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Thread: Cloak may be nerfed according to Helios
RustemGT wrote:
God so once again the whining of those who go MLS MDEF wins out.. Just because someone else has a cool toy you don't it has to be nerfed. Gee guys thanks for ruining my fun... guess I shoudl start grinding MLS now eh?
It really was more the BHs and other non-combat PvP folks, GCW finatics and jealous loot losers that brought this on. I don't think the MLS/MDef guys wanted this nerf on their fellow Jedi brethern.
But the effect will be to drive most smart Jedi to the FOTM MLS/Master Defender or MLS/Master Enhancer templates. You'd be nuts to do anything else.
I'm staying Master Powers. Why, you ask?
Because knowing SOE, the next templates to nerf will be defenders and sabers.
Now that force wielder is broken and there's nothing left to NERF, unless they NERF choke, which they won't do unless they want another exodus, they will work on breaking the other FOTM templates. Spinning lairs was never intended to be the way for jedi to grind and I can guarantee you that you WILL be nerfed.
So, regrinding my template to master defender or master sabers is just pointless because soon they will be just as broken.
Yoiaholic1 wrote:
After reading that I don't see anything wrong with the way they are handling cloak.
IF and its a big if, it gets a snare I would have no problem with that. I'm a master defender and my most powerful ability has a snare and huge force cost....
Compare AI and cloak. They are both similar as when activated you will not be killed (or attacked in cloaks case). Why should I have my master skill gimped to the point of being nearly unusable and someone with the 4th tier dabbler box be able to escape any battle in the same manner that AI was used for previously.
If the snare is bothering you I don't get it. You might move slower but you still cannot be attacked. Either way, you'll get away or rest long enough to fight again.
The restriction on healing I like as well. Jedi healing does not show up on the combat log and it is really disheartening to see someone being healed by a cloaked jedi during pvp. As soon as I see that, its time to area attack. If you want to assist your friends you should be vulnerable much like healing receives aggro in pve.
Where were all the non defenders screaming when AI was diminished? I don't think the powers users should expect sympathy either.
You can be attacked while cloaked, with no need to use area attacks. As u clearly don't know what u are talking about,pls shut up.thanks
CuchulainnDarklight wrote:
Perhaps you should think harder.
Whilst under cloak, move away, even while snared you can still move and you can get quite a distance away. Or you could camp and watch as the Bh runs of in the direction he THINKS you are going. I have no problem getting away from BHs when I want to, its called force run, try that.
Anyone else who has been snared has learnt away around it by now, why dont you try?
My turn to chime in and tell someone they do not know what they are talking about. There is about an 80% my droid is still active when you cloak and will give me an update inless than a minute of your location. Even if by chance my droid lost target all I have to do is pop a seeker and be on you in a minute. No one that cloaks is ever getting away from me after this publish unless they go swimming in abig lake or are extremely lucky.
Nerfing cloak was stupid, they should let all jedi that havea respec that have a the tree. It's wrong to nerf ANYTHING and the Jedi should not stay and fight if they do not want to. All this coming from a BH.
I ask the question once again since it was ignored previously CAN YOU LOG OUT CLOAKED? That might seem the only alternative left for you guys.....the nerfs gotta stop, all they do is cause problems.
Message Edited by TonieStark on 09-18-2005 08:35 AM
RustemGT wrote:
God so once again the whining of those who go MLS MDEF wins out.. Just because someone else has a cool toy you don't it has to be nerfed. Gee guys thanks for ruining my fun... guess I shoudl start grinding MLS now eh?
Hey I'm one of these MD people without Cloak, and I'm right beside you fighting to stop any nerf...
/wink
Diana
And was he moving slower than someone crawling on the ground, or walking at normal speed?
Snare (like AI Snare) reduces your movement to the speed of moving while prone. I didn't seen Obi-Wan moving this slow....
Unless you really understand how major of an impact this nerf is, you should probably not comment, or everyone here will just chalk you up as one of the 'nerf whiners' that bring this stuff to the game.
DianaPrince wrote:
When Obi-Wan was going through the Death Star, was he running around? No, he was walking. Convincing people that you're not there requires contant focus, and a lot of willpower. This saps your ability to run full speed. That's the "realism" argument
And was he moving slower than someone crawling on the ground, or walking at normal speed?
Snare (like AI Snare) reduces your movement to the speed of moving while prone. I didn't seen Obi-Wan moving this slow....
Unless you really understand how major of an impact this nerf is, you should probably not comment, or everyone here will just chalk you up as one of the 'nerf whiners' that bring this stuff to the game.
More over did we ever see old ben run? You cant say its because he was using mind trick, and besides cloak is not a mind trick. When you use it it tells you you wrap yourself in a cloak of force, doesnt say a thing abotu affecting anyone around you. And for those of you who support these nerfs, i give it one month before the nerf bat hits mdef.
I've already said that I support only a "reasonable" snare. a snare like that which is given to AI would be too much, and I would stand up to protest against that. I also think that the bugs with cloak needs to be fixed. But a reasonable snare makes alot of sense.
Drazharr wrote:
Agreed. But I'll betcha' the cloak nerf is gonna be just as bad as the Avoid Incap nerf. And if it is, Phenix, you have to admit that it will make cloak just as useless as Avoid Incap.
Give us that one, at least man.
Well I always picked PVp templates that everyone said I would get Pawned using pre CU I was PVPing with a Mastr DOC Master Sword & I made it work after everyon said defense stacker was the way to go.
Then when I got my jedi I said hey I havn't heard about anyone with this template.
Master Powers Enhancer 4004 Defender 0040 Healer 4000 & LS 0400
Everyone said I would get owned & I made it work. I kinda like making what the FOTM people would call an unusable template a winning template & this nerf on cloak will just make my victory's that much more sweet.
I'd rather not have the nerf, but I'll make due with it like I always have.
DaTick wrote:
Well I always picked PVp templates that everyone said I would get Pawned using pre CU I was PVPing with a Mastr DOC Master Sword & I made it work after everyon said defense stacker was the way to go.
Then when I got my jedi I said hey I havn't heard about anyone with this template.
Master Powers Enhancer 4004 Defender 0040 Healer 4000 & LS 0400
Everyone said I would get owned & I made it work. I kinda like making what the FOTM people would call an unusable template a winning template & this nerf on cloak will just make my victory's that much more sweet.
I'd rather not have the nerf, but I'll make due with it like I always have.
I have the almost the same template, and like I said I won't switch from Powers. I never quit from MBH for 2 years even when it was the laughing stock profession of SWG.
The problem is not just this nerf to cloak. It's that this nerf to cloak will only compound on the already basic problems a powers jedi has to deal with. Why should we be forced to keep managing to deal with every problem the devs throw at us? Okay nerf cloak, but how about give us some accuracy or more damage, or no zip bars?
Throw us a bone here. It doesn't even have to have any meat on it. Just give us the something, please.
I wonder when the choke nerf is gonna happen?