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Slarus
Thu Oct 14, 2004 9:39 am
#131
Say this turns out to be true and Lucas takes overand goes ahead and takes player Jediout ofthe game. Some have said that if this happens those people will cancel their accounts. My answer to that is if Jedi are allowed to cintinue the way they are they'll be loosing a lot more accounts. They'll gain more accounts than they loose from taking Jedi out the game in the long run.Somebody made the comment of also saying this will only please the star wars fans.Well this game was made for the star wars fans. There are more star wars fans out there than all the subs of all the Mmogs put together,enough said.
The problem is the losing accounts on both sides is speculation, nothing more. The only folks you hear from are those that complain. Most complaints about Jedi invovle a known issue, an unfair issue or we hate Jedi.
Star Wars and Jedi are one, it isnt Star Wars without Jedi, and most products Sta Wars releated deal witht he Jedi in some way. To have an MMORPG Star Wars based without Jedi doesnt make sense. A few will be happy, a few will be upset, but the fact is that when they introduced Jedi subscribtions went up, they went up. The Village quests are extremely popular, so Jedi are in fact popular and wanted. The huge amounts of debates, this made up rumor in a desprate attempt to scare Jedi only. The posters here are either powergamers or complainers and that is a small portion of the total subscribtion rate.
Now ownership aside (SOE owns the game system, game companies this big dont sell off thier intellectual property) is SOE owns the code or not they do own the servers, so if Lucas takes over...excuse me we'll go by the genius above retains full control. Lucas LAID OFF people, even before that fact they do not have the resources to run this game, so screw who owns the code even f Lucas can retain the code, they cannot produce the game so it doesnt matter who owns it all, Lucas can't go it alone smoothly, we can also question who owns character data (SOE of course but the genius will say SOE does nothing) so SWG is on hold for 6 months to a year while Lucas builds an infrastructure to run this game.
So its either 3-5 years if SOE owns the code or 1-2 years if Lucas owns it that SWG is shutdown and all our characters, no clue how that will work. Plus this rumor assumes Lucas will make it right, well folks complain about epi 1-3 and the redos of 4-6 and that is George directly, so if he cant please these guys who can?
People will complain, people will start rumors. If you dont like the game, dont play if you do play let folks know how you feel without propigating rumors.
Crispy101 who started this thread has even said in a part 2 of this thread that this is most likely a rumor.
CORAX is highly motivated to support this thread, I cant prove it but CORAX at least believes the rumor, by making SOE a scape goat reducing thier role to janitor, yet to be blamed for all the problems. It makes you wonder why?
Play have fun if anything happens it happens, but with a new expansion releasing, and work continuing on a next expansion and the recent layoffs at Lucas Arts, the signs point rather clearly that SOE will stay in whatever capacity CORAX decides they have for the moment.
C0RAX
Thu Oct 14, 2004 10:57 am
#132
Hey Slarus I thought you bowed out, but I see you got sucked back in.
Slarus
Thu Oct 14, 2004 12:31 pm
#133
I'm curious with all this talk do you have portfolio that matches your tongue.
May I ask what school you attend this might explain alot about your disfunction, and have you graduated from the program you're currently in?
Get over yourself SWG is owned by Lucasfilm Entertainment Company Ltd. hence this is posted at the bottom of the www.starwarsgalaxies.com website, and if you want further proof click on Legal & Copyright Notice:
Star Wars Galaxies™: An Empire Divided™
Star Wars Galaxies and An Empire Divided are trademarks of Lucasfilm Entertainment Company Ltd. © 2003-2004 Lucasfilm Entertainment Company Ltd. or Lucasfilm Ltd. & ® or TM as indicated. All rights reserved. Uses Miles Sound System. © 1991-2000 by RAD Game Tools, Inc. Portions of this software are Copyright 1998-2001 Criterion Software Ltd. and its licensors.
By the way just scan through the other games and compare. Oh I don't see SOE mentioned in Star Wars Galaxies... darn.
The why is SOE a part of this, what function do they serve. On SOEs website they claim they developed the game, so the game system is theres, End of story. You want Jedi out, go play another game like bounthy hunter, the rumor has no basis, no SOE no SWG, period LA doesnt own the game system, the servers, the Devs, the CSRs none of it.
LucasArts and the LucasArts logo are registered trademarks of Lucasfilm Ltd. Star Wars Galaxies is a registered trademark of Lucasfilm Entertainment Company Ltd. SOE and the SOE logo are registered trademarks of Sony Online Entertainment Inc. © 2004 Lucasfilm Entertainment Company Ltd. or Lucasfilm Ltd. & ® or TM as indicated. All rights reserved.
Funny I see SOE mentioned, darn 
Slarus
Thu Oct 14, 2004 12:48 pm
#134
Ok folks, I am done with this, I have given the rediculous rumor too much of my time, the facts are Lucas would not take over SWG, because of the inclusion of Jedi, after all Lucas must approve any content changes before they go live, so it's clear that this was approved as it is. SOE may have suggested it, but Lucas approved it. There is ZERO reason, no matter what you may believe about copyrights, that Lucas would take Jedi out, and the originator has even admitted that this is a rumor. So I am not gonna argue with those two Jedi haters who try to blame everything on SOE, yet claim SOE has no part in SWG, yeah I know I am still trying to figure that out.
I know who owns the system, and who owns the content I can read and I know the law, you believe what you want, I said my bit. This moronic rumor doesnt deserve 1/100 of the time and energy devoted to it, it is based on garbage knowledge, and has zero truth.
Jedi are here, Deal with it. One day Jedi wont be over penalized either, deal with it. If you dont like Jedi in Star Wars, well I just dont know what to say... Watch Star Trek maybe?
KzinKiller
Thu Oct 14, 2004 5:37 pm
#135
Actually, the game was played without Jedi for months ... and it was a more balanced, enjoyable game, simple as that. I'm not an advocate of removing Jedi entirely (I know very few people who are), I'm an advocate of a sensible Jedi system that fits into the rest of the game, which we've never been close to having.
Slarus wrote:The problem is the losing accounts on both sides is speculation, nothing more. The only folks you hear from are those that complain. Most complaints about Jedi invovle a known issue, an unfair issue or we hate Jedi.Star Wars and Jedi are one, it isnt Star Wars without Jedi, and most products Sta Wars releated deal witht he Jedi in some way. To have an MMORPG Star Wars based without Jedi doesnt make sense. A few will be happy, a few will be upset, but the fact is that when they introduced Jedi subscribtions went up, they went up. The Village quests are extremely popular, so Jedi are in fact popular and wanted. The huge amounts of debates, this made up rumor in a desprate attempt to scare Jedi only. The posters here are either powergamers or complainers and that is a small portion of the total subscribtion rate.Now ownership aside (SOE owns the game system, game companies this big dont sell off thier intellectual property) is SOE owns the code or not they do own the servers, so if Lucas takes over...excuse me we'll go by the genius above retains full control. Lucas LAID OFF people, even before that fact they do not have the resources to run this game, so screw who owns the code even f Lucas can retain the code, they cannot produce the game so it doesnt matter who owns it all, Lucas can't go it alone smoothly, we can also question who owns character data (SOE of course but the genius will say SOE does nothing) so SWG is on hold for 6 months to a year while Lucas builds an infrastructure to run this game.So its either 3-5 years if SOE owns the code or 1-2 years if Lucas owns it that SWG is shutdown and all our characters, no clue how that will work. Plus this rumor assumes Lucas will make it right, well folks complain about epi 1-3 and the redos of 4-6 and that is George directly, so if he cant please these guys who can?People will complain, people will start rumors. If you dont like the game, dont play if you do play let folks know how you feel without propigating rumors.Crispy101 who started this thread has even said in a part 2 of this thread that this is most likely a rumor.CORAX is highly motivated to support this thread, I cant prove it but CORAX at least believes the rumor, by making SOE a scape goat reducing thier role to janitor, yet to be blamed for all the problems. It makes you wonder why?Play have fun if anything happens it happens, but with a new expansion releasing, and work continuing on a next expansion and the recent layoffs at Lucas Arts, the signs point rather clearly that SOE will stay in whatever capacity CORAX decides they have for the moment.
JodoKai
Thu Oct 14, 2004 10:15 pm
#136
Wow I know this has been posted before but a lot of you seem to have missed the message: LUCAS ARTS IS THE COMPANY THAT SAID JEDI WOULD BE IN THE GAME. THE DEV'S DIDN'T WANT THEM, LA TOLD THEM TO PUT JEDI IN.
Not only that, but anything SOE does put in has to be okayed thorugh LA, so if George is unhappy it's is own fault.
Not only that, but anything SOE does put in has to be okayed thorugh LA, so if George is unhappy it's is own fault.
Slarus
Thu Oct 14, 2004 11:55 pm
#137
Actually, the game was played without Jedi for months ... and it was a more balanced, enjoyable game, simple as that. I'm not an advocate of removing Jedi entirely (I know very few people who are), I'm an advocate of a sensible Jedi system that fits into the rest of the game, which we've never been close to having.
You opinion.
I love the game (my opinion), I'd make some changes, but so far for one year it is pretty good. If the Devs and the money people read too much into your opinion and those like you, MMORPGs would have died years ago. They realize that this is a vocal extreme minority, so they continue to expand and evolve the industry.
Massadonious
Fri Oct 15, 2004 3:12 am
#138
So, he wants to know any Star Wars items without Jedi. Here is the short list.
Any Star Wars flight sim.
- The XvT series.
- Rogue Squadron series(I believe you played as Luke, but you weren't on the ground weilding a lightsaber, so that dosen't count)
- JTL!! (No force powers in space)
The newer games.
- Battlefront (There are Jedi heroes, but none of them could be player controlled)
- Republic Commando (Set during the time of the Clone Wars, so there may be Jedi, but again, I doubt they will be player controlled)
Don't get me wrong, I love playing the other LucasArts title that include Jedi. I am anxiously awaiting KOTOR 2. But, the above is proof that there are good Star Wars games without PC Jedi in them.
(to help keep the thread on topic...)
I, for one, am looking forward to JTL, despite reviews to the contrary. At least there will be some sense of balance in space.
Caine_Chapel
Fri Oct 15, 2004 3:45 am
#139
Well thats really only a few games if you look at it overrall... most SW games tend to be either you're flying around in space... or playing a jedi for the most part.
Battlefront and Republic commando aside.
C0RAX
Fri Oct 15, 2004 6:27 am
#140
Star Wars Republic Commando
Star Wars Battlefront
Star Wars: Battle For Naboo
Star Wars: Dark Forces
Star Wars: Episode I Racer
Star Wars: Force Commander
Star Wars: Galactic Battlegrounds
Star Wars: Rebellion
Star Wars: Rogue Squadron
Star Wars Rogue Squadron II: Rogue Leader
Star Wars: Shadows of the Empire
Star Wars: Starfighter
Star Wars: X-Wing Alliance
Star Wars: X-Wing
Star Wars: Imperial Pursuit
Star Wars: B-Wing
Star Wars: TIE Fighter
Star Wars: X-Wing Trilogy
Star Wars: X-Wing vs. TIE Fighter: Balance of Power
Star Wars: X-Wing vs. TIE Fighter: Flight School
Star Wars: Bounty Hunter
Star Wars: The Clone Wars
Star Wars Galactic Battlegrounds: Clone Campaigns
Star Wars: Racer Revenge
Star Wars: Rebel Assault
Star Wars: Rebel Assault II - The Hidden Empire
Star Wars Rogue Squadron III: Rebel Strike
Star Wars: Masters of Teräs Käsi
Star Wars Galaxies: An Empire Divided / Jump to Light Speed
Star Wars Jedi Knight: Jedi Academy
Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic
Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic II: The Sith Lords
Star Wars: Episode I The Phantom Menace
Star Wars Jedi Knight: Dark Forces II
Star Wars: Jedi Knight: Mysteries of the Sith
Star Wars Jedi Knight II: Jedi Outcast
Star Wars: Super Return of the Jedi
Star Wars Obi-Wan
Star Wars: Episode I Jedi Power Battles
Yup there's alot of Star Wars titles. What's the releveance of this dispelling the of rumor of theimpending divorcebetween LucasArts and SOE?
KzinKiller
Fri Oct 15, 2004 9:03 am
#141
Slarus wrote:Actually, the game was played without Jedi for months ... and it was a more balanced, enjoyable game, simple as that. I'm not an advocate of removing Jedi entirely (I know very few people who are), I'm an advocate of a sensible Jedi system that fits into the rest of the game, which we've never been close to having.You opinion.I love the game (my opinion), I'd make some changes, but so far for one year it is pretty good. If the Devs and the money people read too much into your opinion and those like you, MMORPGs would have died years ago. They realize that this is a vocal extreme minority, so they continue to expand and evolve the industry.
That's right, it's an opinion ... but when you see a server like Tarquinas that used to be well populated, and now has exactly *one* city with any activity (Coronet) while Theed, which used to be pretty busy, is home to tumbleweeds and chirping crickets, I think that the 'money men' are getting a very clear message. People are voting with their feet.
This game will see a short-lived population bump when JtoL goes live, and then, unless there is a bigger shift in management focus than we've ever seen in SWG, the population with plummet when WoW, EQII and others come out.
Slarus
Fri Oct 15, 2004 9:19 am
#142
That's right, it's an opinion ... but when you see a server like Tarquinas that used to be well populated, and now has exactly *one* city with any activity (Coronet) while Theed, which used to be pretty busy, is home to tumbleweeds and chirping crickets, I think that the 'money men' are getting a very clear message. People are voting with their feet.
This game will see a short-lived population bump when JtoL goes live, and then, unless there is a bigger shift in management focus than we've ever seen in SWG, the population with plummet when WoW, EQII and others come out.
This game will see a short-lived population bump when JtoL goes live, and then, unless there is a bigger shift in management focus than we've ever seen in SWG, the population with plummet when WoW, EQII and others come out.
And when the subscribtion rate drops off on those over bugs and content like evry other game, will you post doom and gloom on those boards to.
Do you and CORAX hate MMORPGs?
If you had your way, there would be none. If you can do the basics and have reasonable game play (Which SWG does) the rest is fixable. If you want to run and your character, drops and flops on the ground, well then you have a serious problem, still fixable but very serious
I for one see potential SOE has been doing this for sometime, I think they just need to find their groove in this game. EQ sucked for almost 3 years before they ironed out the serious stuff, SWG is smoother in one year then EQ after 3, LA has zero experience in this market, they WILL do worse not better.
Hate Jedi all you want CORAX gave you options to rid yourself of those horrible Jedi (Shudder), enjoy! I think the best thing for us who play the game instead of whine and spread rumors is communicate, post problems send bug reports, do our part, SOE/LA and we the customers are a team that is how to fix problems, and they wont go away overnight it takes time, be patient give em a chance company demands are steep so there is not alot of time for this problem solving, just be patient.
SWG is and will remain one of the best MMORPGs, but few after the first achieve rock star status after one year.
fatgato
Fri Oct 15, 2004 11:00 am
#143
I would have to disagree the server populations have dropped considerably , and even though TH said server population is up, most likely new jedi with their second character slot. The is going to fail, Why willl it fail ? because overal content it is lacking in , the game has potential but has yet to even realize it. Every thing content wise they have released has been crappy . I played EQ1 since beta 2 and had hell of a better time with it then I ever had in SWG. Far more bugs here then ever was , at least in GMs actually responded in EQ1 and did something. This game lacks so much , and I cannot see it lasting too much longer. JTL is just life support to keep it going for little bit more, what they should do is pull it off life support and do the humane thing and put it to rest.