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Try 15k for the first tier ships, you all are ripping pple off and you all know it.
I hate it when pple like that try to turn a quick one over on everyone
5k of resources at 3cpu is 15k. its bad enought they have to pay the chassis broker for the actual chassis.
FiLC wrote:
Nice advertising CarpetGunk
Your prices are quite low, which is actually good for your customers, but there are some problems with it. I found these problems soon enough while being Architect since SWG beta. So:
1) SW in meaning of quantity of resources is somewhere around same needs like Architect. What this means? You need quite alot resources to make chassis (just that im not counting components). If you dont have enough free lots (means more chars on server) you will soon run out of your stock.
2)for SWcomponents - as i said in number #1 you need alot of resources for chassis alone so you will not have enough free lots to harvest quality resources for upgrades. There is about 6 "special" (high grade polymetric radioactiveetc.)resources needed just for SW. I can see an interesting business pattern here. Selling chassis very low to keep your customers comming and then in same shop selling components for higher prices to keep cash coming. Well it should work that way ...
I read whole thread.I found out quite disturbing that everyone will base prices on quantity of resources?! This is not architect housing/furniture business!
After harvester chage time ago i started ppl charging by quality of product. Rate 10 Heavy harvestershould be cheaper then rate 13 heavy one i think, rate 10 medium should be more expensive then rate 10 heavy (medium have lower maintenance) etc.
What this all means? My prices will be based on quality of the product. If product is crap i will sell it just for resources cost. If product is UBER i will sell it for UBER price. Easy as that.
one problem with that with so many changes avalible to componets and ships your ideat of "uber" may not be someone elses. That is what makes it so interesting, all items and all pilots will be diffrent in there abbilities and techniques so in turn will there need for certain ships
a standard pricing pased on quality of resources is much easier to maintain and track
CarpetGunk wrote:
Takiwa wrote:
Oh yeah BTW the original post is actually charging 5 CPU
Finally... someone understands!
/laughat Dingo, /laughat Ackew
As I said a LONG time ago, I put a flat fee on the resources, since I'm always going to be using the best resources possible. I didn't want to bother getting into the stupid world of, "Well, these resources aren't as good, so I'll just charge Xcpu."
So anyway, thank you Takiwa for understanding my method.
Message Edited by CarpetGunk on 10-24-2004 09:08 PM
u would have eliminated the whole argument just saying 5cpu to 1.5cpu
most people that play this game are not smart enough to do the math
although i think u are low at that price point using top quality resources..and why would u since low grade resources make jsut as good quality chasis as high quality..sad but true
every server has a different economy what may work on one may not wrok on another
Message Edited by GALACTICGURU on 10-25-2004 04:18 PM
Ackew wrote:
Takiaw, Iwas going to go in to detail and point out all your errors but whats the points you don't seem to understand the simple concept of supply and demand so whats the point in trying to explain any thing else related to it. But lets just say this i DO NOT set the prices on my server its the people who OFFER me prices like that who do. Btw 20cpu is nothing compared to some of the REALLY rare and uber resources on my server I have seen some of them go for 1000cpu. Btw why not tell debeers to sell all thier diamonds for cost of mineing and seehow much they laugh at you. Or wendys to sell all thier burgers at cost and see what they say.
Ackew I well understand supply and demand. I also understand withholding resources so that demand is higher and therefore your prices can be. But I don't really care about your misguided notions or economics. The bottom line is you are overcharging. A 2900 percent mark-up IS WAY more than debeers charges for diamonds, or wendy's charges for a cheeseburger, but you cannot read that in my previous post even though I believe it was written in English which you can at least stumble through writing. And I am sure all your prices were set because someone offered you a really high price, thats understandable at auctions it happens alot its called compition bidding, the item isn't worth what the people are bidding for it but they are bidding higher and higher because the wish to win the BID. Just because this happens doesn't mean its right. There is a thing missing from GCW called ETHICS, I think its missing from educations, and businesses too.
Because I can shoot someone in the face, with a gun I legally bought, doesn't make it right, and so it goes with you selling resources to someone for a 2k-6k percent markup. You and that kind of economics is what is keeping the economy in this game from functioning properly, and you can one star me all day because you do not agree with me its fact.
Look the point is people aren't going to pay that much for a ship. You are angry because now you cannot over charge as many people. The original poster might have screwed your plans for making money but he is not trying to undercut the market which is my point. He is making quite a good profit off each ship. Now if you would like to crunch numbers with me I will prove you wrong but you won't/or can't so thats fine.
The point of showing people the true cost is to educate them against people like you, that is to say people that overcharge.
What really bothers me is that you think this is ok.
In fact you are angry that you cannot charge whatever is in your demented mind to charge. That is a real shame. Read some books, do some homework and study economics. Come back when you have a valid point and stop whining.
And its Takiwa, says so at the bottom of each post.
Takiwa wrote:
Ackew wrote:Takiaw, I was going to go in to detail and point out all your errors but whats the points you don't seem to understand the simple concept of supply and demand so whats the point in trying to explain any thing else related to it. But lets just say this i DO NOT set the prices on my server its the people who OFFER me prices like that who do. Btw 20cpu is nothing compared to some of the REALLY rare and uber resources on my server I have seen some of them go for 1000cpu. Btw why not tell debeers to sell all thier diamonds for cost of mineing and see how much they laugh at you. Or wendys to sell all thier burgers at cost and see what they say.Ackew I well understand supply and demand. I also understand withholding resources so that demand is higher and therefore your prices can be. But I don't really care about your misguided notions or economics. The bottom line is you are overcharging. A 2900 percent mark-up IS WAY more than debeers charges for diamonds, or wendy's charges for a cheeseburger, but you cannot read that in my previous post even though I believe it was written in English which you can at least stumble through writing. And I am sure all your prices were set because someone offered you a really high price, thats understandable at auctions it happens alot its called compition bidding, the item isn't worth what the people are bidding for it but they are bidding higher and higher because the wish to win the BID. Just because this happens doesn't mean its right. There is a thing missing from GCW called ETHICS, I think its missing from educations, and businesses too.
Because I can shoot someone in the face, with a gun I legally bought, doesn't make it right, and so it goes with you selling resources to someone for a 2k-6k percent markup. You and that kind of economics is what is keeping the economy in this game from functioning properly, and you can one star me all day because you do not agree with me its fact.
Look the point is people aren't going to pay that much for a ship. You are angry because now you cannot over charge as many people. The original poster might have screwed your plans for making money but he is not trying to undercut the market which is my point. He is making quite a good profit off each ship. Now if you would like to crunch numbers with me I will prove you wrong but you won't/or can't so thats fine.
The point of showing people the true cost is to educate them against people like you, that is to say people that overcharge.
What really bothers me is that you think this is ok.In fact you are angry that you cannot charge whatever is in your demented mind to charge. That is a real shame. Read some books, do some homework and study economics. Come back when you have a valid point and stop whining.
And its Takiwa, says so at the bottom of each post.
Perhaps you could explain, Takiwa, how charging 2-6cpu for a ship (dependent upon the quality of resoources involved in the construction) is overcharging when you could sell those same resources for 2-6cpu (or even more than that)? Call me a flamer if you like, but your argument is asinine and backward. The basis for pricing items that take a lot of resources to build has been based on the prices of the resources used for a while now. Ask any architect.
What the original poster is doing is undercutting the ship market. He knows exactly what he is doing, but he's trying to put himself up on a pedestal as a "defender of the people" so that it makes everyone else who wants REALLY fair pricing look like we're being unreasonable gougers. Explain to me why an item created with, say, 50k of a resource that goes for 5k on the open market (250k total) should be sold at 100k. If you think that's reasonable, then I'm not sure there is any hope for you and this whole argument is moot.
Obemi wrote:
Could I just ask a quick question at this point. Now, having never been a serious crafter other than doctors supplies for myself and my guild I'm obviously not up to scratch on mining so here goes;
Does it cost more in terms of maintenance and power to mine a high quality (4 or 5 stars using the origional posters system) resource?
Message Edited by pneumonic81 on 10-26-2004 07:08 AM