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KzinKiller
Wed Oct 13, 2004 4:21 pm
#118
No, I'm just not a slow learner. Anybody who has been in this game since Beta knows that SOE says lots of things ... how they connect up with reality is something else.
If executive statements were proof, Enron stockholders would be rich. Anybody who doesn't read corporate PR with a critical eye is just begging to get burned. The only people in fantasyland are the people who take self-serving statements at face value.
If executive statements were proof, Enron stockholders would be rich. Anybody who doesn't read corporate PR with a critical eye is just begging to get burned. The only people in fantasyland are the people who take self-serving statements at face value.
Slarus
Wed Oct 13, 2004 4:26 pm
#119
If an SOE exec's word on this matter means nothing to you... then nothing will convince you from this rumor otherwise will it?
Thats' kinda funny... you'd believe a rumor started by some random guy on the internet over the world of someone who RUNS THE GAME...funny and kinda sad
Well some folks have a vested interest in hoping for this, folks who hate Jedi as it is the only reason given for the take over.
MattaiTrickster
Wed Oct 13, 2004 4:39 pm
#120
bigwink wrote:
o boy i see a big nerf if this does hit
rofl amen
this is a tough subject, i think it would certainly make the atmosphere better.............but other then that i dont know what to think 
Rebelion3
Wed Oct 13, 2004 5:46 pm
#121
KillDroidxx wrote:
I hope this is true. I strongly disagree with what changes have been made in this game since launch. The mass availibility of Jedi being one of them. There is bending continuety then there is blowing it out of the water. Sure, sure everyone always says it's not Star Wars without Jedi. Well, it is not the Galactic Civil War with hundreds of them. They should either limit them or make them very strong NPC's or let Dev's and privlidged people play them.
There is apage on Lucas Arts' website asking for applications for a new Sr. Director of Star Wars Galaxys. This is in the job section. If Lucas Arts already was running the show why would they be getting a new one? Or is this a new position that combines the jobs of a few people? Supports the rumor at any rate.
How could Lucas Arts make this game any worse? There is lots of room for improvement and not much chance at making it worse. If they do take over my guess is that they will think long term rather than short term. They will design publishes that are for the better of the game and not for the better for the month. If they do this I am almost certain they would piss a lot of people off at first then they would see that it will form to be better than it was. I have yet to be dissapointed with any Lucas Arts product.
And the reason a lot of people who dislike this game but put up with it is because they have hope that some day it will getbettter. Also, it is the only Star Wars MMORPG and the only MMORPG of its kind.
Good question but let me get this right: first is the Lucasarts taking out SOE.....results may end up lying disconnected for while for lookinga dev crew .... may better gaming system,jedi will exist ( thats GL dream)..... already lucasarts is in command they just give the approvement of the idea and date, L.A. isn't ready for this complete takeover and they need SOE for the internet acess for us to play. odds of that happening in this complete take over is a two sided-part story.
Cobra2468
Wed Oct 13, 2004 6:04 pm
#122
oh my... i really hope this is true. this is a fun game, i enjoy playing it but i think it would be much better if it followed continuity. ive been saying ingame to friends etc "how can SOE be allowed to do this?". looks they cant for much longer 
(if this is a rumor ignore me, i didnt read the whole thread lol)
C0RAX
Wed Oct 13, 2004 8:43 pm
#123
Slarus wrote:
You say it right here "The engine, combat system, etc. etc. was developed by SOE"SOE developed the engine, the combat system, they then as per the licence matched it with Star Wars content, which is names, titles, locations and some professions. There is a difference between content and the engine and combat system both realistically and legally. It doesnt matter who finaced it unless LA bought or owns ALL RIGHTS associated with the game mechanics and content. Your arguning with yourself, and you clearly have no clue about game rights. You cant say someone is wrong out of conveience, Jedi were approved by LA and impletmented by SOE, to say LA is gonna take over because of Jedi and after one year of operation and steal SOEs intellectual property to support this absurd rumor is insulting to all of us.
FYI Slarus I've never agreed with you once, why don't you juststop twisting my words, andagain spare me the cheap jabs,I've read all your posts perhaps you're confused, your tatics of self defecation works well, it suites you!
And yes it does matter who financed it, that usually gives you the a good idea how a contract might be drawn up.
Jedi? You brought that up you bury yourself in it.
C0RAX
Wed Oct 13, 2004 9:14 pm
#124
Slarus wrote:
If by speculation you mean industry standards and the obvious fact SOE has continued invovlement in the mechanics of this game, and runs the infrastructure then I guess those FACTS are what you call speculation, but I don't understand the dictionary's definition of Fact doesn't mention the word speculation so I think your confused.
"as a product designer you never sign off any intellectual property that belongs to you"
Which of course supports exactly why SOE did not sign off thier rights, they own the combat game system, not Lucas who owns Star Wars. SOE can make another game using the same combat/skill system, LA cannot, but SOE can't run SWG without LAs good graces I cant dumb this up anymore and for 13 years of ID I am not sure what kind of design you do but it is clearly not art, print, or multimedia as you clearly dont know anything about rights of intellectual property with creative medias.
I'm curious with all this talk do you have portfolio that matches your tongue.
May I ask what school you attend this might explain alot about your disfunction, and have you graduated from the program you're currently in?
Get over yourself SWG is owned by Lucasfilm Entertainment Company Ltd. hence this is posted at the bottom of the www.starwarsgalaxies.com website, and if you want further proof click on Legal & Copyright Notice:
Star Wars Galaxies™: An Empire Divided™
Star Wars Galaxies and An Empire Divided are trademarks of Lucasfilm Entertainment Company Ltd. © 2003-2004 Lucasfilm Entertainment Company Ltd. or Lucasfilm Ltd. & ® or TM as indicated. All rights reserved. Uses Miles Sound System. © 1991-2000 by RAD Game Tools, Inc. Portions of this software are Copyright 1998-2001 Criterion Software Ltd. and its licensors.
By the way just scan through the other games and compare. Oh I don't see SOE mentioned in Star Wars Galaxies... darn.
Message Edited by C0RAX on 10-14-2004 12:41 AM
Merc93
Thu Oct 14, 2004 12:59 am
#125
After looking over all 114 posts to this thread, I noticed that there was not a single comment from any official representative of SOE here. This leads me to the following extrapolations:
1. SOE knows about the rumor and doesn't care, counting on JTL to dispel customer dissatisfaction.
2. At present this thread is only 3 days old, and SOE does NOT know of it's existence yet.
3. SOE needs to prepare a statement regarding it's relationship with LucasArts, and needs to validate or invalidate the rumor with LucasArts.
4. The rumor is true and is a public embarrasment to SOE, hence it's lack of comment.
5. SOE is pursuing the publishers ofthe aforementioned website for illegal use of it's trademarks in a damaging and slanderous manner.
In any case, I'm not enough of a Star Wars fanatic to give a flying flip whether or not Jedi exist, and whether or not this is a breech of contract. Unless I'm mistaken, Lucas Film Ltd. is involved with Sony for help with graphic animation on the Episode III, and probably has a larger relationship with Sony than just this game. Also, I happen to know that when companies make aggreements and commit themselves to large projects they usually sign a contract protecting their interests for a specified period of time. The inclusion of a Jedi in the story line is artistically explained in the context of the flms in that they are in "hiding" as in the novels so there's no breech of continuity as the author claims. I also know that George has the final say on everything Star Wars and have known friends who went to school at the Dallas Art Institute where he recruits some of his animators. I'm fairly confident that if George didn't like something, he would say " I don't like that" and SOE would have to snap a salute and say "yes sir!"
Also it's worth mentioning that the rights to Star Wars is a franchise and they can be bought into. Buying rights gives a certain amount of license to use those rights, so this story doesn't make sense to me. I think if George would be upset anything it would be the long amount of time SOE takes to finish projects, but that would be fairly hipocritical coming from a man who has taken over 20 years to finsih his saga don't you think? I think he would understand the time element, and hey, the longer they take dangling carrots in front of us, the more money George makes, so what makes you think he's unhappy about SOE? Something you read on the Internet? Please. Well the story has a critical flaw: it gives a date for an announcement of breech of contract, which it claims is Oct. 28th, the day after release. so ithas provided a way to disprove itself should the rumor in fact be untrue (and it probably is)
Does anyone here look over your bank statements? Or are you all just a bunch of kids playing on mom's credit card? if you did, you may have noticed that the billing cycle was changed from the 3rd of the month to the 28th of the month (the day after release of JTL). Why do you think that is? I'll give you a big hint: it will cost SOE more and be more confusing to maintain 2 billing cycles and they're probably counting on a large influx of new constomers given the hardware upgrades on the servers. They probably wouldn't do this if Lucas Arts was going to severe ties with them. They would probably leave it for someone else to handle.
Either way, I would like to see SOE back of some of it's decisions which made alot of us unhappy, reverse the decisions they made because someone whined about something and continue to improve the game (and god please, improve it's performance too) Until then, I would wait for a response from one of the learned men at SOE and don't believe everything you read on the internet.
Liamo
Thu Oct 14, 2004 7:10 am
#126
This is my first MMORPG and the serious question I have to ask is are there any truly "bug-free" ones?
90% of the bugs seem to revolve around balance not bugs. There are a few bugs but they even took care of the bike warping bug 
I've played for well over a year and can count on 1 hand the amount of bugs I've encountered.
And to the guy that was saying the people at the game store was laughing at him for playing Galaxies...they obviously have no clue what this game is about and are probably the new generation of punks who think bashing Star Wars is the thing to do and if they played would be an jerk in game. What MMORPG is going to give them a better "Star Wars" feel?
You don't need to be an RPer to play this game but you do need to realize you exist in a pre-existing universe. 99% of the games issues revolve around players forgetting there is an established universe. (in other words using Leet, naming stuctures stuff like Pimp Shack) the sooner we get rid of these people, the sooner the game can succeed whether SOE or LA is at the helm.
The box here says "Live the Saga". Remember there is an established Saga to live in it's up to you how to do it.
Again, it doesn't mean not talking about last nights game, but it does mean permanently doing things that go against what you should know better.
Caine_Chapel
Thu Oct 14, 2004 8:01 am
#127
Corax... no one is arguing that Lucas owns the SW franchise... but SOE is the sole owner of the code and how it has been implemented. Dont you get that? They HAVE to go through Lucas for everything they put into the game as SW names, etc and every named thing in the game is owned by lucas... but that doesn't mean lucas has total control of how things are implemented. They don't own the servers, they don't own the payment plans, etc. all that is owned by SOE as they are the ones running the game. Its a joint venture in a sense. One cannot exist without the other.
EQ/EQ2 and SWG dont really conflict with each other as they are different genres. That's like saying Warhammer 40k conflicts with Knights of the Old Republic... they're both Comptuer games. Fact is while SWG and EQ2 are both MMOs they have 2 distinct styles of play and are situated in 2 distinct Genres Fantasy and Sci-fi. Its almost like saying Matrix and Lord of the Rings are duking it out with each other when they're totally different types of movies...just because they have action in them doesn't mean they're the same thing.
If they did indeed own everything... they would have no need for SOE and to continue to pay SOE employees!
They would be doing it all themselves.
Slarus
Thu Oct 14, 2004 9:12 am
#128
Corax... no one is arguing that Lucas owns the SW franchise... but SOE is the sole owner of the code and how it has been implemented. Dont you get that? They HAVE to go through Lucas for everything they put into the game as SW names, etc and every named thing in the game is owned by lucas... but that doesn't mean lucas has total control of how things are implemented. They don't own the servers, they don't own the payment plans, etc. all that is owned by SOE as they are the ones running the game. Its a joint venture in a sense. One cannot exist without the other.
EQ/EQ2 and SWG dont really conflict with each other as they are different genres. That's like saying Warhammer 40k conflicts with Knights of the Old Republic... they're both Comptuer games. Fact is while SWG and EQ2 are both MMOs they have 2 distinct styles of play and are situated in 2 distinct Genres Fantasy and Sci-fi. Its almost like saying Matrix and Lord of the Rings are duking it out with each other when they're totally different types of movies...just because they have action in them doesn't mean they're the same thing.
If they did indeed own everything... they would have no need for SOE and to continue to pay SOE employees!
They would be doing it all themselves.
Agreed.According to some, SOE serves no purpose except to blame for everything, they obviously dont do since they have no part in this game, except to blame the problems on ,etc.
Lucas is a genius again. if these guys are correct Licas will never drop SOE as they are the perfect scape goat to Lucas' screw ups, by thier logic. Brillant, Lucas makes a change it bombs, SOE gets the blame.
I changed my mind I don't believe this rumor is true because who would want to dump the scape goat and risk taking blame yourself. SOE will be around forever. 
C0RAX
Thu Oct 14, 2004 9:14 am
#129
Caine with all due respect youspeak of this code... SOE was paid to design, develop, publish and eventually host Star Wars Galaxies. As it stands all that was opposed with the fact that Lucas has full ownership of Star Wars Galaxies has not proven otherwise.
"...sole owner of the code" I'm not in disbelief but where can I find this in writing (official)so I canfinally move on.
I argree with you, the developers has certain freedoms and the SOE team handled it quite remarkably since the game went live on 2003. But to quite a few not just myself, feel that the game lacks that certain Star Wars feel, mainly the story telling part. This brings back the point of continuity but that would be another discussion on its own.
This discussion is about the rumorof an impendingdivorce between LucasArts and SOE.
Since the game was first announced in E3 2001, the game recieved numerous accolades both from the press and their peers. To date I still play the game and enjoy it, but as we all know the game had tremendous growing pains it had to overcome, and I applaude the efforts SOE has committed. I don't doubt that creating content is a difficult thing but straying from the 'blue print' just brings negative attitudes speciallyfrom the loyal fans of Lucas' work.
I like your examples but Warhammer (Relic Entertainment) and KotOR (BioWare Corp.)have two different owners, developers and publishers. Yes you are correct these are two differentgenres but the conflict would be in the eventual management of EQ2 and SWG. In most cases this is hypothetical as mentioned in my previous post.
"If they did indeed own everything... they would have no need for SOE and to continue to pay SOE employees! They would be doing it all themselves." Well you said it yourself, business will be buisness, SOE has the resources to be plain and short, hence they are the host. Your last statement is why I actually ponder about this rumor. And how this will affect the game I've grown to love and hate remains to be seen.
Message Edited by C0RAX on 10-14-2004 02:08 PM
MukeyMonkey
Thu Oct 14, 2004 9:16 am
#130
Say this turns out to be true and Lucas takes overand goes ahead and takes player Jediout ofthe game. Some have said that if this happens those people will cancel their accounts. My answer to that is if Jedi are allowed to cintinue the way they are they'll be loosing a lot more accounts. They'll gain more accounts than they loose from taking Jedi out the game in the long run.Somebody made the comment of also saying this will only please the star wars fans.Well this game was made for the star wars fans. There are more star wars fans out there than all the subs of all the Mmogs put together,enough said.