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ArjunThakur wrote:
Ok we all know this is a problem. Right now we are getting about 50-100 FRS XP for a standard overt, and between 300-500 for a ranked Jedi.
This makes it very worthwhile to hunt down any overt you can find as tracking down and actually finishing off a ranked Jedi can be extremely hard....especially if they just run.
So what we have are a lot of Overt GCW players complaining about Jedi griefing, and Jedi defending themselves saying that the reward for killing another ranked Jedi just doesn't justify NOT hunting other overts.
In addition coverts are giving -1 FRS XP, so many players just stay covert and abuse the GTEF to make sure Jedi have no way to earn FRS XP.
So lets work up a proposal....from Chianti and several other posters this is what I have:
1. Increase the Jedi vs. Jedi FRS XP by a factor of 5 making Jedi vs. Jedi very desirable
- This will most likely increase the pace at which Jedi fill the ranks, but will give focus to Jedi vs. Jedi fighting and allow the challenge systems to act as the stopgaps like they should be....not just a pure lack of FRS XP.
I wouldn't say 5*, but a smaller multiplier would be encouraging.
2. Remove FRS XP for normal overts
I totally disagree there, if we are perma-overt, there should be a reward for defending ouselves etc. This would not stop Jedi attacking Overts, because the people that like gank squads will gank whether there is FRS XP or not for it.
3.Increase the penalty for dying to an Overt by a factor of 5
- This will encourage players hunting Jedi to go Overt, and discourage casual "griefing" of starports and other high profile areas by Jedi
Totally disagree, this will just encourage ganksquads attacking Jedi, and on planets such as Dath, Yavin & Endor, where there are no player clone centers, it isn't that hard to camp the clone centers & shrines to repeatedly kill a Jedi.
If players know theres a massive penalty for the Jedi, they will just go round in gank squads
4. Remove the FRS XP penalty vs. Coverts
- This will discourage players from abusing the group TEF bug and encourage more Overt play
- This will also fix the bug where Coverts with a TEF can grant Jedi FRS XP
Agree there.
5. Change Force Run to be a Force over time based skill....i.e. it uses5-10 force per second...which is not crippling but also would prevent a Jedi with 0 force pool from running indefinately.
After thinking about it, I could live with that.
6. Make Force Choke cancel Force Run
- This would prevent Jedi from fleeing any battle at anytime and make the Force Power tree more desirable (yes I know it needs a lot more help than this)
No argument there. Force power line is next to useless, this would add a desirable skill.
ArjunThakur wrote:
I really like the idea of a locked duel like in Jedi Knight 2....just not sure if that could happen as it would disrupt the GCW having 2 Jedi invulnerable.
Chianti wrote:
I think removing xp from normal overts will make the system even harder unless they implement a way to standardize a duel between two jedi so that they cant run away.
yeah I'm not sure it would happen either. BTW I edited my post, so it has more feedback.
ArjunThakur wrote:
Ok we all know this is a problem. Right now we are getting about 50-100 FRS XP for a standard overt, and between 300-500 for a ranked Jedi.
This makes it very worthwhile to hunt down any overt you can find as tracking down and actually finishing off a ranked Jedi can be extremely hard....especially if they just run.
So what we have are a lot of Overt GCW players complaining about Jedi griefing, and Jedi defending themselves saying that the reward for killing another ranked Jedi just doesn't justify NOT hunting other overts.
In addition coverts are giving -1 FRS XP, so many players just stay covert and abuse the GTEF to make sure Jedi have no way to earn FRS XP.
So lets work up a proposal....from Chianti and several other posters this is what I have:
1. Increase the Jedi vs. Jedi FRS XP by a factor of 5 making Jedi vs. Jedi very desirable
- This will most likely increase the pace at which Jedi fill the ranks, but will give focus to Jedi vs. Jedi fighting and allow the challenge systems to act as the stopgaps like they should be....not just a pure lack of FRS XP.
AGREE
2. Remove FRS XP for normal overts
DISAGREE
3.Increase the penalty for dying to an Overt by a factor of 5
- This will encourage players hunting Jedi to go Overt, and discourage casual "griefing" of starports and other high profile areas by Jedi
DISAGREE
4. Remove the FRS XP penalty vs. Coverts
- This will discourage players from abusing the group TEF bug and encourage more Overt play
- This will also fix the bug where Coverts with a TEF can grant Jedi FRS XP
AGREE - COVERTS WHO USE TEF SHOULD GIVE FRS POINTS WHEN YOU KILL THEM
5. Change Force Run to be a Force over time based skill....i.e. it uses5-10 force per second...which is not crippling but also would prevent a Jedi with 0 force pool from running indefinately.
DISAGREE
6. Make Force Choke cancel Force Run
DISAGREE - Whats going to trump Force Choke? Your suggesting FR draining force then allowing Force Choke to trump FR? Double nerf! I use FR2 when grinding. Your going to make my force regen drain when I am running from 6 nightsisters and rancors because people are bitching about FR? NERF! NERF! NERF! Im tired of it. You want to fix this? Go back to the old style and make every jedi the same at master. Nobody could cry nerf for the other professions then.
- This would prevent Jedi from fleeing any battle at anytime and make the Force Power tree more desirable (yes I know it needs a lot more help than this)
Riptor83 wrote:
I still think that force choke should imobilize the target. It would counter the FR3 ability to escape every time and would give people a reason to take Master Weilder. This wouldn't be nerfing FR3, it would simply be buffing another skill such that it can deal with it. Would it really be that bad to let Weilders have something to counter one of your moves when you have multiple things to counter a weilder's power (absorb/feedback/sheild).
I agree but if they do this then everyone would have to re-roll it would only be fair
ArjunThakur wrote:
1. Increase the Jedi vs. Jedi FRS XP by a factor of 5 making Jedi vs. Jedi very desirable
Great idea
2. Remove FRS XP for normal overts
Nope bad idea if they attack me and I have to defend then I should get some reward maybe a small reward but still something
3.Increase the penalty for dying to an Overt by a factor of 5
This will only encourage Jedi griefing - VERY BAD IDEA
4. Remove the FRS XP penalty vs. Coverts
Remove it add give us the same FRxp as you get for an Overt
5. Change Force Run to be a Force over time based skill....i.e. it uses5-10 force per second...which is not crippling but also would prevent a Jedi with 0 force pool from running indefinately.
NO NO NO NO - Force Run is FINE lets not nerf us totally back to the stone age
6. Make Force Choke cancel Force Run
Simply would not work - nice idea though
Tenfo wrote:
Arjun on TC2 it was 1200xp for killing other Jedi. It was nerfed divided by 4 somewhere before going live.
Good suggestions.
One other suggestion:
Remove Force feedback from the game. This is unbalancing for Dark Jedi using Force powers and negates their FRS bonuses. They just end up killing themselves faster.
Agreed, with force sheild and force absorb it is already difficult for a weilder to take down an enhancer.
Ranked Jedi are given a special Duel Arena ( Light vs Dark ) only Ranked Jedi can enter the Arena.
Ranked jedi can sign up for the tournament that is hold a couple times a day, see it as football i think you all know how football works, Teams duel eachother and only 1 will win the final and will win a nice amount of FRS and possibly a reward for winning the tournament?
Losers are granted no experience and the winners receive a good amount of FRS experience.
Padawans will appear as red dots to ranked jedionly and visa versano matter what side the ranked jedi is or the padawan.
Ranked jedi will receive a nice amount of FRS xp for killing padawans, if a padawan kills a ranked jedi he receives a good amount Jedi Experience and the ranked jedi will lose a huge amount of FRS XPora rank. ( possibly enters debt system if ranked jedi has no FRS xp or rank )
If ranked jedi B Killed Padawan A his TEF will drop and Ranked jedi B cannot attack padawan A for several hours.
Overts will still give FRS experience when killed.
Teffed persons will also give FRS experience but not as much as overts.
In the wild/cities...
If a ranked jedi spots another ranked jedi (light vs dark) they attack eachother but won't earn any xp if they kill eachotherthey have to setup a duel to earn experience.
For example Jedi A sees Jedi B and he runs to him and type /jediduel.
If jedi B declines the duel he loses a good amount of FRS XP.
If jedi B accepts the duel they can fight eachother 15 seconds after the duel is accepted.
No one else can join this duel to prevent friends helpingany of the jedi.
When the duel is over neither of the jedi can duel eachother for serveral hours.
- Disable Force Run in duels?
- Disable some type of foods and drink effects in duels?
Message Edited by Djferio on 07-10-2004 12:33 AM
5. Change Force Run to be a Force over time based skill....i.e. it uses5-10 force per second...which is not crippling but also would prevent a Jedi with 0 force pool from running indefinately.