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Thread: Tie's have no hyperdrive
ASHRID wrote:
Ok the tie cut-away is up at the following address:
http://freespace.virgin.net/ash.ridley/tie.jpg
Have a look at it and tell me where you propose to put hyperdrive and shields?
The main point being - sure the devs need to make the ships balanced, but I dont see how they can do that without changing how the TIE fighter looks, and once you do that its not a TIE fighter anymore (and they may as well just saved themselves the hassle and called it the TIE scout)
Message Edited by ASHRID on 05-20-2004 06:26 PM
Very nice ASHRID, that right there is proff enough that ties dont have room lol. And also, good post RAZ, thanks for using some of my stuf to back you up
HelRayzer wrote:
tell you what Metroid, it wasn't worth mentioning before but I can send you a copy of my Bachelor's degree in Aerospace Engineering if you would like. If you would wait about 2 months, I can fax you over myMaster's degree too.
Feel free, email it to [email protected] - I'll post it on my website.
Because, people like to complain about anything they can. I'm sorry, but there are allot more things in the JTL VIDEOS that you could complain about breaking continuity. For example, am I the only person who noticed the blasters on fighters fire all at once? They don't chain.
They may be the dumbest thing you have said so far, but the jury is still out, and you continually to post and make an ass out of yourself (Random name calling 1). Other people have stated you are very wrong, but lasers could be fired duel, linked, or quad. Pick up the X-Wing series.
Prove it, please. The devs, and every single E3 interview and video has not mentioned once that you can change from duel, linked or quad. They all fire at the same time. If you've seen otherwise, or have ANY EVIDENCE otherwise, PLEASE, feel free to post it. You don't, because before this thread even started I looked for a confirmation on this 'feature' in hopes they'd leave it in. I imagine they aren't because it would lag allot if everyone in a sector switched to chain.
You say a TIE fighters engines/hull couldn't support a hyperdrive. This is based on your VAST expertise on space flight, obviously.
Yes I happen to know a little about this. But check out this link for the weight breakdiwn for our Space Shuttle
www.spacecoretech.org/coretech2000/Papers/Systems/recover%20reuseable%20launch%20vehicles.html
Fantastical, next time IRL physics apply to Starwars I'll get back to you, but atm they don't. Good try though.
Logically, by this ACCEPTANCE of continuity, you could also accept that its possible for a TIE to support anything, even a DEATHSTAR LASER!
You keep floating this word logic around. How are you showing any logic? That is just stupid and you are stupid (this is starting to not look so random is it Metroid?)
Your showing less then I am friend, and that makes me more logical then you, no?
lol yeah but, my point is.. no one here has any idea what the energy usage of a hyperdrive is.
Yeah well I will concede a little on this one.
Thanks, it's about time one of you freaks conceded.
Prove it. Last time I watched the movies, the Tie fighters had plenty of headroom.
Headroom is different from "space in the cockpit". I am not talking about headroom, i amd talking about the space he had in the cockpit. He couldnt turn around, and to get out he pulls down a latter directly above him and climbs out. Find a picture of a TIE cockpit if u want proff.
Someone said they didn't have room to move their head, I saw plenty of headroom. Why you people keep changing your arguements I'll never know, but that's how you "win" in your mind, so feel free. You can't prove a TIE fighter doesn't have the room for a Hyperdrive anymore then I can prove the size of a Hyperdrive needed to make a TIE jump.
I agree with Enter-The-Wookie here. I don't need to add anything to this, other then Metroid you are an idiot. (it is so nice calling people names isn't it Metroid).
Sure is, so I reitterate, you people are easily the most block headed people I've ever had the displeasure of conversing with. All of his "evidence" proved nothing, yet you fail to see that, too.
Another good post from Enter-The-Wookie that proves you are an idiot Metroid.
Yep, a post that proved everyone else right and you idiots wrong. It clearly says they omitted the components to make it lighter- Does it say they couldn't have added it if they wanted? No, it doesn't. If you had any shred of logic in your head you'd realize, they can't omitt something that couldn't be put in to begin with.
I agree and all my posts have addressed that exact issue. Did you only have spelling class in grade school, and skipped the reading lessons.(I am actually getting tired of the name calling now)
Your posts argue that you want Continuity in game, at all cost of 'enjoyment'. And I still call you a fool. ^_^
Yeah we understand the DEV's are putting HD's in TIE's. That's why we started this thread.
According to wookie he started posting becuase in Starwars TIE's can't have hyperdrive, not because they shouldn't in this game. So which is it, hmm? Or are you both? I'm posting because the Dev's of SW:G have a tendency to listen to the constant WHINING provided by the rebels in this game, and you guys just keep proving it over and over again.
Sure the TIE can generate lift. It has horizontal wings.
This has to be the single stupidest thing you've said in the thread. I'm waiting on that Bachelor's degree, fyi, as I said earlier, feel free to send it to [email protected] - After this comment I fail to see how you made it out of physics.
So Metroid like I said, I could rip you up all day,
And still accomplish absolutely nothing, because just like your friend wookie, have provided no evidence whatsoever that a TIE couldn't support a hyperdrive.
AboveTopSecret wrote:
Hmm...If I am correct TIE's with a hyperdrive have been used in some of the books, comics and at least one game. The reasons I picked up on that the empire doesnt use hyperdrives on TIE's are as follows. They go through many tie fighters so to cut costs and defections and to keep control of them they deliberatly left them off. Plus they were expendable including the pilots. Some did have them however. Vader's TIE even though it was advanced had one but was damaged from the Death Star encounter. Some of the interceptors had them and I believe some of the cloaking defenders had them.
Again with the stupid arguing metroid? You have no proff to back up the "logic" you seem to belive you have in your head.
http://freespace.virgin.net/ash.ridley/tie.jpg
Look at that picture, take a good close look. You tell me if he had enough "head room" and exactly where you would put the hyper drice subsystem, and generator? Tell us if you can, explain in detail, and dont give us another one of your moronic "Nice try" replys. You are convicing no one that you are right, now actually try to prove something before your next post will you?
EnterTheWookie wrote:
Again with the stupid arguing metroid? You have no proff to back up the "logic" you seem to belive you have in your head.
http://freespace.virgin.net/ash.ridley/tie.jpg
Look at that picture, take a good close look. You tell me if he had enough "head room" and exactly where you would put the hyper drice subsystem, and generator? Tell us if you can, explain in detail, and dont give us another one of your moronic "Nice try" replys. You are convicing no one that you are right, now actually try to prove something before your next post will you?
Yep.. How large is a Hyperdrive required to make a TIE Jump?
Hm?
Metroid wrote:
EnterTheWookie wrote:
Again with the stupid arguing metroid? You have no proff to back up the "logic" you seem to belive you have in your head.
http://freespace.virgin.net/ash.ridley/tie.jpg
Look at that picture, take a good close look. You tell me if he had enough "head room" and exactly where you would put the hyper drice subsystem, and generator? Tell us if you can, explain in detail, and dont give us another one of your moronic "Nice try" replys. You are convicing no one that you are right, now actually try to prove something before your next post will you?
Yep.. How large is a Hyperdrive required to make a TIE Jump?
Hm?
According the books of vehicals, which show the inside layout of star fighters, and of course the x-wing series, the tie would have to have an aditional section attached to the back of the cockpit in order to make room for the hyperspace system and geneator, the hyperdrive itself would have to be attacthed to the outside in a outward section (think the back of a tie defender for a picture). So it wouldnt be an origonal TIE anymore now would it.
EnterTheWookie wrote:
Metroid wrote:
EnterTheWookie wrote:
Again with the stupid arguing metroid? You have no proff to back up the "logic" you seem to belive you have in your head.
http://freespace.virgin.net/ash.ridley/tie.jpg
Look at that picture, take a good close look. You tell me if he had enough "head room" and exactly where you would put the hyper drice subsystem, and generator? Tell us if you can, explain in detail, and dont give us another one of your moronic "Nice try" replys. You are convicing no one that you are right, now actually try to prove something before your next post will you?
Yep.. How large is a Hyperdrive required to make a TIE Jump?
Hm?
According the books of vehicals,
Blah blah blah, how large is the hyperdrive required to make a TIE Jump?
I know you don't know, keep trying though.
EnterTheWookie wrote:
Oh btw, you still need to explain how you belive a hyperdrive generator, its sub systems, the computer for it, and hyperdrive itself be cramed in that little ball without changing its basic deisgn which would change it from a tie fighter to something eles.
Easy, it's small. You put it in a little 1x1 foot box and gloue it to the hull.
Oh wait, your gonna argue it wont fit in a 1x1 foot box right? ok.. how large IS a Hyperdrive generator needed for a TIE fighter?
Still waiting, wookie... still waiting.
Metroid wrote:
EnterTheWookie wrote:
Oh btw, you still need to explain how you belive a hyperdrive generator, its sub systems, the computer for it, and hyperdrive itself be cramed in that little ball without changing its basic deisgn which would change it from a tie fighter to something eles.
Easy, it's small. You put it in a little 1x1 foot box and gloue it to the hull.
Oh wait, your gonna argue it wont fit in a 1x1 foot box right? ok.. how large IS a Hyperdrive generator needed for a TIE fighter?
Still waiting, wookie... still waiting.
Im surprised you think a hyperdrive can fit in such a small box metroid, im even more surprised that you think a generator can fit in that small pod.
You want an example of a hyperdrive generator? Watch episode 1 again where obi-wan is inspecting the hyperdrive generator. That is about the same size generator that would be used in a star ship. Note that he is taller then the generator, so its not that big. That could not fit in a TIE fighter. It could however fit in a tie defender, if you would rember how a tie defender/vaders tie looked. It had the back peice behind the cockpit ball, which housed the generator and the drive itself. Those things can fit into x-wings and a-wings and y-wings and b-wings because those ships have extra space for it. TIEs (normal and intercepters) do not.
Now go ahead and tell me how to put one of those in without changing theTIE into something different? Oh yeah, one more thing, a 1x1 box couldnt fit behind the pilot chair either.
EnterTheWookie wrote:
Metroid wrote:
EnterTheWookie wrote:
Oh btw, you still need to explain how you belive a hyperdrive generator, its sub systems, the computer for it, and hyperdrive itself be cramed in that little ball without changing its basic deisgn which would change it from a tie fighter to something eles.
Easy, it's small. You put it in a little 1x1 foot box and gloue it to the hull.
Oh wait, your gonna argue it wont fit in a 1x1 foot box right? ok.. how large IS a Hyperdrive generator needed for a TIE fighter?
Still waiting, wookie... still waiting.
Im surprised you think a hyperdrive can fit in such a small box metroid, im even more surprised that you think a generator can fit in that small pod.
You want an example of a hyperdrive generator? Watch episode 1 again where obi-wan is inspecting the hyperdrive generator. That is about the same size generator that would be used in a star ship. Note that he is taller then the generator, so its not that big. That could not fit in a TIE fighter. It could however fit in a tie defender, if you would rember how a tie defender/vaders tie looked. It had the back peice behind the cockpit ball, which housed the generator and the drive itself. Those things can fit into x-wings and a-wings and y-wings and b-wings because those ships have extra space for it. TIEs (normal and intercepters) do not.
Now go ahead and tell me how to put one of those in without changing theTIE into something different? Oh yeah, one more thing, a 1x1 box couldnt fit behind the pilot chair either.
So your saying an X-Wing's hyper drive is that big, too?
That hyperdrive is for a ship 8x the size of a TIE fighter, and its barely shorter then he is. Cut it down about 8x and we'll have a CLOSE APPROXIMATION of a hyperdrive for a starfighter.
How stupid are you? Seriously? Why do you even try?
I reitterate, please, provide evidence of the size of a hyperdrive for a TIE fighter. You can't prove it, your just using speculation, really stupid speculation I might add.
Metroid wrote:
EnterTheWookie wrote:
Metroid wrote:
EnterTheWookie wrote:
Oh btw, you still need to explain how you belive a hyperdrive generator, its sub systems, the computer for it, and hyperdrive itself be cramed in that little ball without changing its basic deisgn which would change it from a tie fighter to something eles.
Easy, it's small. You put it in a little 1x1 foot box and gloue it to the hull.
Oh wait, your gonna argue it wont fit in a 1x1 foot box right? ok.. how large IS a Hyperdrive generator needed for a TIE fighter?
Still waiting, wookie... still waiting.
Im surprised you think a hyperdrive can fit in such a small box metroid, im even more surprised that you think a generator can fit in that small pod.
You want an example of a hyperdrive generator? Watch episode 1 again where obi-wan is inspecting the hyperdrive generator. That is about the same size generator that would be used in a star ship. Note that he is taller then the generator, so its not that big. That could not fit in a TIE fighter. It could however fit in a tie defender, if you would rember how a tie defender/vaders tie looked. It had the back peice behind the cockpit ball, which housed the generator and the drive itself. Those things can fit into x-wings and a-wings and y-wings and b-wings because those ships have extra space for it. TIEs (normal and intercepters) do not.
Now go ahead and tell me how to put one of those in without changing theTIE into something different? Oh yeah, one more thing, a 1x1 box couldnt fit behind the pilot chair either.
So your saying an X-Wing's hyper drive is that big, too?
That hyperdrive is for a ship 8x the size of a TIE fighter, and its barely shorter then he is. Cut it down about 8x and we'll have a CLOSE APPROXIMATION of a hyperdrive for a starfighter.
How stupid are you? Seriously? Why do you even try?
I reitterate, please, provide evidence of the size of a hyperdrive for a TIE fighter. You can't prove it, your just using speculation, really stupid speculation I might add.
Say what you want then. You are apparently blind to any form of sense but your own. You asked for an example and i gave you one. I repeat that statment that ALL ships with hyperdrives have SPACE in there ship (like the elongated hull of vaders tie) to house a hyperdrive. The TIE fighter does not. Say u do decrease that size by 8. The cockpit of a TIE is still cramped, the generator itself could not fit inside the cockpit, but say you did manage to cram it in, where would u put the hyperdrive itself? Notice that all ships with hyperdrives have there hyperdrives inside the ship, not on the outside. Admit it metroid, u cant instal a hyperdrive and its generator without modifing the look of the TIE. Admit it. You know im right, not even you could be that blind.