight weilding monks with overrated telekensis.
Furthermore, I was refering to the Old Trilogy, the "supposed" setting of SWG. They have PLENTY of content on their hands to pull from the movies and EU in this era, without having to resort to using Jedi as PC characters. Maybe if JTL was part of the core game to start, they wouldn't of needed to resort to adding in Jedi to bring in revenue.
(Now, before you give me that crap about how Swordsmen, Pikemen, andall thatwerent in the movies either, think how much fun this game would be if the only combat profs werejust Pistoleers, Carbineers, or Riflemen? Thought so. Melee was brought in to provide some kind of vareity to this game. Hopefully, with the combat balance, which should of happened in place of the Jedi publishes, melee will be more in line with ranged so that the ones that want to weild blasters and feel more like Star Wars, will have just as equal a chance in combat as the people who want to bash others with hammers and pikes)
You do know that there where jedi in the EU inthe old trilogy, we are playing in the EU not the films we are just useing the time line of the films.
Also this game dose not need melee profs to be fun or to work if there where no melee profs in this game the game would have more balance. You forgot commando and Bounty hunter, Is there melee profs in battlefront, No there is not, is the game still fun, yes it is.
The only melle prof that should be in this game is TKA and they should be as rare as jedi and should be as hard to get.
Slarus wrote:
I was just pointing out that there is more to Star Wars than Jedi. Wish you people would realize that.
Along those same lines, SOE can pull from that content without having to resort to Jedi to sell. JTL is a perfect example.
Ok when you say Star Wars I very much doubt the first thing that pops into anyone head is "oh wow E-11 Carbines" I'd be pretty certain that it is Darth Vader, Luke Skywalker and/or the force, maybe Yoda as well. Most people who know the movies tend to think of Jedi and the force first, other bits second. I dont care to hear your after the fact by saying "I never thought of Jedi first" it doesn't matter it's a post script to this and easily fabricated, also since your not Frank Gallop don't give me unscientific polls either. I am fairly certain this is how it goes, I could be wrong, I wont bore you with BS either.
The force I think we can agree is one if not the most recognizable elements of Star Wars.
BrotherDavius wrote:
Massadonious wrote:
BrotherDavius wrote:
Massadonious wrote:
Slarus wrote:
I guess you missed the partswith Stormtroopers, Super Star Destroyers, X-Wings, Y-Wings, A-Wings, B-Wings, TIE Fighters, Grand Moff Tarkin,Ewoks, Jawas, Sand People, Rebels, Imperials, Han Solo, Princess Leia, Chewbacca, C-3PO, R2-D2, Jabba The Hutt, Bib Fortuna, Oola, the band at Jabba's palace, Gammoreans,Boba Fett, The Rancor, The Sarlaac, Lando Calrissian, his Sullstan co-pilot, Biggs, Wedge, TonTons, the Snow Creature, Snowspeeders, The Falcon, Banthas, AT-AT's, AT-ST's, E11 Carbines and Rifles, Dewbacks, Greedo, DL-44 pistols, Mos Eisley, The Death Star, Uncle Owen and Aunt Beru, X34 Speeders, Swoops, Speederbikes, Endor, Hoth, Bespin,Scout Troopers, Snow Troopers.
Oh yeah, then there's Jedi.
Nitpicky aren't we, but were not talking about equipment or NPCs, we are talking about player characters.
his Sullstan co-pilot Nein Nuub, not sure on the spelling but that is the name.
I was just pointing out that there is more to Star Wars than Jedi. Wish you people would realize that.
Along those same lines, SOE can pull from that content without having to resort to Jedi to sell. JTL is a perfect example.
But that would mean that KOTOR is not star wars as it has not got any of the things in it that you think make star wars? How dose that work.
How narrow minded you are.
I never said that Star Wars isin't Jedi, just that there is much, MUCH,more to the universe than fancy flashlight weilding monks with overrated telekensis.
Furthermore, I was refering to the Old Trilogy, the "supposed" setting of SWG. They have PLENTY of content on their hands to pull from the movies and EU in this era, without having to resort to using Jedi as PC characters. Maybe if JTL was part of the core game to start, they wouldn't of needed to resort to adding in Jedi to bring in revenue.
(Now, before you give me that crap about how Swordsmen, Pikemen, andall thatwerent in the movies either, think how much fun this game would be if the only combat profs werejust Pistoleers, Carbineers, or Riflemen? Thought so. Melee was brought in to provide some kind of vareity to this game. Hopefully, with the combat balance, which should of happened in place of the Jedi publishes, melee will be more in line with ranged so that the ones that want to weild blasters and feel more like Star Wars, will have just as equal a chance in combat as the people who want to bash others with hammers and pikes)
You do know that there where jedi in the EU inthe old trilogy, we are playing in the EU not the films we are just useing the time line of the films.
There is nothing in the EU that can support the amount of Jedi that are and will be on the severs eventually. Nothing. Don't bother looking for it, because it dosen't exist.
Also this game dose not need melee profs to be fun or to work if there where no melee profs in this game the game would have more balance. You forgot commando and Bounty hunter, Is there melee profs in battlefront, No there is not, is the game still fun, yes it is.
That works for Battlefront. This is a MMORPG. For a game like this to sustain life, their needs to be content, and vareity. Melee provides that.
There werent any crafters in Battlefront either. Shall we just run around in the same outfits, with the same weapons, and nearly unlimited ammo? That's what FPS's are for. MMO's are about sustained and lasting gameplay. Something that will keep people entertained and hooked for a long time. I don't know about you, but once I beat everything in Battlefront, the game started to get old. I know I wouldn't want to pay a monthly fee for that.
The only melle prof that should be in this game is TKA and they should be as rare as jedi and should be as hard to get.
Slarus wrote:
If there is plenty of content why did they have to add fabricated professions?
Look all I was saying is that Star Wars and Jedi are joined at the hip, not having Jedi in the ONLY MMORPG is marketing suicide. Jedi are the most prominent feature in Star Wars, Darth Vader, Luke, Yoda, Obi-Wan all Jedi the story in both trilogies revolves around the Jedi and thier role in the galaxy. Jedi can be in the game, the big problem with the illusion of being given all the updates is this, if every profession had one major problem Jedi would have 5, as Jedi is like 5 different professions, it's simple math. Also no other profession is so broke that itinhibits you from playing it except Jedi, no other professions bugs can result in losing XP, only Jedi. Not saying they aren't important, but your smuggler is not losing XP for a bug.
If we went by SW cannon, plain and simple there would be about 5-7 professions, period.
You say we'd be better without Jedi, tell me in a Star Wars game that is non-scripted does it really make sense that you can play a Bounty Hunter and not a Jedi as well? I mean really think on this.
I believe if you didn't know who was Jedi, we would not be arguing this point right now, you wouldn't care.
Fine then. Here is the deal. Push the timeline forward. Make it post ROTJ, where Luke set up his new Jedi Academy. Then, and only then, will I accept Jedi into this game.
I wanted to play in the Old Trilogy. I wanted to experience the war between the Rebellion and the Empire, (even if it means adding fabiracted professions) not the Jedioggoling and paranoiathat has plagued everyone since Darth Maul first activated his double bladed saber.
That works for Battlefront. This is a MMORPG. For a game like this to sustain life, their needs to be content, and vareity. Melee provides that.
There werent any crafters in Battlefront either. Shall we just run around in the same outfits, with the same weapons, and nearly unlimited ammo? That's what FPS's are for. MMO's are about sustained and lasting gameplay. Something that will keep people entertained and hooked for a long time. I don't know about you, but once I beat everything in Battlefront, the game started to get old. I know I wouldn't want to pay a monthly fee for that.
So your saying for the sake of game play we can add content that has ZERO basis, but we can't have content that has basis? How one sided is this? I agree Melee should be in, that IDs and Rangers, etc. I believe Jedi should be in as well, because I know we are in a game BASED on Star Wars and we don't need continuity police, because if we start doing that this game would be quite boring, you even professed that outside content was needed.
Fine then. Here is the deal. Push the timeline forward. Make it post ROTJ, where Luke set up his new Jedi Academy. Then, and only then, will I accept Jedi into this game.
I wanted to play in the Old Trilogy. I wanted to experience the war between the Rebellion and the Empire, (even if it means adding fabiracted professions) not the Jedioggoling and paranoiathat has plagued everyone since Darth Maul first activated his double bladed saber.
Your hung up on the term Jedi, how about this (They are unlikely to change the timeline so deal with it). These are not Jedi, they are force sensitives that have some Jedi training, they are not as good as the glory days of the Old Republic, in other words a real Jedi from Jedi Acedemy or from the Old Republic would wipe the walls with these Faux Jedi, it is also why they are fairly equal to other combat professions in PvP as we see in the game. They are not true Jedi, does that work?
Slarus wrote:
Let me clue you in on something here. These are what the respective trilogies are about.
Old Trilogy - The war between the Rebellion and the Empire. A young farmboy, who just happens to become a Jedi, and the redemption of his father, who was also a Jedi.
New Trilogy - The story about howAnakin Skywalkerbecomes Vader. From his origins as a slave on Tatooine, to his ascention to the Jedi ranks. (Ranks, as in many, many, Jedi)
Which trilogy is SWG in again?
Jedi didn't become the "in" thing until the New Trilogy, and games like KOTOR was released.
Instead of making this game as true to the Old Trilogy, while keeping some sense of vareity in the professions (IE: Melee) they buckled under the pressure and made something that was rare, readily, ablietdifficult, butattainable. If this game survives another year, a good 50% of the population will be Jedi. It seems like half the servers are in the Village as we speak.
Thatwill be aabomination and a mockery of what the Old Trilogy stood for.
QUOTAS dont work, you can have rare items, but rare player types is not fair, only powergamers can get it, you can't base it on anything tangible. If you base it on population, do you mean active or registered, how do you account for fluxuations in population based quotas. How do you give anyone who wants a Jedi a chance at playing a Jedi without steling thier hard work.
Stop thinking quotas for one second and think of this. Your in a Starport and see 50 players, if none of them have robes, lightsabers or a Jedi title, does it matter, can you tell how many are Jedi? Tis game is BASED, BASED on Star Wars, that doesn't mean they have to limit Jedi, wookies or anything.
Wookies are slaves and dont travel freely, the Empire sees them as animals, they don't wander are Corellia, but that's fine with you, Jedi are ruining the feel of the game all alone. Your argument is one sided. You want a Star Wars orignal feel, then everyone should play Human, and only 10% should be allowed alien players. Again you dont mention those aspects. Zabrek, well they only appeared in the new trilogy, so why have them, why allow them?
This is just an attack on Jedi nothing more.
No, no, and double no.
I am willing to stretch the limits a bit. I am willing to allow Wookies and Zabraks to be playable characters. I am willing to allow the Empire to have aleins in their ranks...etc...etc.
This wouldn't be a very dynamic or fun MMO without certain exceptions. There are going to be continunity issues all over the place. I understand that it can't follow directly the way the movies and EU worked in this time period.
But, he fact that something so rare, so powerful, so mysterious and wonderful like Jedi were botched to hell and introdouced in this timeline is beyond me.
I watched ESB in the theatre when I was 5 years old. I remember that day fondly.
This is not an attack on Jedi. This is me wanting to see my favorite movies of all time be treated with respect in the video game industry.
No, no, and double no.
I am willing to stretch the limits a bit. I am willing to allow Wookies and Zabraks to be playable characters. I am willing to allow the Empire to have aleins in their ranks...etc...etc.
First off this game was designed to make money not fulfill YOUR version of the game. Second we don't make the decsions, LA/SOE does, they felt that Jedi was good to have, dont like play Battlefront or Bounty Hunter. Third I don't see how adding fabericated professions and ignoring the stiffling of aliens as a stretch but Faux Jedi is too much, where is the line between too much and ok? That is where the problem is.
This wouldn't be a very dynamic or fun MMO without certain exceptions. There are going to be continunity issues all over the place. I understand that it can't follow directly the way the movies and EU worked in this time period.
And it wouldn't have the full SW experience without Jedi either, period. Jedi are one of the biggest parts of SW not an E-11 carbine or an AT-AT.
But, he fact that something so rare, so powerful, so mysterious and wonderful like Jedi were botched to hell and introdouced in this timeline is beyond me.
I watched ESB in the theatre when I was 5 years old. I remember that day fondly.
This is not an attack on Jedi. This is me wanting to see my favorite movies of all time be treated with respect in the video game industry.
Jedi in this game are not so powerful, they are fuax jedi, not true to the powerful gaurdians of the Old Republic, your hung up on the term Jedi and the appearent visability of them.
Slarus wrote:
No, no, and double no.
I am willing to stretch the limits a bit. I am willing to allow Wookies and Zabraks to be playable characters. I am willing to allow the Empire to have aleins in their ranks...etc...etc.
First off this game was designed to make money not fulfill YOUR version of the game. Second we don't make the decsions, LA/SOE does, they felt that Jedi was good to have, dont like play Battlefront or Bounty Hunter. Third I don't see how adding fabericated professions and ignoring the stiffling of aliens as a stretch but Faux Jedi is too much, where is the line between too much and ok? That is where the problem is.
This wouldn't be a very dynamic or fun MMO without certain exceptions. There are going to be continunity issues all over the place. I understand that it can't follow directly the way the movies and EU worked in this time period.
And it wouldn't have the full SW experience without Jedi either, period. Jedi are one of the biggest parts of SW not an E-11 carbine or an AT-AT.
But, he fact that something so rare, so powerful, so mysterious and wonderful like Jedi were botched to hell and introdouced in this timeline is beyond me.
I watched ESB in the theatre when I was 5 years old. I remember that day fondly.
This is not an attack on Jedi. This is me wanting to see my favorite movies of all time be treated with respect in the video game industry.
Jedi in this game are not so powerful, they are fuax jedi, not true to the powerful gaurdians of the Old Republic, your hung up on the term Jedi and the appearent visability of them.
