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yes they approved it because Jedi had to be in the game because SOE put them in there in the first place, or started to. Really there has been so much time wasted on a class that shouldn't even be in this game.

Slarus your arguments are the same over and over again.
The Emperor is semi-omnipitent he sees everything in a blurred uncertain way. Did the fil Emnpire Strike go like this:

As Luke falls to the ground the blue form of Oni_wan Kenobi appears

Obi-Wan: Luke...
Luke: Ben?!
Obi-Wan: You must travel to coronet and speak to one of the many Jedi there who are training skills.
Luke: Ben?!

Obi-wan's ghost is dispelled by Han's appearance

NO!!!

It is vitaly important that they are removed, and for those who think they'd be missing out, move them to another all Jedi server, where everyone can be self-sufficient there.
I'm sick of seeing patches given to Jedi, what about us smugglers? I remember reading our supposed revamp was supposed to be patch 9, you know what happened in patch 9 for smugglers? We got nerfed again! Jedi are not Star Wars, Jedi are a part of it, it's like saying earth is the sky. I remember the original marketing campaign for SWG, was that you could play as a non-jedi player.


George Lucas does not verify anything he just sits in his room with heis wallet continuing to swell. Although I must say I love him for Star Wars.

I remember hearing that in Eu Han was slated to become a Jedi also. So although everyone seems to be FS doesn't mean they'e Jedi. In fact I much prefer to just be force sensitive than a full blown Jedi.

And I'm a smuggler who wants to be hunted by Bounty Hunters...

Them and IMperial agents.

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Leto_jr wrote:

ok true last couple of posts here..

ofcourse there are more forcesensitive characters in SW Trilogy, but we dont see them, cuz otherwise we would have each episode of SW 2 hours longer film.

the star wars movies not covering the whole universe and whats going on there.. so yes i believe there are more force sentive characters in that same timeset as where ANH, ESB and ROTJ is, after ROTJ Luke is on a mission for himself to find more.. and those he find didnt just born in ROTJ, but way before ESB even ANH..

so yes ok you guys made a point here.. but in SWG its need to be more packed up, more mysterious, more hidden, more dangerous. its too easy now for many players become Jedi. that profgrindin was totally lame-ass stupid! and its not that much any better, now its more like xp grinding with an ackward convert ratio.

cuz i think the ppl who Luke finds after ROTJ are affraid, anxious of what might could happen to them if they reveal themselves, so they keep themselves hidden.After all Darth Vader wants to kill all the Rebel and/or Light Side Jedi's. But when Luke find them, those forcesensitve chars trust Luke and know the Emperor and Darth Vader are dead.

ok lets keep that in mind and we could have a great discussion here.. still the main issue here of this thread is there has to be change many things in SWG. and hopefully George Lucas will interfere..

Message Edited by Leto_jr on 10-20-2004 04:39 AM

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No he won't and even if he did we would not be able to play as soe owns the code to this game so swg would be gone for 3-5 years, i do not want to see this game go away for that long and soe have done a good job.

One more thing you know there are alot of jedi around in this game guss what if lucas was in charge they would still be here in this time line as everything in this game has to get approved by GL and lucas arts.

They'd do it in a different way from SOE

I always think that setting an open ended game in a time when you already know what's going to happen is a foolish idea as it removes from any knowledge that the player is effecting their world.

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Balzan wrote:
They'd do it in a different way from SOE

I always think that setting an open ended game in a time when you already know what's going to happen is a foolish idea as it removes from any knowledge that the player is effecting their world.

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No mater how soe do if a player wants it he will get it and if they cap it then the ones that can not be them will ether go a BH to grief the few jedi players or they would just leave. Plus even if soe did it another way the people who do not want jedi in this game will still cry like babys.

I mean come on you won't alow jedi but you will alow doc (there where just med droids in the films) melee profs planets that are not even in the films and everything eles to do with EU.

Do you people just want a game based on the films if so there would be no profs other than storm trooper rebel, trooper, pilots smuglers and that would be it.

That's the most foolish, narrow minded opinion, I've read in 5 minutes

I don't want melee in the game either, it removes from the reality of Star Wars.

What is Star Wars a messy oil covered vision of what might be some where.

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Balzan wrote:
That's the most foolish, narrow minded opinion, I've read in 5 minutes

I don't want melee in the game either, it removes from the reality of Star Wars.

What is Star Wars a messy oil covered vision of what might be some where.

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How is it narrow minded there is so much hate for jedi you can not say there is not, also more people want to see jedi gone than they doo the melee profs and stuff like that.

The sad thing is that jedi is ment to be in this game and it is the sad jedi haters that are narrow minded not me.

Are there too many jedi well if you think about it no, why do i say that well if you take the population of the galaxy not just the people who play but every person in the star wars galaxy then the jedi pop is very very low. I mean there are what 200-400 jedi per sever that play right, what % of the pop do you think the jedi make?

I would make it about 0.01% of the people in star wars in this game are jedi.

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KzinKiller wrote:

3. Star Wars without Jedi is basically Generic Sci-Fi game #577

And Star Wars with ubiquitous Jedi is just a bad game.

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I don't much mind hidden jedi, but obvious ones, that's a bit much even though Jedi robes were what were all the fashion on Tatooine (look at Uncle Owen, and to a certain extent the dress of many of the civillians in the prequels.).

I was joking tbh

yes they approved it because Jedi had to be in the game because SOE put them in there in the first place, or started to. Really there has been so much time wasted on a class that shouldn't even be in this game.

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Slarus wrote:
yes they approved it because Jedi had to be in the game because SOE put them in there in the first place, or started to. Really there has been so much time wasted on a class that shouldn't even be in this game.

SOE cannot add new content without permission it would violate their contract, you are so wrong. You are clearly trying to throw blame completely on SOE. The game system bugs, that is SOEs fault, but content belongs to LA, so blame both SOE and LA on that.

Slarus your arguments are the same over and over again.
The Emperor is semi-omnipitent he sees everything in a blurred uncertain way. Did the fil Emnpire Strike go like this:

If he were omnipotent he would have seen his own death. Two this game is based on Star Wars including the expanded universe (seen Captain Thrawn, and Mara Jade they are EU) and in EU there are in fact more force users and Jedi trained ones at that, so again your wrong.

As Luke falls to the ground the blue form of Oni_wan Kenobi appears

Obi-Wan: Luke...
Luke: Ben?!
Obi-Wan: You must travel to coronet and speak to one of the many Jedi there who are training skills.
Luke: Ben?!

Obi-wan's ghost is dispelled by Han's appearance

I love this, and yet you completely miss what Obi-Wan says in the next movie about Luke's father "From a certain point of view" or in Episode 1 Yoda saying "The Dark side clouds, hard to see it is" or something to that effect. This stuff indicates that the force does not allow it's users omnipotence but gives them insight, meaning that the purge removed 99.99% of the force users and Jedi, but left that .01% which in a galaxy of trillions could means thousands scattered about the galaxy, but in an MMORPG you can't do quotas on playable characters, it doesn't work populations change to rapidly to be fair and accurate and once again quotas will only allow powergamers in to the profession only.

It is vitaly important that they are removed, and for those who think they'd be missing out, move them to another all Jedi server, where everyone can be self-sufficient there.
I'm sick of seeing patches given to Jedi, what about us smugglers? I remember reading our supposed revamp was supposed to be patch 9, you know what happened in patch 9 for smugglers? We got nerfed again! Jedi are not Star Wars, Jedi are a part of it, it's like saying earth is the sky. I remember the original marketing campaign for SWG, was that you could play as a non-jedi player.

It is not vitaly important, except to satify your hatred of the players who achieved Jedi status. Making an all Jedi server is equally not needed. These people have guilds, friends many picked the server they are on to be with these people, shunting them away because your confusing visability with exsistance is utterly rediculous. As for patches, well again your wrong, almost every patch has had bug fixes out side of Jedi. Lets look at Jedi Vs. Smuggler since that was your example. One, the Smuggler profession is one profession, Jedi is a conglomerate of 5 professions. If Smuggler had ONE major issue (That made the profession almost impossible to play) then by that account Jedi would have FIVE major issues. Two, Smuggler issues don't, repeat don't result in XP loss, Jedi do, it is the Devs fault for having an XP loss system in place as it makes Jedi issues higher priority, also being a multi-profession multiple that by five. I play a Smuggler, and while I feel the profession is lacking I can still XP, buy and sell things no major bugs that prevent me from PLAYING my Smuggler, the profession is just flat and not on par with others, sadly as priorities go it is not as bad as bugs that prevent you from playing, so it will take time. They have a new expansion coming, do you think that needs work? You bet it does. The game has been out a year few MMORPGs can claim this stability and complexity as SWG, your impatient and focusing your rage. If you can't handle a buggy MMORPG, cancel SWG and wait 2 years (Took EQ about 3-4 years and even after 5 there are still big issues) before playing, but stop the pointless hate baiting, cause that is all it is.

George Lucas does not verify anything he just sits in his room with heis wallet continuing to swell. Although I must say I love him for Star Wars.

If he doesn't HE, GEORGE LUCAS hired someone HE, GEORGE LUCAS trusts to make these decsions, SOE would violate thier licence by adding Star Wars content without permission, period end of debate on that. Don't polute peoples heads with outright fabrications, pick up a book and read copyright laws before lying to everyone SOE does not, DOES NOT own the Star Wars franchise, they REQUIRE permission to add content. They can recommand content at thier meetings (Read the typical day for a developer on the main site as he talks about this process) but LA has to approve it before they can put it on TCs even.

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normally I'd rebut but once again you are repeatinthe same arguments, and it is 2:15 AM here.
EU is in a place I'm not saying no FS in fact I've said FS is a good thing to have but no player Jedi. At least look from a RPing point of View most Jedi aren't intelligent wise calm people, genereally they're jerks unfortunately, though I have met some pretty cool ones.