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Balzan
Mon Oct 18, 2004 5:41 pm
#170
OOOps sorry double post
Message Edited by Balzan on 10-19-2004 10:42 AM
Slarus
Mon Oct 18, 2004 11:47 pm
#171
Yoda and Obi-Wan don't necessarily, but the Emperor is almost certain. The only reason Yoda was left alive was becuase he had escaped to Dagobah a planet known for it's Dark FOrce Power, so he was hidden. I don't know how he missed Obi-Wan however, something to do with Krayts if I recall correctly.
The Emperor wasn't omnipotent either. The fact of the matter is for the storyline of the movies all characters assumed all Jedi, but the characters outlined in the movies. were dead. In Eu there are many force users including Jedi trained, so right there is eveidence to support having Jedi, allowing them.
1. That argument makes no grammatical sense. I can assume you're saying that how can Star Wars Galaxies follow Star Wars continuity? This is simple, move it forward like 50 years in Star Wars time, then we can have a reason why there are so many Jedi. Really if you want something to be called Star Wars you have to stick by the continuity that was set by George Lucas, other wise it is just generic Sci-Fi game #577
Simple move it 50 years? Are you serious? Ok, do you know what "Based on" means? Do you realize SWG was and always will be "Based on" Star Wars. If your not sure what that means, read some history books on Pearl Harbor then watch the Movie "Pearl Harbor" which was "Based on" those events, that will give you the idea. Based on Star Wars is also why we have all those professions that have no basis in cannon. If you have a real hard time with this concept think of SWG as an alternate universe, then maybe the Jedi prejudise can go away.
2. Isn't that argument detrimental to your argument? If the Jedi are almost extinct doesn't that say something?
I'm not against FS in fact the idea of beign FS is cool, though being a Jedi is not.
2. Isn't that argument detrimental to your argument? If the Jedi are almost extinct doesn't that say something?
I'm not against FS in fact the idea of beign FS is cool, though being a Jedi is not.
In an MMORPG you can't simply assisgn quotas to what a Player can or can't play, it isn't practical in any sense, the populations shifts too much, it has no basis for fact, I mean Teras Kasi aren't as common per capita in EU as in SWG so should we nerf and quota them? QUOTAS dont work
3. Star Wars is not about Jedi, it is the battle between good and evil. Jedi were just a beacon used by Lucas to represent the best qualities of the Rebellion, while the Sith Vader was used to represent the worst parts of the Empire.
3. Star Wars is not about Jedi, it is the battle between good and evil. Jedi were just a beacon used by Lucas to represent the best qualities of the Rebellion, while the Sith Vader was used to represent the worst parts of the Empire.
You misunderstand yet again. Jedi are one of the most unique elements of Star Wars, being allowed to play it only makes sense, screw timeline or reality because non of those apply to an MMORPG, Quotas don't, banning them doesn't make sense marketing wise, so SOE/LA allow Jedi.
Bio-engineers definetly should be in the game, in fact they should suck up Image Designers skills. As that's really what they do and if you think about it, what are cloners, just your run of the mill doctors? Rangers they are a type of character in any type of environment, you wouldn't want to traverse Dathomir without a skilled trackers help (which reminds me they need to have group mask scent skill). In any society there will be people that modify how people look, your regular hair dresser is an Image Designer. A tatoo artist is a hair dresser, etc. I don't want any melee classes in the game. As they remove from the Star Warsiness, and I'll be happy when they're removed. I can have no logical problem with smugglers an slicing, it's their form of modifications made to things like their ships.
Bio-engineers definetly should be in the game, in fact they should suck up Image Designers skills. As that's really what they do and if you think about it, what are cloners, just your run of the mill doctors? Rangers they are a type of character in any type of environment, you wouldn't want to traverse Dathomir without a skilled trackers help (which reminds me they need to have group mask scent skill). In any society there will be people that modify how people look, your regular hair dresser is an Image Designer. A tatoo artist is a hair dresser, etc. I don't want any melee classes in the game. As they remove from the Star Warsiness, and I'll be happy when they're removed. I can have no logical problem with smugglers an slicing, it's their form of modifications made to things like their ships.
But without movie cannon you are only speculating as to there exsistance, we know Jedi exsist, we can watch them movie, but you don;t know if ANY of those professions I listed actually exsist as there is no reference to them.
I agree LA has the entire rights to the game most likely. Though the fact of the matter is that they aren't involved in every process that SOE does. You seem to have missed where I was going to I might not have stated in properly, but I'm pretty certain that SOE persuaded LA to allow Jedi in if they made the skills rare and difficult to find/master. I do not blame LA for the major cok-ups in SWG, I see wookiee armour as an important balancing issue, hopefully there will be no more armour wearing people at all in SWG after the combat rebalance.
LA owns the Star Wars title, the content and so forth. SOE owns the game system (I.e. how the HAM bars works and the professions work) the mechanics if you will. And if SOE was the party that proposed Jedi, LA still gave approval, LA made the final choice they control ALL aspects of content, SOE cannot implement any new content without permission, but can implement new code to the functionality of the game. Once you understand how game companies work and how rights are dispensed it is clear that if you hate Jedi blame LA for allowing them, dont kiss there a s s and believe they will make it better, THEY APPROVED IT!
I don't get why you keep saying Lucas wants something, Lucas Arts is the company that is involved, George Lucas has no involvment in SWG, of that I am certain, otherwise he'd want it destroyed.
I don't get why you keep saying Lucas wants something, Lucas Arts is the company that is involved, George Lucas has no involvment in SWG, of that I am certain, otherwise he'd want it destroyed.
Don't be so sure GL has nothing to do with it, and dont assume he would want it destroyed, after all he hasn't now has he? He owns the rights he can pull the plug, and he is known to be very observant of his licences. The other point is you have zero clue what goes on in his head and what he knows and doesn't. It is a fantasy to think there is a magic wand to make it better. The magic wand is time and constructive feedback, period.
Massadonious
Tue Oct 19, 2004 1:02 am
#172
Slarus wrote:
3. Star Wars without Jedi is basically Generic Sci-Fi game #577
I guess you missed the partswith Stormtroopers, Super Star Destroyers, X-Wings, Y-Wings, A-Wings, B-Wings, TIE Fighters, Grand Moff Tarkin,Ewoks, Jawas, Sand People, Rebels, Imperials, Han Solo, Princess Leia, Chewbacca, C-3PO, R2-D2, Jabba The Hutt, Bib Fortuna, Oola, the band at Jabba's palace, Gammoreans,Boba Fett, The Rancor, The Sarlaac, Lando Calrissian, his Sullstan co-pilot, Biggs, Wedge, TonTons, the Snow Creature, Snowspeeders, The Falcon, Banthas, AT-AT's, AT-ST's, E11 Carbines and Rifles, Dewbacks, Greedo, DL-44 pistols, Mos Eisley, The Death Star, Uncle Owen and Aunt Beru, X34 Speeders, Swoops, Speederbikes, Endor, Hoth, Bespin,Scout Troopers, Snow Troopers.
Oh yeah, then there's Jedi.
Message Edited by Massadonious on 10-19-2004 01:05 AM
BrotherDavius
Tue Oct 19, 2004 4:58 am
#173
Massadonious wrote:
Slarus wrote:
3. Star Wars without Jedi is basically Generic Sci-Fi game #577
I guess you missed the partswith Stormtroopers, Super Star Destroyers, X-Wings, Y-Wings, A-Wings, B-Wings, TIE Fighters, Grand Moff Tarkin,Ewoks, Jawas, Sand People, Rebels, Imperials, Han Solo, Princess Leia, Chewbacca, C-3PO, R2-D2, Jabba The Hutt, Bib Fortuna, Oola, the band at Jabba's palace, Gammoreans,Boba Fett, The Rancor, The Sarlaac, Lando Calrissian, his Sullstan co-pilot, Biggs, Wedge, TonTons, the Snow Creature, Snowspeeders, The Falcon, Banthas, AT-AT's, AT-ST's, E11 Carbines and Rifles, Dewbacks, Greedo, DL-44 pistols, Mos Eisley, The Death Star, Uncle Owen and Aunt Beru, X34 Speeders, Swoops, Speederbikes, Endor, Hoth, Bespin,Scout Troopers, Snow Troopers.
Oh yeah, then there's Jedi.
Message Edited by Massadonious on 10-19-2004 01:05 AM
Thats not the point and you know it, it would be like star trek but with no ships or superman with no powers all that stuff is important to star wars but then so is jedi, as for yoda know all the jedi where dead how? he could not even se palps for what he was, so how could he know they where all dead.
If you can not let jedi stay in this game then half the plnats would have to go some of the races would habe to go and some of the weapons and more than half the profs in this game would have to go as well, also most of the npc that we fight every day would have to go as well. Also you would have to force most players into being part of the empire as the rebels are ment to be out numbered.
I don't think that anyone would play a star wars game that had no freedom in it.
Slarus
Tue Oct 19, 2004 8:18 am
#174
I guess you missed the partswith Stormtroopers, Super Star Destroyers, X-Wings, Y-Wings, A-Wings, B-Wings, TIE Fighters, Grand Moff Tarkin,Ewoks, Jawas, Sand People, Rebels, Imperials, Han Solo, Princess Leia, Chewbacca, C-3PO, R2-D2, Jabba The Hutt, Bib Fortuna, Oola, the band at Jabba's palace, Gammoreans,Boba Fett, The Rancor, The Sarlaac, Lando Calrissian, his Sullstan co-pilot, Biggs, Wedge, TonTons, the Snow Creature, Snowspeeders, The Falcon, Banthas, AT-AT's, AT-ST's, E11 Carbines and Rifles, Dewbacks, Greedo, DL-44 pistols, Mos Eisley, The Death Star, Uncle Owen and Aunt Beru, X34 Speeders, Swoops, Speederbikes, Endor, Hoth, Bespin,Scout Troopers, Snow Troopers.
Oh yeah, then there's Jedi.
Nitpicky aren't we, but were not talking about equipment or NPCs, we are talking about player characters.
his Sullstan co-pilot Nein Nuub, not sure on the spelling but that is the name.
BrotherDavius
Tue Oct 19, 2004 9:03 am
#175
Also most of them things are in this game, apart from the ships and the people who are dead. If all them things can be in why not jedi?
Slarus wrote:
I guess you missed the partswith Stormtroopers, Super Star Destroyers, X-Wings, Y-Wings, A-Wings, B-Wings, TIE Fighters, Grand Moff Tarkin,Ewoks, Jawas, Sand People, Rebels, Imperials, Han Solo, Princess Leia, Chewbacca, C-3PO, R2-D2, Jabba The Hutt, Bib Fortuna, Oola, the band at Jabba's palace, Gammoreans,Boba Fett, The Rancor, The Sarlaac, Lando Calrissian, his Sullstan co-pilot, Biggs, Wedge, TonTons, the Snow Creature, Snowspeeders, The Falcon, Banthas, AT-AT's, AT-ST's, E11 Carbines and Rifles, Dewbacks, Greedo, DL-44 pistols, Mos Eisley, The Death Star, Uncle Owen and Aunt Beru, X34 Speeders, Swoops, Speederbikes, Endor, Hoth, Bespin,Scout Troopers, Snow Troopers.
Oh yeah, then there's Jedi.
Nitpicky aren't we, but were not talking about equipment or NPCs, we are talking about player characters.
his Sullstan co-pilot Nein Nuub, not sure on the spelling but that is the name.
mikemousy
Tue Oct 19, 2004 10:23 am
#176
TO ALL THE PEOPLE THAT WANT TO KEEP JEDIS IN THE GAME:
ill qoute one of the imperial senators on board of the deathstar (episode 4)
"the jedi are extinct, you are the only one left of them" (or something like that)
then vader kills obi-wan, wich means luke is the only jedi left (who is an apprentice)+ vader is the only dark jedi left (master)+ that the emperor is a powerfull force wielder (dont know rank probally master)= there are 3 jedi left and one is an apprentice
and i have seen a part of episode 5 and there were no jedis in them except for vader and luke
this is what lucas would probbalywant if he got in charge
p.s. this game would be alot better with more roleplayers and less force grinders 
Leto_jr
Tue Oct 19, 2004 1:28 pm
#177
i've read a few bigger post here and there in this thread.
ans how pity it is unfortunatly for the jedi-players, but i think its time, someone use a knife and cut through the game SWG. cuz SOE is only paying attention not to loose payers and so they try to make some uber leet game where little guys can show off how great and strong they are in a game like this.
well im an old die hard fan of star wars, specially the trilogy and if these rumors are true and LucasArts would take over and will make big changes to the population, he has my vote.
swg isnt anymore what it was intending to be.. look again to the trilogy .. where are the jedi's? only 3.., not 3000 jedi's on every galaxy..
but I really do believe this SWG game will still survive even all those players will leave cuz no one can becoming a jedi yet... thats only like maybe 5 % of total population.. there will come new players.. as alot players has no intention to become a jedi, cuz many jedi players are quitting cuz lack of content.
and thats what this game needs.. content.. GCW, profs improvement etc etc if SOE want to make big money, well they can pay attention to EQ1 & EQ2, just 2 hack&slash games.. and do like those games has alot of content, well hell no.. even WoW got more..
SWG is so unique in its kind, cuz of the timeset and all the different professions and houses, decoration etc.
sure its does need improvement, well thats what George has in mind too and so we need him.
oh hell how long do i have to go on continuing that SOE is actually destroying the game by making empty promises about profrevamps, gcw and so on..
still I say that SOE has done a nice job, making this game so far, but there has to be change something, cuz u shouldnt need to grind profs or xp for unlocking second slot to make a second character on the same server. Hell no.. not any other mmorpg has this..
and becoming force sensitive should be a very mysterious way of finding it, maybe even almost impossible.
just run this game for another year, so we come into the time after ROTJ, and then Luke is starting his journey to find players who are forcesensitive, players who were there from the very beginning of this game 16 months ago and still paying and playing the game, regardless the up & downs in the game..
there are so many threads about wishes and desperate calling for changing combatbalance, profrevamps and also GCW... but no.. every face is focussed on how to make as much money to make this game almost titled JEDI MIND WARS. not Star Wars Galaxies anymore.. its a shame.. a few boys crying they cannot be superb ingame, cuz they are in RL just little boys.. so SOE is changing it, just to keep those paying customers...
blah.. I hope there will be big differences and LucasArts will cut through this game, as it is really necessary!
no offend to SOE, cuz its a reall pain in the ass to keep running this game and be there 24/7 all the time to trying satisfy the players and be alert on technical problems etc.. They will get a feather from me still. But...
mikemousy
Tue Oct 19, 2004 1:31 pm
#178
they said the timeline is between:
A new hope (episode 4) and The empire strikes back (episode 5)
i saw a new hope 2 times and both obi-wan kenobi and the imperial high ranked guy both said that the jedi were extinct to obi-wan and vader, there might be alot force wielders but when you look at episode 5 there are no jedi's left (except for vader and luke)
Slarus
Tue Oct 19, 2004 3:59 pm
#179
they said the timeline is between:
A new hope (episode 4) and The empire strikes back (episode 5)
i saw a new hope 2 times and both obi-wan kenobi and the imperial high ranked guy both said that the jedi were extinct to obi-wan and vader, there might be alot force wielders but when you look at episode 5 there are no jedi's left (except for vader and luke)
Not Omnipotent. In the expanded universe which is part of SWG there are MANY other force users, some are even Jedi trained, Jedi are NOT Extinct it was a line based on the point of view of the characters, as SWG is only BASED on Star Wars, get it through your head, there are many profession which have ZERO credibility in Star Wars, but are included as an assumption dealing with the EU.
Many Jedi can exsist, this is a game BASED on not 100% required accuracy, learn this, it is the only fact on this false Jedi issue.
CitizenErased
Tue Oct 19, 2004 7:07 pm
#180
The Hologrind approved by Lucas, the Village approved by Lucas, the FRS approved by, yep Lucas.
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holo...grind... curse you lucas... CURSE YOU!!! 
Message Edited by CitizenErased on 10-19-2004 09:09 PM
Slarus
Wed Oct 20, 2004 12:25 am
#181
TO ALL THE PEOPLE THAT WANT TO KEEP JEDIS IN THE GAME:
ill qoute one of the imperial senators on board of the deathstar (episode 4)
"the jedi are extinct, you are the only one left of them" (or something like that)
then vader kills obi-wan, wich means luke is the only jedi left (who is an apprentice)+ vader is the only dark jedi left (master)+ that the emperor is a powerfull force wielder (dont know rank probally master)= there are 3 jedi left and one is an apprentice
and i have seen a part of episode 5 and there were no jedis in them except for vader and luke
this is what lucas would probbalywant if he got in charge
p.s. this game would be alot better with more roleplayers and less force grinders
And all of them are omnipotent? I dont think so. Lucas is in charge he bottom lines licences, he has people who are in charge of making things his way. Your trying to seperate Lucas so you can claim this to be SOEs fault, JEDI are not the only problem, they should be allowed this game is only BASED on Star Wars which is why we have FABRICATED professions that are not cannon and content that does not follow timeline, once you get that through your skull you really will feel better.
BrotherDavius
Wed Oct 20, 2004 4:26 am
#182
mikemousy wrote:
they said the timeline is between:
A new hope (episode 4) and The empire strikes back (episode 5)
i saw a new hope 2 times and both obi-wan kenobi and the imperial high ranked guy both said that the jedi were extinct to obi-wan and vader, there might be alot force wielders but when you look at episode 5 there are no jedi's left (except for vader and luke)
The jedi order may be gone but there are still jedi around. Take jedi academy the person you play in it makes his own light saber before even being in the academy. Not all the jedi even yoda know everything that is going on, you see this game is based on star wars that means it is based on everything to do with star wars not just the films.
True there are alot of force wielders around but what is stoping them from becoming jedi?