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ArjunThakur wrote:

2. Remove FRS XP for normal overts

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ArjunThakur wrote:

Ok we all know this is a problem. Right now we are getting about 50-100 FRS XP for a standard overt, and between 300-500 for a ranked Jedi.

This makes it very worthwhile to hunt down any overt you can find as tracking down and actually finishing off a ranked Jedi can be extremely hard....especially if they just run.

So what we have are a lot of Overt GCW players complaining about Jedi griefing, and Jedi defending themselves saying that the reward for killing another ranked Jedi just doesn't justify NOT hunting other overts.

In addition coverts are giving -1 FRS XP, so many players just stay covert and abuse the GTEF to make sure Jedi have no way to earn FRS XP.

So lets work up a proposal....from Chianti and several other posters this is what I have:

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The problem is that you are only trying to fix the symptoms but the not the real core problems. The whole FRS is absolutely impossible to complete. You need a total of 1.48 million XP so you are looking at a theoretical 2-3 year grind before you could see the first council leader, but its just technically not possible. You can never find the amount of players a day to get that XP. I predicted that shortly after TC 2 went up, I talked about it with QA, but nothing happened.

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1. Increase the Jedi vs. Jedi FRS XP by a factor of 5 making Jedi vs. Jedi very desirable

• This will most likely increase the pace at which Jedi fill the ranks, but will give focus to Jedi vs. Jedi fighting and allow the challenge systems to act as the stopgaps like they should be....not just a pure lack of FRS XP.

There are simply not enough Jedi in the FRS. You can not base the XP requirement on killing other Jedi when there are barely any people to kill.

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2. Remove FRS XP for normal overts

Again, there are not enough Jedi to kill, where should the XP come from. All the current issues from non-FS people come from the fact that the XP requirements are so ridiculously high and the granted XP is so low. Thats why Jedi camp overts to squeeze every last point of XP out of them and thats why people kill their own friends and guild members.

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3.Increase the penalty for dying to an Overt by a factor of 5

• This will encourage players hunting Jedi to go Overt, and discourage casual "griefing" of starports and other high profile areas by Jedi

So you want "serious griefing" instead? This would be a horrible implementation.

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4. Remove the FRS XP penalty vs. Coverts

This will discourage players from abusing the group TEF bug and encourage more Overt play

• This will also fix the bug where Coverts with a TEF can grant Jedi FRS XP

Sounds good

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5. Change Force Run to be a Force over time based skill....i.e. it uses5-10 force per second...which is not crippling but also would prevent a Jedi with 0 force pool from running indefinately.

No, again you are only fighting the symptom not the core problem.People flocked to force run because the defense tree is not viable. If people could actually defend properly they had no reason to run. But they can't. According to TH we have some innate defenses against melee attacks, so we don't need a boost there, but well, thats a TH comment. You know how to take those. A few experienced melee PVPer can defeat a Jedi, so he will run instead.

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6. Make Force Choke cancel Force Run

• This would prevent Jedi from fleeing any battle at anytime and make the Force Power tree more desirable (yes I know it needs a lot more help than this)
  

  
  

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The wielder tree is another big discussion..... But I like that idea.

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• Melee defense/Ranged defense


• Improved force armor/shields


• Greater or Faster healing power.


• New Skills?

• Saber Damage Mods.


• Saber Speed Mods.


• Offensive power damage mods such as lightning.


• New skills?

Alight jedi at Rank 1 should have an equal chance of defeating a Rank 1 dark jedi and visa versa.

But a light jedi at Rank 2 should have a better chance at defeating a Rank 1 Dark jedi and visa versa.

Message Edited by Djferio on 07-10-2004 01:25 AM

When it succesfully hits a target he cannot run for a certain amount of time?

Message Edited by Djferio on 07-10-2004 12:59 AM

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ArjunThakur wrote:

Ok we all know this is a problem. Right now we are getting about 50-100 FRS XP for a standard overt, and between 300-500 for a ranked Jedi.

This makes it very worthwhile to hunt down any overt you can find as tracking down and actually finishing off a ranked Jedi can be extremely hard....especially if they just run.

So what we have are a lot of Overt GCW players complaining about Jedi griefing, and Jedi defending themselves saying that the reward for killing another ranked Jedi just doesn't justify NOT hunting other overts.

In addition coverts are giving -1 FRS XP, so many players just stay covert and abuse the GTEF to make sure Jedi have no way to earn FRS XP.

So lets work up a proposal....from Chianti and several other posters this is what I have:

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1. Increase the Jedi vs. Jedi FRS XP by a factor of 5 making Jedi vs. Jedi very desirable

• This will most likely increase the pace at which Jedi fill the ranks, but will give focus to Jedi vs. Jedi fighting and allow the challenge systems to act as the stopgaps like they should be....not just a pure lack of FRS XP.

Increase by 5 is too much. Increase by double would be fine.

2. Remove FRS XP for normal overts

This is the worst idea I've ever seen. Remove all incentive to attack overts, yet overts can gang up and gank us? What kind of crap is this.

Let me clue you all in, whiners. It's a LOT easier to make us run, or even kill us then pre-patch. Stop whining about being overt. Half the time you noobs are unbuffed overt anyway - what do you expect?

3.Increase the penalty for dying to an Overt by a factor of 5

• This will encourage players hunting Jedi to go Overt, and discourage casual "griefing" of starports and other high profile areas by Jedi

I take the above statement. THIS is the worst idea I've ever seen. Lets give normal overts all the cards in the deck. They all gang gank us, and we get absolutely nothing for defending ourselves. Ahhh thanks but no thanks. How could you let this idea get past you Arjun? Are you kidding me?

I'd quit my Jedi before I saw this go live.

4. Remove the FRS XP penalty vs. Coverts

• This will discourage players from abusing the group TEF bug and encourage more Overt play
  
• This will also fix the bug where Coverts with a TEF can grant Jedi FRS XP

Completely agree.

5. Change Force Run to be a Force over time based skill....i.e. it uses5-10 force per second...which is not crippling but also would prevent a Jedi with 0 force pool from running indefinately.

Not sure about this one. I mean, Force Run 2 (which is what Force Run 3 now) has been around forever. Only now its being cried about because not everyone can have it now. I can't believe you are buying into this one either, Arjun.

6. Make Force Choke cancel Force Run

• This would prevent Jedi from fleeing any battle at anytime and make the Force Power tree more desirable (yes I know it needs a lot more help than this)

I do definitely agree with this. There needs to be some sort of well thought of incentive to Master Force Powers. Perhaps this is it, perhaps it isn't, but conceptually I completely agree.

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waaha wrote:

A few of those ideas look like someones template needs to adjust to catch force runners and wants his force choke to stop them, we need changes that benefit the profession as a whole, not to benefit one jedi who during testing had more skill points to test then anyone else, yet still hasnt posted a single thing on his findings,

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Actually it was orignally suggested (I hadn't seen it anywhere else) in this thread:

http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=jedi&message.id=450670

It was suggested that a master wielder ability should stop force run then I suggested force choke should imobilize people. I do not even have novice weilder, but I do intend to master it just for a more Jedi-like feal. Thusly said this idea has nothing to do with people having chosen the wrong template.

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Jhahadir wrote:

5. Change Force Run to be a Force over time based skill....i.e. it uses5-10 force per second...which is not crippling but also would prevent a Jedi with 0 force pool from running indefinately.

No

6. Make Force Choke cancel Force Run

Only if it's forcechoke3, but the other Jedi should still have the option to engage forcerun1,2,3 immediately again provided they still have the force pool for it.

Alteran Chase

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Force Choke 3? Perhaps you are confused, there is only one force choke and it's found at master weilder. As far as engaging it immediately after are you refering to imediately after the choke ends or imediately after it stops the force run? I don't think it should be used again until the choke is done. Enhancers will just have to find the escape window. If you mess up and die because you missed the window, guess what, people die in PvP from making little mistakes all the time. It should be no different with Jedi vs Jedi combat.

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1. Increase the Jedi vs. Jedi FRS XP by a factor of 5 making Jedi vs. Jedi very desirable

AGREE

2. Remove FRS XP for normal overts

DISAGREE

3.Increase the penalty for dying to an Overt by a factor of 5

DISAGREE

4. Remove the FRS XP penalty vs. Coverts

AGREE

5. Change Force Run to be a Force over time based skill....i.e. it uses5-10 force per second...which is not crippling but also would prevent a Jedi with 0 force pool from running indefinately.

DISAGREE

6. Make Force Choke cancel Force Run
AGREE

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Jwmc4 wrote:

PLEASE

concider a way to give light knights a way to exp other than forced pvp for FRS exp

perhaps if we had to travel to all rebel towns and vote in thier mayor elections or some thing i dunno just threw that out there...

allow djk to duel each other for thier frs exp

this is the fastest easiest way to solve all problems

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YES - Light Jedi DO NOT SEEK CONFLICT 24/7. This is just PLAIN stupid. Give us some other way to level, as per my proposal earlier. Dark Jedi fight each other - Dog eat Dog. Each other - not every overt in the galaxy. And the very idea of Light jedi traveling, SEARCHING for overts an conflict IS JUST PLAIN IDIOTIC. IT isn't STARWARS.

Message Edited by KyleKnox on 07-09-2004 05:12 PM