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Slarus wrote:

I wouldn't call JTL half-ready or anything. They have been super responsive to bugs and such.

As to guild members that quit ..what are the "game breaking bugs" I keep hearing about because I've found more bugs with Windows XP than Galaxies but I'm a crafter

The game breaking bugs that most people here (Powergamers) complain about is that the content is easy to beat. These are the problems:

1. Anyone can master any elite profession in a reasonable amount of time.

2. Anyone can become Jedi.

3. Anyone can take on almost anything solo.

In almost every other game only the Powergamers can do things like this, because only they can devote the time and energy to obtaining rare items and special content. This game and City of Heroes seem to be the only MMOPRGs that don't promote elitism. It does also mean that those above the casual gamer will run out of new content quicker then they can get out expansions, but powergamers tend to run out of content in 3-6 months regardless of the game.

The game has problems, sadly what the combat revamp will do if I understand it correctly, is SWG will be home to elitism again, the average player will be stuck in a tedious grind with only those elites being able to participate fully. I for one like that any player can get anything they want in a game, I will hate going from being able to kill rancors to struggling with bunnies after the combat revamp, but powergamers are the most vocal player and every game bows to them sooner or later.

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What I don't hear a lot of "powergamers" describe is what content they contribute that's Star Wars related. Becoming an elite profession is only the start.

Not sure if it's true or not, but the "Official" Jump to Lightspeed site is at Lucasarts, not SOE

http://www.lucasarts.com/products/galaxies/main.html#jtlHome_welcome

SOE were the ones that wanted Jedi in SWG in the first place Lucas Arts didn't want them...

Lucas Arts only job is making certan artisitic things go through SWG. They have no control over the actual system that SOE sets up. If they have any control it's basically just a memo...

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Balzan wrote:
SOE were the ones that wanted Jedi in SWG in the first place Lucas Arts didn't want them...

Lucas Arts only job is making certan artisitic things go through SWG. They have no control over the actual system that SOE sets up. If they have any control it's basically just a memo...

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You are so wrong that it is funny, anything to do with star wars Lucas has the rights to it, SOE make a game based on star wars so if they want wookie armor they have to ask Lucas if its ok, if they want to put people in from the films or eu then they would have to ask Lucas. You see where i am going with this why would jedi be any differant.

Also how do you know if Lucas wants jedi in SWG or not are you him or do you know him?

The fact that jedi are in this game means that Lucas must want them in as they are the once that own star wars and everything that it contains.

3. Star Wars without Jedi is basically Generic Sci-Fi game #577

And Star Wars with ubiquitous Jedi is just a bad game.

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The Jedi shouldn't be here argument never proves anything cause once again you attack Jedi who are bonafide cannon but ignore: Rangers, Bio-engineers, Image Desingers, Fencers, Swordsman, Creature handlers, Smugglers (With Slicing as the term was never used) just to name a few.

Not one of those professions are cannon, and have LESS right to be in SWG then Jedi, Jedi are rare, these dont exsist. You just hate Jedi is all.

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Want to play that card? I see nothing in the movies about mission terminals,comp armor,player cities,etc. Stuff has to be put into the game to make it complete, Jedi does NOT have to be in the game to make it complete.

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MorpheusArgus wrote:

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The Jedi shouldn't be here argument never proves anything cause once again you attack Jedi who are bonafide cannon but ignore: Rangers, Bio-engineers, Image Desingers, Fencers, Swordsman, Creature handlers, Smugglers (With Slicing as the term was never used) just to name a few.

Not one of those professions are cannon, and have LESS right to be in SWG then Jedi, Jedi are rare, these dont exsist. You just hate Jedi is all.

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Want to play that card? I see nothing in the movies about mission terminals,comp armor,player cities,etc. Stuff has to be put into the game to make it complete, Jedi does NOT have to be in the game to make it complete.

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Says you, you might not want to be a jedi but what about the people who do and no don't say "if you want to be a jedi go play jedi acadmey or kotor" as they are very differant games. It is like saying to a roleplayer, if you want to be a storm trooper go play battlefront.

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Slarus wrote:

No I wasn't kidding. Lucas Arts has ultimate control over the game, but they aren't involved in every little bit of development, they're only involved in big desicions like Wookie armour.

If I could find the development post that said something about it I'd quote it. Basically all Lucas Arts does is sit back and approve things in development.

Jedi should not be in this era of Star Wars, purely and simply, what should

Wookie Armor big decsion, Jedi small? Ok besides this being so wrong I am at a loss for words. You basically hate Jedi, you also just want to blame SOE for any problems and think that LA has a magic wand, of course you think Jedi are the only real problem.

Name me one movie that doesn't have a Jedi in it?

If Yoda and Obi-Wan knew that ALL Jedi were dead, if they were that omnipotent, why did the Jedi fall, surely they would have known?

The Jedi shouldn't exsist thing has been disproven so much it's not funny any more.

1. SWG is only BASED on Star Wars, meaning because of the naturl of non-scripted game play continuity cannot be followed.

2. Using EU we know there are more forcer users in the galaxy and that the purge wiped out the organized Jedi to the point they were virtually extinct.

3. Star Wars without Jedi is basically Generic Sci-Fi game #577

The Jedi shouldn't be here argument never proves anything cause once again you attack Jedi who are bonafide cannon but ignore: Rangers, Bio-engineers, Image Desingers, Fencers, Swordsman, Creature handlers, Smugglers (With Slicing as the term was never used) just to name a few.

Not one of those professions are cannon, and have LESS right to be in SWG then Jedi, Jedi are rare, these dont exsist. You just hate Jedi is all.

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OK let's start off, I do not hate Jedi, I would love to be a Jedi, but I love Star Wars over my need to play a Jedi, Jedi are meant to be extinct, instead of more common than a pistoleer. SOE have really screwed the game up. For instance giving melee classes such an extreme benefit to combat.

The real problem in SWG is that everything is nerfed to buggery. That and SOE do not like following SW continuity.

I wasn't saying that Jedi was a small decision I meant they didn't have anythign to do with things like nerfing the hell out of smugglers and Bounty Hunters, and in general ranged combat professions.

The movies are the tales of the death of the republic (and Jedi with it) and rebirth (Jedi joins in here too). Simply saying no film has no jedi is no defense. There is only ever one Jedi in the same solar system let alone 20 hanging around coronet.

Yoda and Obi-Wan don't necessarily, but the Emperor is almost certain. The only reason Yoda was left alive was becuase he had escaped to Dagobah a planet known for it's Dark FOrce Power, so he was hidden. I don't know how he missed Obi-Wan however, something to do with Krayts if I recall correctly.

1. That argument makes no grammatical sense. I can assume you're saying that how can Star Wars Galaxies follow Star Wars continuity? This is simple, move it forward like 50 years in Star Wars time, then we can have a reason why there are so many Jedi. Really if you want something to be called Star Wars you have to stick by the continuity that was set by George Lucas, other wise it is just generic Sci-Fi game #577

2. Isn't that argument detrimental to your argument? If the Jedi are almost extinct doesn't that say something?
I'm not against FS in fact the idea of beign FS is cool, though being a Jedi is not.

3. Star Wars is not about Jedi, it is the battle between good and evil. Jedi were just a beacon used by Lucas to represent the best qualities of the Rebellion, while the Sith Vader was used to represent the worst parts of the Empire.

Bio-engineers definetly should be in the game, in fact they should suck up Image Designers skills. As that's really what they do and if you think about it, what are cloners, just your run of the mill doctors? Rangers they are a type of character in any type of environment, you wouldn't want to traverse Dathomir without a skilled trackers help (which reminds me they need to have group mask scent skill). In any society there will be people that modify how people look, your regular hair dresser is an Image Designer. A tatoo artist is a hair dresser, etc. I don't want any melee classes in the game. As they remove from the Star Warsiness, and I'll be happy when they're removed. I can have no logical problem with smugglers an slicing, it's their form of modifications made to things like their ships.

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Balzan wrote:
SOE were the ones that wanted Jedi in SWG in the first place Lucas Arts didn't want them...

Lucas Arts only job is making certan artisitic things go through SWG. They have no control over the actual system that SOE sets up. If they have any control it's basically just a memo...
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You are so wrong that it is funny, anything to do with star wars Lucas has the rights to it, SOE make a game based on star wars so if they want wookie armor they have to ask Lucas if its ok, if they want to put people in from the films or eu then they would have to ask Lucas. You see where i am going with this why would jedi be any differant.

Also how do you know if Lucas wants jedi in SWG or not are you him or do you know him?

The fact that jedi are in this game means that Lucas must want them in as they are the once that own star wars and everything that it contains.
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I agree LA has the entire rights to the game most likely. Though the fact of the matter is that they aren't involved in every process that SOE does. You seem to have missed where I was going to I might not have stated in properly, but I'm pretty certain that SOE persuaded LA to allow Jedi in if they made the skills rare and difficult to find/master. I do not blame LA for the major cok-ups in SWG, I see wookiee armour as an important balancing issue, hopefully there will be no more armour wearing people at all in SWG after the combat rebalance.

I don't get why you keep saying Lucas wants something, Lucas Arts is the company that is involved, George Lucas has no involvment in SWG, of that I am certain, otherwise he'd want it destroyed.

Message Edited by Balzan on 10-19-2004 10:39 AM