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Esharra wrote:We're shy?
Panthu wrote:
Esharra wrote:But not very well at all. In that session it took a novice entertainer fresh off the transport about 35 minutes to heal over 800 BF. We were collecting numbers on wound healing at the time so didn't record the BF info but we do remember commenting that it was over 800 when we started.
Aleyo wrote:
A Novice Entertainer can heal battle fatigue.You guys don't sound anything like Kirah and Roho! Or Ubi and Lei! Or any of the other Ent couples! I was in the same room with you two at Deila's chat and there was no snogging at all!
*is still in total shock*
Hahaha!
We were in 'work mode' at Deila's chat, Panthu. I'd already been too disruptive at the beginning of the chat also, so I was lying low.
There are plenty of venues at which you could find us that would cause you to take back your comments though
. Come see us dance on Chilastra sometime (at our wedding!)."shy"... /snicker
shadowdefender wrote:
Everyone will pick it up - to heal their own groups BF and no one will need us at all. As far as the mind buff - the players really don't need it - using brandy efficiently can keep your mind topped.
Actually, Battle Fatigue cannot be healed until the player enters the elite professions and spends skill points on the Fatigue Healing line. Non-elites cannot heal BF at all.
Mind buffs are also Elite Profession only.
The purpose of decreasing/eliminating skill point requirements for Novice Entertainer skill boxes would be to share social gameplay with other players who would otherwise not be able to express themselves in the way that we do through song and dance. (Or other tools, if given to us at some point in the future.)
shadowdefender wrote:
If we fall into the trap of letting our professions be worth zero skill points - the little amount of respect we have will also dwindle down to zero. As it is the power players already want the little that we can do in the game gone because it is an inconvenience to them.
Again, the non-social aspects of the profession could belong solely to the Elite professions, and be removed from Novice Profession skill boxes. (Healing, namely.)
Whether or not pre-combat interaction with that "power player" community is healthy for our social profession is up for debate as well. 
MyT_Chicken wrote:
I made my other one an entertainer, because I like to hear about the Action combat people are in. It makes for a very fun, entertaining, and exciting time when I play with my entertainer.
Are you sure about that? I mean 100% sure? Because I thought regular non-elite entertainers could heal BF just fine, just slowly.
Message Edited by picklesSW on 02-07-2005 03:43 PM
Message Edited by Schardour on 02-07-2005 03:51 PM
Schardour wrote:
MyT_Chicken wrote:
I made my other one an entertainer, because I like to hear about the Action combat people are in. It makes for a very fun, entertaining, and exciting time when I play with my entertainer.
Would this necessarily have to change, if other concessions were made to our profession, or another "draw" to the cantinas was provided?
No the social aspect probably wouldn't change, but I've always played a support role in this game. Being a Doctor almost from launch (with the exception of the 5 month prep time I took off to move servers), dabbling in dance/musician on other servers, picking up CM just for big group hunts. I've always liked being in the support professions for this game. If SOE took that aspect away from the Entertainers I would be very upset.
I didn't become an Entertainer to buff. I became an entertainer to support people and to hear about other peoples opinions and experiences, healing them, helping new people understand that AFK = Badfor all profession in this game.
I probably have a much different out look on things then most people here, but if I can't heal as an entertainer, then it's really not worth my time or energy to keep the toon. I don't need the Lots, I don't need another combat/support class toon. And I could save myself 15 bucks.
As a combat/support toon (Egri) I don't get the same experiences as I do when I play with my Entertainer (Iqi). Infact the two toons have totally seperate "lives". If SOE took that away with me, I would have no need to keep my entertainer around. Because he wouldn't "Do anything". And in my opinion that's just a waste of money. Being married (irl) I don't have the time to completely dedicate myself to 2 toons. It's hard enough getting to play one toon, dispite which aspect I would like to play (Combat or Entertainer).
Being an Entertainer gets me out of the groove of "Grind Grind Grind". I HATE being able to solo 95% of this game. Even though I don't plan or playto unlock my jedi, I still have to run missions to support my Doctor. And killing XXX all day long, without a group,isn't what I call "Fun".
Panthu wrote:
You guys don't sound anything like Kirah and Roho! Or Ubi and Lei! Or any of the other Ent couples! I was in the same room with you two at Deila's chat and there was no snogging at all!
*is still in total shock*
Good point. We should be keeping these things more separate. Deila, do you have any format in mind for discussions leading to the revamp?
Xyrdre wrote:
I'm sure that it's all going on behind closed doors. The occasional mistell tells the whole story there.
Heh..yeah..there's some stories there!
Also, let's all realize that discussions of having some other function in the game aside from buffing/healing of combat players is not tied to having 0 skill point costs. Not being slaves to the combat cycle does not mean that there couldn't be some other interdependent role that was completely worthy of skill point cost, and a stronger place in the economy and SWG environment. Let's not confuse that matter.
That's because there is only one Roho . . . . . . and he's all mine!!
Panthu wrote:
Esharra wrote:
But not very well at all. In that session it took a novice entertainerfresh off the transportabout 35 minutes to heal over 800 BF. We were collecting numbers on wound healing at the time so didn't record the BF infobut we do remember commenting that it was over 800 when we started.
Aleyo wrote:
A Novice Entertainer can heal battle fatigue.
You guys don't sound anything like Kirah and Roho! Or Ubi and Lei! Or any of the other Ent couples! I was in the same room with you two at Deila's chat and there was no snogging at all!
*is still in total shock*
Esharra wrote:
Good point. We should be keeping these things more separate. Deila, do you have any format in mind for discussions leading to the revamp?
Esharra wrote:
MyT_Chicken wrote:
So why are we even considering the possibility of just giving thatup? I really don't understand this.....
/endflail
Because a lot of us might be sick of our game play centering around providing services for an ungrateful and demanding lot of others when we really just want to dance?
We are having this discussion because discussion is where ideas are born. We have a revamp coming up, maybe as soon as six months from now. We are likely to have a lot of discussions between now and then and I'm sure there are many who are going to flail around & over-react to each of them as though they were the future of entertainers & etched in stone. Relax..open your mind and discuss. You don't like this idea? Post some of your own.
So dance.....You set the demand for people. Not the other way around. Let them cry and whine and send you hate tell. Report their stupid @sses, and move on.
I don't like this idea because after everything "we" (mostly everyone else)have put up with in this game, and are still trying to fix. It just seems to me that people are lookingfor an "easy way out".
There are so many awesome idea's on this forum on how to improve this profession, and it's really frustrating to see how people are so quick to just throw all of that away on a post like this.
I don't care what you or anyone else says. Entertainers are a valid profession that do provide a service for people, ungrateful or not people can't play very well with 1000bf. Playing a Master Doctor, how do you think I feel when people only look to me as "Oh you can buff uberest". I freakin hate it, and I'm not the only one. And I happen to buff for without 2100 without bivoli (which isD@mn good IMO), but omg if I don't use bivoli for that extra 250ish point my buffs aren't good enough. Because 250ish points makes such a huge difference when your fighting pikets and huurtons.
Heck pick up *any* crafting profession.....if it's not the best, it's not good enough no matter what you say or do. That in my opinion is far more "ungrateful and demanding" then some little punk saying "1 r h@x000r! 3u77 me." Tell them straight up to go away or just ignore them like many people do already. In my experience you make far better tips from the RP Community anyways. So even if you provide buffs ATK you gonna get what you ask them to pay.
Hopefully with this buff times cut in half patch coming up it will move people faster. That way we don't have to deal with them. Let the stupid AFKers buff people. Because if all many of you (like myself)wanna do is "Just dance" what does it matter.