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Metroid wrote:

You haven't proven jack squat, this post you just made is an example of it. Your failing completely and everyone can SEE it. I keep posting because it's beyond me how you can continue to support your "theories" without using ANY logic whatsoever.

Please, feel free to provide ANY evidence that a TIE fighter couldn't support the power usage of a hyperdrive, after being modified. FEEL FREE. We're waiting!

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OHMSS225 wrote:

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Metroid wrote:

You haven't proven jack squat, this post you just made is an example of it. Your failing completely and everyone can SEE it. I keep posting because it's beyond me how you can continue to support your "theories" without using ANY logic whatsoever.

Please, feel free to provide ANY evidence that a TIE fighter couldn't support the power usage of a hyperdrive, after being modified. FEEL FREE. We're waiting!

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Heh. I'll let HelRayzer take this one. I'm hogging all the fun.

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EnterTheWookie wrote:

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Metroid wrote:

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OHMSS225 wrote:

When I was talking about the added weight on TIEs, I wasn't referring to them being used in space. They were also used in atmospheric assaults, which the devs said they will one day add.

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This is your entire problem. Here, I'll step you through it, ok?

You say a TIE fighters engines/hull couldn't support a hyperdrive. This is based on your VAST expertise on space flight, obviously.

But, at the same time, the Starwars universe itself totally defies all we know about logical flight. TIE fighters should not be able to fly in an atmosphere.

We accept that they can, because its part of Starwars. Logically, by this ACCEPTANCE of continuity, you could also accept that its possible for a TIE to support anything, even a DEATHSTAR LASER!

Please, try to understand. Your arguement for TIE's to not have hyperdrive makes LESS sense then TIE's HAVING hyperdrive.

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Actually your post didnt make sense at the end. In star wars anything can happen, to an extent. The energy required to even use a death star laser is enormous. The only non deathstar craft able to use one was the Eclips, a super super black star destroyer, and even then the laser wasnt as powerful as the death star. I dont think people would accept a TIE fighter flying around with a deathstar superlaser on its nose, could u imagin the turning ratio of a fighter like that? lol

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lol yeah but, my point is.. no one here has any idea what the energy usage of a hyperdrive is. Everyones just making the assumptiona TIE couldn't support it, which is completely baseless. There are innumerable reasons for the empire to NOT put a hyperdrive on TIE fighters, beyond "energy consumption". Why are any of those reasons, any less believable then "THEY CANT HAVE THEM! NO!!" ?? It just doesn't make sense.

Theoretically a TIE fighter could have the deathstar superlaser, it doesn't because we can think with reason and logic. The people this thread complaining about TIE's having hyperdrive threw logic & reason out the window a long time ago.

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As you can see, TIEs (origonal and adv) have no real room to attach a hyperdrive to the ship, as it would also reduce its speed and maneuverabilty, and since it has no shields, that would be a bad thing.

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EnterTheWookie wrote:

"The TIE (Twin Ion Engine) fighter is the clearest symbol of the Imperial Navy's control of space. TIE fighters are present aboard even the smallest imperial cruisers and are stationed at starports and garrison bases across the galaxy, an ever-present reminder of the empire's might. TIE fighters are short-range ships whose most distinquishing feature is the pair of dominat solar array wings mounted on either side of a small, spherical command pod. The tie presents a small target from its front and back, and its incredible maneuberabilty makes it difficult to hit.

TIE fighters have only sublight drives. This saves weight and increases speed and maneuverabilty (to reduce cost as well), but it makes TIEs dependent on a home base, such as a nearby planet or an imperial cruiser. TIEs carry only twi days worth of supplies under optimal conditions, in actual combat, TIEs often must refuel after the first few hours.

The TIEs maneuverabilty and speed comes at a greace practical cost to the pilot inside. TIE fighters have no shields, no secondary weapon or drive systems, minuscule flue supplies, and no onboard life support system; pilots must wear fully sealed flight suits with self-contained atmosphere converters. Byy eliminating all these systems, the TIE saves mass and makes room for large power generators, engines, and weaponds inside the compact hull"

As you can see, TIEs (origonal and adv) have no real room to attach a hyperdrive to the ship, as it would also reduce its speed and maneuverabilty, and since it has no shields, that would be a bad thing.

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JanGaarni wrote:

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EnterTheWookie wrote:

Actually your post didnt make sense at the end. In star wars anything can happen, to an extent. The energy required to even use a death star laser is enormous. The only non deathstar craft able to use one was the Eclips, a super super black star destroyer, and even then the laser wasnt as powerful as the death star. I dont think people would accept a TIE fighter flying around with a deathstar superlaser on its nose, could u imagin the turning ratio of a fighter like that? lol

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Actually, the Eclipse class is only just a tad shorter than the Executor class.

And the Death Star laser it had on it was a mini sized one, scaled down to fit into the hull of the ship.

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Eclipse Length: 17.5 Kilometers

SSD (Executor)Length:8,000 meters

Star Destoryer length:1,600 meters

and also my point still stands that the only other craft besides a Death Star that could use a superlaser was the eclips. It was the only ship big enough and had enough power to use it (the Super Laser had its own generators that were quite large in the eclipes)

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Metroid wrote:

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EnterTheWookie wrote:

"The TIE (Twin Ion Engine) fighter is the clearest symbol of the Imperial Navy's control of space. TIE fighters are present aboard even the smallest imperial cruisers and are stationed at starports and garrison bases across the galaxy, an ever-present reminder of the empire's might. TIE fighters are short-range ships whose most distinquishing feature is the pair of dominat solar array wings mounted on either side of a small, spherical command pod. The tie presents a small target from its front and back, and its incredible maneuberabilty makes it difficult to hit.

TIE fighters have only sublight drives. This saves weight and increases speed and maneuverabilty (to reduce cost as well), but it makes TIEs dependent on a home base, such as a nearby planet or an imperial cruiser. TIEs carry only twi days worth of supplies under optimal conditions, in actual combat, TIEs often must refuel after the first few hours.

The TIEs maneuverabilty and speed comes at a greace practical cost to the pilot inside. TIE fighters have no shields, no secondary weapon or drive systems, minuscule flue supplies, and no onboard life support system; pilots must wear fully sealed flight suits with self-contained atmosphere converters. Byy eliminating all these systems, the TIE saves mass and makes room for large power generators, engines, and weaponds inside the compact hull"

As you can see, TIEs (origonal and adv) have no real room to attach a hyperdrive to the ship, as it would also reduce its speed and maneuverabilty, and since it has no shields, that would be a bad thing.

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Wrong. No ones arguing that the empire removed hyperdrive from the TIE fighter to reduce cost, there arguing that, for private citizen/elite soldier use, it could easily be readded. And, btw, this has absolutely nothing to do with the ship not having enough "power" to use the hyperdrive.

AND, no ones arguing SPACE, either. Glue one to the outside of the ship. >=P

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A tie fighter is an imperial only flyable craft, so you wont see civillians using one.

Also, the TIE uses most of its power for the weaponds, it gets its power from the Solar Array wings on the craft that trasnfuse into the generator. The TIE doesnt even have the components to have a whole new setup for a hyperdrive navi comp (watch the movies, the pilot hardly has any space to turn his head). Also, a hyperdrive "slaped" on the outside of the hull would cause the TIE to be too bulky, and u know that ties rely on there speed and agilty to dodge enemy fire, the hyperdrive would cause to much interfearence and cause the tie to be easier to hit.

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EnterTheWookie wrote:

A tie fighter is an imperial only flyable craft, so you wont see civillians using one.

Also, the TIE uses most of its power for the weaponds, it gets its power from the Solar Array wings on the craft that trasnfuse into the generator. The TIE doesnt even have the components to have a whole new setup for a hyperdrive navi comp (watch the movies, the pilot hardly has any space to turn his head). Also, a hyperdrive "slaped" on the outside of the hull would cause the TIE to be too bulky, and u know that ties rely on there speed and agilty to dodge enemy fire, the hyperdrive would cause to much interfearence and cause the tie to be easier to hit.

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blaisedinsd wrote:

Just had to add that the TIE scout is carries 3 people, is designed to land in many places, have extra cargo space, etc.

It is a seperate TIE design made for a different purpose, hence themajor size difference and appearance. A hyperdrive added to a TIE fighter is a minor modification, Hyperdrives are a staple of most every ship come in many classes and sizes. A low class hyperdrive is not a big deal, why are the guardians of Starwars continuity so against it?

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Metroid wrote:

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EnterTheWookie wrote:

A tie fighter is an imperial only flyable craft, so you wont see civillians using one.

Also, the TIE uses most of its power for the weaponds, it gets its power from the Solar Array wings on the craft that trasnfuse into the generator. The TIE doesnt even have the components to have a whole new setup for a hyperdrive navi comp (watch the movies, the pilot hardly has any space to turn his head). Also, a hyperdrive "slaped" on the outside of the hull would cause the TIE to be too bulky, and u know that ties rely on there speed and agilty to dodge enemy fire, the hyperdrive would cause to much interfearence and cause the tie to be easier to hit.

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And JUST like your friend, I invite you to prove it. Prove the TIE fighter neither has the space nor the power capabilities to USE a hyperdrive if one was custom built for the craft, as any players ship will be in JTL.

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EnterTheWookie wrote:

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Metroid wrote:

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EnterTheWookie wrote:

A tie fighter is an imperial only flyable craft, so you wont see civillians using one.

Also, the TIE uses most of its power for the weaponds, it gets its power from the Solar Array wings on the craft that trasnfuse into the generator. The TIE doesnt even have the components to have a whole new setup for a hyperdrive navi comp (watch the movies, the pilot hardly has any space to turn his head). Also, a hyperdrive "slaped" on the outside of the hull would cause the TIE to be too bulky, and u know that ties rely on there speed and agilty to dodge enemy fire, the hyperdrive would cause to much interfearence and cause the tie to be easier to hit.

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And JUST like your friend, I invite you to prove it. Prove the TIE fighter neither has the space nor the power capabilities to USE a hyperdrive if one was custom built for the craft, as any players ship will be in JTL.

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The pilot hardly has enough room in the cockpit to turn his head in the first place. Also, to house a hyperdrive a cockpit would have to have the components to fit the moduls into the cockpit, and as stated above it doesnt have enough room. Dont forget the TIE would have to have a seperate hyperdrive generator inside the cockpit or underit to house the energy for the hyperdrive, which would feed off of the energy being used for the lasers and speed of the craft.

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JanGaarni wrote:

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EnterTheWookie wrote:

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JanGaarni wrote:

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EnterTheWookie wrote:

Actually your post didnt make sense at the end. In star wars anything can happen, to an extent. The energy required to even use a death star laser is enormous. The only non deathstar craft able to use one was the Eclips, a super super black star destroyer, and even then the laser wasnt as powerful as the death star. I dont think people would accept a TIE fighter flying around with a deathstar superlaser on its nose, could u imagin the turning ratio of a fighter like that? lol

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Actually, the Eclipse class is only just a tad shorter than the Executor class.

And the Death Star laser it had on it was a mini sized one, scaled down to fit into the hull of the ship.

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Info taken from "Star Wars: The Essential guide to Vehicals and Vessels"

"The eclipse was a new Super Star Destroyer that was a stunning 17.5 kilometers long: It was twice the size of the original Super Star Destroyer and over ten times the size of Imperial Star Destroyers"

Eclipse Length: 17.5 Kilometers

SSD (Executor)Length:8,000 meters

Star Destoryer length:1,600 meters

and also my point still stands that the only other craft besides a Death Star that could use a superlaser was the eclips. It was the only ship big enough and had enough power to use it (the Super Laser had its own generators that were quite large in the eclipes)

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The 8km lenght is a false lenght that WEG (west End Games) has kept alive. If you accept that the Executor is 8000 km long then the ISD cannot be 1.6 km long, cause the towers are equally large onall of them. That makes the Executor 17.6 km long.

Size can mean alot to. It can mean mass, which is more likely that it is, cause it is alot bulkier than the sleek, more flat Executor.

Even StarWars.com has upped the lenght to a more believable 12.8 km lenght on the Executor.

Message Edited by JanGaarni on 05-20-2004 01:24 AM

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