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Thread: Tie's have no hyperdrive
Headroom is different from "space in the cockpit". I am not talking about headroom, i amd talking about the space he had in the cockpit. He couldnt turn around, and to get out he pulls down a latter directly above him and climbs out. Find a picture of a TIE cockpit if u want proff.
Metroid wrote:
Prove it. Last time I watched the movies, the Tie fighters had plenty of headroom.
EnterTheWookie wrote:
Metroid wrote:
And JUST like your friend, I invite you to prove it. Prove the TIE fighter neither has the space nor the power capabilities to USE a hyperdrive if one was custom built for the craft, as any players ship will be in JTL.
EnterTheWookie wrote:
A tie fighter is an imperial only flyable craft, so you wont see civillians using one.
Also, the TIE uses most of its power for the weaponds, it gets its power from the Solar Array wings on the craft that trasnfuse into the generator. The TIE doesnt even have the components to have a whole new setup for a hyperdrive navi comp (watch the movies, the pilot hardly has any space to turn his head). Also, a hyperdrive "slaped" on the outside of the hull would cause the TIE to be too bulky, and u know that ties rely on there speed and agilty to dodge enemy fire, the hyperdrive would cause to much interfearence and cause the tie to be easier to hit.
The pilot hardly has enough room in the cockpit to turn his head in the first place. Also, to house a hyperdrive a cockpit would have to have the components to fit the moduls into the cockpit, and as stated above it doesnt have enough room. Dont forget the TIE would have to have a seperate hyperdrive generator inside the cockpit or underit to house the energy for the hyperdrive, which would feed off of the energy being used for the lasers and speed of the craft.
Metroid wrote:
And JUST like your friend, I invite you to prove it. Prove the TIE fighter neither has the space nor the power capabilities to USE a hyperdrive if one was custom built for the craft, as any players ship will be in JTL.
EnterTheWookie wrote:
A tie fighter is an imperial only flyable craft, so you wont see civillians using one.
Also, the TIE uses most of its power for the weaponds, it gets its power from the Solar Array wings on the craft that trasnfuse into the generator. The TIE doesnt even have the components to have a whole new setup for a hyperdrive navi comp (watch the movies, the pilot hardly has any space to turn his head). Also, a hyperdrive "slaped" on the outside of the hull would cause the TIE to be too bulky, and u know that ties rely on there speed and agilty to dodge enemy fire, the hyperdrive would cause to much interfearence and cause the tie to be easier to hit.
Link again:
http://galactic-voyage.com/Dark%20Side-Starfighters-Tie%20Lone%20Scout.htm
That's how it would look like, Metroid, once you had modified it. If it was at all possible, wouldn't you think it would look just like a TIE Fighter rather than that thing?
And to actually prove that the powersource on a TIE Fighter isn't powerfull enough is pretty much impossible as we don't know enough about the hyperdrives and exactly how it works. All we do know is that it involves a short but violent acceleration, and the powerconsumption to move an ISD into hyperspace once would equal more than most advanced nations by civilized planets would use in it's entire history. And that's not exactly a small amount of energy.
Why don't you try and prove it can be done? Without it no longer look like a TIE Fighter. And don't use JTL as proofcause they are just slapping it on without any such consideration. 
JanGaarni wrote:
Why don't you try and prove it can be done? Without it no longer look like a TIE Fighter. And don't use JTL as proofcause they are just slapping it on without any such consideration.
I don't have to, your the ones who want it changed, not me. Nice try dodging the question though. This isn't gradeschool. You can't go, "I asked you first!". You can't prove it, and neither can I, which means your no more "right" about the whole thing then anyone else.
I've tried logic, I've tried reasoning, neither of which seems to work with you. I've also explained how unbalanced it would be, which of course the response was "But, if they have the same components, THEY'LL BE IDENTIACL! HOW BORING!", which isn't even a response, it's mindless whining.
There's no way this arguement can be resolved without you people proving why TIE fighters couldn't have hyperdrive.
You can't.
We win.
Go away.
EnterTheWookie wrote:
JanGaarni wrote:
EnterTheWookie wrote:
JanGaarni wrote:
EnterTheWookie wrote:
Actually your post didnt make sense at the end. In star wars anything can happen, to an extent. The energy required to even use a death star laser is enormous. The only non deathstar craft able to use one was the Eclips, a super super black star destroyer, and even then the laser wasnt as powerful as the death star. I dont think people would accept a TIE fighter flying around with a deathstar superlaser on its nose, could u imagin the turning ratio of a fighter like that? lol
Actually, the Eclipse class is only just a tad shorter than the Executor class.
And the Death Star laser it had on it was a mini sized one, scaled down to fit into the hull of the ship.
Info taken from "Star Wars: The Essential guide to Vehicals and Vessels"
"The eclipse was a new Super Star Destroyer that was a stunning 17.5 kilometers long: It was twice the size of the original Super Star Destroyer and over ten times the size of Imperial Star Destroyers"
Eclipse Length: 17.5 Kilometers
SSD (Executor)Length:8,000 meters
Star Destoryer length:1,600 meters
and also my point still stands that the only other craft besides a Death Star that could use a superlaser was the eclips. It was the only ship big enough and had enough power to use it (the Super Laser had its own generators that were quite large in the eclipes)
The 8km lenght is a false lenght that WEG (west End Games) has kept alive. If you accept that the Executor is 8000 km long then the ISD cannot be 1.6 km long, cause the towers are equally large onall of them. That makes the Executor 17.6 km long.
Size can mean alot to. It can mean mass, which is more likely that it is, cause it is alot bulkier than the sleek, more flat Executor.
Even StarWars.com has upped the lenght to a more believable 12.8 km lenght on the Executor.
Message Edited by JanGaarni on 05-20-2004 01:24 AM
The bridges on most star desotryers are the same. Also, the infomation the guy has in his book was taken from the people who designed the ships (ISD, SSD, Eclipse) so they are pretty accurate. Also, 12.8km is still smaller then the Eclips 17.5
All canon proof suggest otherwise. Even the model used proves it to be around 17.6 km. That is if you accept that the ISD is 1.6 km long.
Metroid wrote:
JanGaarni wrote:
Why don't you try and prove it can be done? Without it no longer look like a TIE Fighter. And don't use JTL as proofcause they are just slapping it on without any such consideration.
I don't have to, your the ones who want it changed, not me. Nice try dodging the question though. This isn't gradeschool. You can't go, "I asked you first!". You can't prove it, and neither can I, which means your no more "right" about the whole thing then anyone else.
I've tried logic, I've tried reasoning, neither of which seems to work with you. I've also explained how unbalanced it would be, which of course the response was "But, if they have the same components, THEY'LL BE IDENTIACL! HOW BORING!", which isn't even a response, it's mindless whining.
There's no way this arguement can be resolved without you people proving why TIE fighters couldn't have hyperdrive.
You can't.
We win.
Go away.
What exactly do you want?
We have shown you
- Book writings on the tie fighter
- Pictures of the tie fighter
- movie references of the tie fighter
- examples of the space inside a tie fighter
- examples of how much space a hyperdrive would take out
- why the ties were not made with hyperdrives
Why are you so blind to this stuff we have been saying to you? You need to stop being so arrogent and look at what we are saying. Nothing you have said even makes sense u know "prove it can be done!" proved in how lucas wrote the story, "Well ties can have anything!" there is a limit in star wars, "Ties can have specially modified components attachted to them for civilian use!" Ties are imperials only, and the result would be a "tie scout". Also, the devs are the ones changing something here, not us.
Metroid wrote:
JanGaarni wrote:
Why don't you try and prove it can be done? Without it no longer look like a TIE Fighter. And don't use JTL as proofcause they are just slapping it on without any such consideration.
I don't have to, your the ones who want it changed, not me. Nice try dodging the question though. This isn't gradeschool. You can't go, "I asked you first!". You can't prove it, and neither can I, which means your no more "right" about the whole thing then anyone else.
I've tried logic, I've tried reasoning, neither of which seems to work with you. I've also explained how unbalanced it would be, which of course the response was "But, if they have the same components, THEY'LL BE IDENTIACL! HOW BORING!", which isn't even a response, it's mindless whining.
There's no way this arguement can be resolved without you people proving why TIE fighters couldn't have hyperdrive.
You can't.
We win.
Go away.
lol, but I have proved it, time and again.
look at the link again, if you have at all. Here, this is the third time it's posted:
http://galactic-voyage.com/Dark%20Side-Starfighters-Tie%20Lone%20Scout.htm
Just copy and paste it in your web browser addy section and hit enter.
Does that look like a TIE Fighter to you?
Now give me evidence that a Tie Fighter can be equipped with a hyperdrive and still look like a TIE Fighter.
And again, JTL doesn't count for obvious reasons.
You can't.
I win.
End of story.
Oh, and good night, I gotta go to bed. 
Was fun, but I'm dead tired now.
EnterTheWookie wrote:
We have shown you
- Book writings on the tie fighter
- Pictures of the tie fighter
- movie references of the tie fighter
- examples of the space inside a tie fighter
- examples of how much space a hyperdrive would take out
- why the ties were not made with hyperdrives
Why are you so blind to this stuff we have been saying to you? You need to stop being so arrogent and look at what we are saying. Nothing you have said even makes sense u know "prove it can be done!" proved in how lucas wrote the story, "Well ties can have anything!" there is a limit in star wars, "Ties can have specially modified components attachted to them for civilian use!" Ties are imperials only, and the result would be a "tie scout". Also, the devs are the ones changing something here, not us.
None of which proved TIE fighters couldn't support a hyperdrive.
Why the mindless attempts to change subject? If your so hardpressed to your cause, prove why a TIE fighter couldn't support a custom built hyperdrive.
Go ahead. You know you can't.
where are u getting the km from?
The eclips is 17.5 km.
the Executer is 8,000 METERS
The ISD is 1,600 METERS
EnterTheWookie wrote:
where are u getting the km from?
The eclips is 17.5 km.
the Executer is 8,000 METERS
The ISD is 1,600 METERS
Eclipse: 17.5 km
Executor: 17.6 if you go here http://www.theforce.net/swtc/ssd5mile.html
12.8 if you go here http://www.starwars.com/databank/starship/superstardestroyer/index.html
Deoending on which one you find to ne most accurate.
But it is definatly not 8 km long.
ISD: 1.6 km agreed upon by most Star Wars references, except X-wing vs. Tie Fighter for some reason.
Or was it Tie Fighter game? One of the 2 anyway.
Well on that same note, A Wings have no Hyperdrive either, and there is no TIE Advanced at this time line. They just barely came out with the TIE Interceptor in our time line.
And I read the YT-1300 has the two turrets, one on top, one on bottom. To bad those are extra modifications from the stock YT-1300 ships. The Falcon had them added later.
EnterTheWookie wrote:
The tie wasnt built to support a hyperdrive, even a custom one would make the tie useless since it has no shields, and the mass of the cockpit is being taken up by generators for the weaponds and engine. Actually now i really dont care if you say its not proff, its apparent you are just very argumentive and dont like it when people dont agree with you.
JanGaarni wrote:
EnterTheWookie wrote:
where are u getting the km from?
The eclips is 17.5 km.
the Executer is 8,000 METERS
The ISD is 1,600 METERS
Eclipse: 17.5 km
Executor: 17.6 if you go here http://www.theforce.net/swtc/ssd5mile.html
12.8 if you go here http://www.starwars.com/databank/starship/superstardestroyer/index.html
Deoending on which one you find to ne most accurate.
But it is definatly not 8 km long.
ISD: 1.6 km agreed upon by most Star Wars references, except X-wing vs. Tie Fighter for some reason.
Or was it Tie Fighter game? One of the 2 anyway.
Metroid wrote:
EnterTheWookie wrote:
The tie wasnt built to support a hyperdrive, even a custom one would make the tie useless since it has no shields, and the mass of the cockpit is being taken up by generators for the weaponds and engine. Actually now i really dont care if you say its not proff, its apparent you are just very argumentive and dont like it when people dont agree with you.
This is the problem. This is why your nothing more then an irritation, and you prove over and over you have no common sense.
IT DOES NOT MATTER IF THE SHIP WAS OR WASN'T BUILT FOR HYPERDRIVE. We are debating wether or not a TIE fighter, owned by a PLAYER who is NOT a clone in the Imperial navy, could have one CUSTOM BUILT FOR HIS TIE.
You CANNOT prove a TIE could not support a hyperdrive.
Try again.
i already did. People can only do certain things do there ships in JLS, i doubt a person could add a hyperdrive modulator to a ship that doesnt have a place for it now can he? hmmm? come on, tell me. Prove to ME that a person can do that in the game? or can you? Have you ever even heard of a tie fighter or adv with a hyperdrive slaped on its behind? Well? have you? wheres the link or proff? Come now, we have all been giving you links and examples, yet you havent done anything to support your reasones.
So go ahead, prove that they can. Come on, im waiting.