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Wedge_Halcyon

Wed Oct 27, 2004 10:16 am

Personally I have to say that the pro-PVP group in this thread is being very closed minded about this whole discussion. The fact is simple: haveing the Mastery based on wheather or not you excel at PVP is not fair. PVP should be something that is optional. Andthe simple fact is if you put 5 Imperial Master Pilots in Kessel with fully tuned Master level TIEs they will win about 75% of the time against any number of 4/4/4/4 Rebs in A-wings. The only advantage that A-wings have is pure speed. TIEs can out manuever them, and the higher level TIEs will have better armour.

Also, I may be wrong,but I don't think that PVP will help in the mission because any time I have had to kill a player while doing a mission the kill hasn't counted as 1 of the required kills.

So the scenerio becomes this: 10 Rebs go into Kessel to become Master Pilots. They are jumped by the 5 Imp Masters. We will say that they win and now we have 5 Reb pilots left and they are all flying ships with 25-50% damage. Allong come the TIEs that they need to kill in order to do the mission. Due to the slow spawn time of the NPC TIEs the 5 damaged Reb pilots have to sit there for quite a while to be able to finish the mission. Are they likely to finish the mission? NO! I doubt that the 5 Imp Master Pilots are going to log out for the night, they are going to head back to Kessel and finish what they started. The Imps enter the system to find 4 Rebs fighting say 8 TIEs andjump into the fight flying fully chaged and repaired TIEs against 4 50-75% damged A-wings. And yes it is very likely that at least 1 A-wing would die in the battle against the NPC TIEs.

I am neither for or against PVP. Personally I find it boring, I quit playing Wolfenstein: Enemy Territory ( a pure PVP game) because I could get to the highest rank in very little time and then I would just sit there killing everyone that attacked me. My problem is with a system that is designed to allow people who want to PVP dictate what type of character someone who doesn't want to PVP can have. PVP should be 100% volutary and have NOTHING to do with level advancement. There are only 2 professions that could realistically be excuded from this rule: Bounty Hunter and Jedi, and neither one require PVP participation to become master.

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FalinMor

Wed Oct 27, 2004 10:41 am

#132

This is an irritating thread.

I like PvP. I DO NOT like it when people are forced to do it. Period.

That said, the thing that has irritated me the most about this thread is Cuality's attitude. He's got this hang-up about accusing everyone of being afraid.

News flash: If I'm trying to do a mission in Kessel and I get offed after several hours of flying, I get PISSED OFF. I don't want it to happen again, because it's wasting my time. That IS NOT FEAR. I'm not "afraid" of PvP, I just don't want to waste my time any more doing something repetitive. There's no fear in it at all, regardless of what Psych 101 tells you.

And now you'll say that I'm "afraid to waste my time". No. I'm not. There IS a difference between not wanting to do something and being afraid to do something. I dislike mowing my lawn. I'm not "afraid to mow my lawn", I can just think of a million other things I'd rather be doing. Same goes for running long, hard missions in Kessel. I'm not "afraid" that someone will kill me, I KNOW someone will try, and I don't want them to because it's a waste of my time and an annoyance. I want to concentrate on my mission without having my time wasted by someone who has no goal in their actions other than wasting my time.

Falin

BrotherDavius

Thu Oct 28, 2004 4:17 am

#133

Eldana wrote:

BrotherDavius wrote:

Eldana wrote:

BrotherDavius wrote:

pve dose play a part in the gcw in space all but one mission are in pve zones, the last one just happens to be in a pvp. The way some of you people are talking it is as if its pvp all the way from novice to master well its not.

Also its not like the new master pilots will stay in that pvp zone they will more than likly go to the deep space zone as youneed to be a master to be able to get in there.

And what do you want to tell us? That it is no problem that the most difficult mission of all is in Griefers Paradise?
Nobody talked about every mission. What we are talking about is only that last mission. I personally also do PvP sometimes.
But:
a) when I want to
b) when it doesn't make me loose hours and hours of my time

The "normal" master pilot might really go into deep space but there will still be enough dorks left that stay in Kessel only to have their fun hunting the ones that have to go there to do the mission.

Message Edited by Eldana on 10-27-2004 09:28 AM

Most people in here in the last few posts where saying missions implying that they thought that there where a few missions like this.

Let me ask the people who do not like this:

Why is it ok for jedi to have to pvp be it from bounty hunters or other jedi(in the Force ranking system) the whole time that they play. But it is not ok for a pilot to have to do it for one mission?

It is not like you have to pvp to work up the pilot trees, its not like you have to pvp after you master pilot, you only have to do it for 1 mission, if you find it to hard with 4-5 people find more people. Get people who have already done it to help you, if it dose not work in the live servers then yes they should change it but for now they should leave it the way it os.

Actually you have to do "missions" in Kessel as thatmaster mission is also split into several parts.
Please don't compare the pilot profession with Jedi.
And Jedi are only permaovert when they reach knight status.
Would you agree that there is a huge potential of griefing in having that mission in a PvP zone or not?
And about having a group with you... nice, but 1 hit on you and all is over.

But if your group is good enough to cover you then you should not get hit.

All i am saying is let it pan out on the live servers before you scream for change.

Let me ask you this do you thinkthat animp player flying around in a tieshouldbe attacked by a rebel or the other way around?

This is how it use to work but now you have to be overt, i think it would have worked out but they changed before we could try it out.

Also the mission spawn might have been slow in beta it dose not mean it will be slow in live.

Eldana

Thu Oct 28, 2004 4:27 am

#134

Okay I wrote this in the other big thread and now also here:

Guess what. I stop posting in this thread.

Cause it doesn't make sense to argue with people that doesn't want to see that there are other opinions out there.

Okay now for the files:

I do PvP sometimes.

I do get killed a lot in PvP

I do not send hate tells in PvP nor do I trashtalk in spatial

IHATE to gettrash tells and "I pwned you no00b" tells or if you win in seldom cases you get tells like you might see in some threads on the boards

(I will not put that words in here to not get my account banned).

I HATE to be forced into PvP against higher level Players without my consent (And no one here can tell me that I as a 4/4/4/4 pilot have a chance against a master)

I do not deny the pvp content to pro-pvp players.

I HATE that pro-pvp players want to deny content to me.

I do not disrespect players that do fair PvP

I will not like PvP more cause I'm forced into it to get master pilot

I believe that this setup will HURT PvP in the long terms as a lot of players that might have tried PvP after master will be pi$$ed and never do it.

Have a good day alltogether.

BrotherDavius

Thu Oct 28, 2004 4:39 am

#135

Eldana wrote:

Okay I wrote this in the other big thread and now also here:

Guess what. I stop posting in this thread.

Cause it doesn't make sense to argue with people that doesn't want to see that there are other opinions out there.

Okay now for the files:

I do PvP sometimes.

I do get killed a lot in PvP

I do not send hate tells in PvP nor do I trashtalk in spatial

IHATE to gettrash tells and "I pwned you no00b" tells or if you win in seldom cases you get tells like you might see in some threads on the boards

(I will not put that words in here to not get my account banned).

I HATE to be forced into PvP against higher level Players without my consent (And no one here can tell me that I as a 4/4/4/4 pilot have a chance against a master)

I do not deny the pvp content to pro-pvp players.

I HATE that pro-pvp players want to deny content to me.

I do not disrespect players that do fair PvP

I will not like PvP more cause I'm forced into it to get master pilot

I believe that this setup will HURT PvP in the long terms as a lot of players that might have tried PvP after master will be pi$$ed and never do it.

Have a good day alltogether.

Look who is being cloesd minded now. Let it pan out first on live servers, if there is to much griefing then by all mean make a petion i will sign it, if the mission is to open to greif players then i will give it my full support.

It is sad that players will not try somthing new just becuse the ground game burned them in pvp.

DartVader2

Thu Oct 28, 2004 4:47 am

#136

I dont like to PvP and dont want to be forced to get in a PvP-Zone to master my Pilot-Profession and get my YT-1300...

I can live with the fact that i had to stay out of Kessel and Deep Space to be Neutral - but how can i stay out when

they force me to go there for the Master Mission?

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Eldana

Thu Oct 28, 2004 4:51 am

#137

Where am I closed minded?

I would agree in closed minded if I say that I want to have that 2 PvP zones removed so that you have no playground.

Did I state that somewhere?

It is sad, that you don't want tolet me decide if I want to try that new or not.

Lets make a compare:

Someone thinks taking heroine is the coolest thing in the world.

Would you like him to force you intotrying it?

Or would you prefer to have the free will to try it or not?

(exaggregated example, smoking might do the same)

And the sadest thing is the guys that comes up with "then stay 4/4/4/4"

Back to my compare:

The guy tells you you can't live in this city if you don'ttry this shot.

Felinae

Thu Oct 28, 2004 4:54 am

#138

you know what, I said no more posts but read the best news last night..... here is a quote from JTL manual

page 23: section Gaining Prestige Points

Once you have MASTERED YOUR CHOSEN PROFESSION (meaning that you have all of the skill boxes associated with the profession) you will start earning prestige points. There are Rebel, Imperial and Privateer Prestige points.

These Prestige Points can be exchanged to access high-end player-versus-player areas, including the unknown regions of Deep Space and the spice mine system of KESSEL.

So you cannot even enter kessel till you are a master pilot, I double checked it in game to, hit hyperspace key, there is no option for kessel system. Would have been nice if devs would have said in beta that the master missions are there for beta only, but they didnt. They just ignored all the posts..... Now I wonder what the master missions will be

BrotherDavius

Thu Oct 28, 2004 5:01 am

#139

Eldana wrote:

Where am I closed minded?

I would agree in closed minded if I say that I want to have that 2 PvP zones removed so that you have no playground.

Did I state that somewhere?

It is sad, that you don't want tolet me decide if I want to try that new or not.

Lets make a compare:

Someone thinks taking heroine is the coolest thing in the world.

Would you like him to force you intotrying it?

Or would you prefer to have the free will to try it or not?

(exaggregated example, smoking might do the same)

And the sadest thing is the guys that comes up with "then stay 4/4/4/4"

Back to my compare:

The guy tells you you can't live in this city if you don'ttry this shot.

Yeah drug abuse is the same thing as pvp. the only way this mission has been played is on beta right and how many players where in there comperd to the live servers, 5-10% now in the live server it might be easyer to do the mission as the spawn might be faster and there would be more players to help you out.

All i am saying is let people try it before you ask for a change, you never know it could be easy to do comperd to beta.

Hoavomo

Thu Oct 28, 2004 5:05 am

#140

FloydStardust wrote:

samijx wrote:

Well.....if you're to the point where you're knocking on the master box, I'd liketo believe that you have a great ship and have your pilot skills honed to a point where you should be able to survive in the tough space sectors for a while. If that's not the case, and you don't like PvP then just stick with pilot 4 4 4 4 and live happy in non-PvP sectors or on the ground.

Great ship? Yes, most likely.

Honed pilot skills? Yes but geared towards NPC ships, which we all know fly very different from players and are a lot easier to beat.

Stick with pilot 4 4 4 4 and live happy in non-PvP sectors? No, why should players who don't like PvP or who are simply not good enough against other players be barred from flying the most desirable ships in the game?

Think about this issue a few months after JTL is released. There will be a lot more players in Kessel,most of whom will have mastered their pilot professions. Now a newer player enters the system trying to do his first Tier 4 mission... I don't think they'll live long there. The possibilities for griefing are pretty high, also considering that last I've heard the final mission has a very long respawn timer and is a static spawn in Kessel. What's to stop someone from camping that spot and griefing the players trying to finish their mission over and over.

Great point. And to answer your question, there is nothing that can stop them from camping that spawn. But a simple solution would be to instence everyones pilot quest missions. This way you only take who you want in your group and nobody else can bother you. If I recall, when the Corellian Corvette came out the Devs stated that it was the first instenced piece of content that they would be putting out. But since then we had the Geo caves and the DWB. Both of which have major problems with camping. All of which could have been avoided if they did to these POIs what they did to the Corvette.

But they were to worried about getting JTL out for Christmas that they didn't sit down and think of a way of implementing it to try and accomodate everyones play style. The least they could have done was to not put the master missions in the Kessel sector. This way everyone can complete their missions without being forced to PvP.

Eldana

Thu Oct 28, 2004 5:11 am

#141

BrotherDavius wrote:

Eldana wrote:

Where am I closed minded?

I would agree in closed minded if I say that I want to have that 2 PvP zones removed so that you have no playground.

Did I state that somewhere?

It is sad, that you don't want tolet me decide if I want to try that new or not.

Lets make a compare:

Someone thinks taking heroine is the coolest thing in the world.

Would you like him to force you intotrying it?

Or would you prefer to have the free will to try it or not?

(exaggregated example, smoking might do the same)

And the sadest thing is the guys that comes up with "then stay 4/4/4/4"

Back to my compare:

The guy tells you you can't live in this city if you don'ttry this shot.

Yeah drug abuse is the same thing as pvp. the only way this mission has been played is on beta right and how many players where in there comperd to the live servers, 5-10% now in the live server it might be easyer to do the mission as the spawn might be faster and there would be more players to help you out.

All i am saying is let people try it before you ask for a change, you never know it could be easy to do comperd to beta.

Okay I really stop now to post on this thread as you even try to use compares (that I even stated as being exaggregated) against me.

BrotherDavius

Thu Oct 28, 2004 5:19 am

#142

Eldana wrote:

BrotherDavius wrote:

Eldana wrote:

Where am I closed minded?

I would agree in closed minded if I say that I want to have that 2 PvP zones removed so that you have no playground.

Did I state that somewhere?

It is sad, that you don't want tolet me decide if I want to try that new or not.

Lets make a compare:

Someone thinks taking heroine is the coolest thing in the world.

Would you like him to force you intotrying it?

Or would you prefer to have the free will to try it or not?

(exaggregated example, smoking might do the same)

And the sadest thing is the guys that comes up with "then stay 4/4/4/4"

Back to my compare:

The guy tells you you can't live in this city if you don'ttry this shot.

Yeah drug abuse is the same thing as pvp. the only way this mission has been played is on beta right and how many players where in there comperd to the live servers, 5-10% now in the live server it might be easyer to do the mission as the spawn might be faster and there would be more players to help you out.

All i am saying is let people try it before you ask for a change, you never know it could be easy to do comperd to beta.

Okay I really stop now to post on this thread as you even try to use compares (that I even stated as being exaggregated) against me.

Yes the drug thing you used was silly, but so is not letting people try this mission for them selfs.

It is like some one who dose not like jtl post that the game it not good and that no one should buy it and that everyone should just go play WOW or EQ2. Do you not see how this is the same?

Banshe

Thu Oct 28, 2004 5:46 am

#143

Forgot about that.... after I tried the master missions 2 times and got mybutthanded to me, I just quit playing beta... has anyone tried to enter Kessel as a non master pilot yet? If not I will try during lunch today.

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