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Thread: Cloak may be nerfed according to Helios
CuchulainnDarklight wrote:
Drazharr wrote:
CuchulainnDarklight wrote:
Drazharr wrote:
Phenix1050 wrote:
is anybody forcing you to drop cloak? no. Then you don't HAVE to regrind. You have no idea of exactly what's going to happen to the skill, so don't react until we have more specific information about the degree of change, honestly.
jokerbacca wrote:
Yup, regrind 3.2 MILLION JEDI XP. and then wait another month to have to regrind another wait a sec I see a pattern here...................
Agreed. But I'll betcha' the cloak nerf is gonna be just as bad as the Avoid Incap nerf. And if it is, Phenix, you have to admit that it will make cloak just as useless as Avoid Incap.
Give us that one, at least man.
Actually it wont be useless, unless, you rely mostly on it, in which case the problem lies with your playstyle. Try to use ALL of your template to accomplish things, puttting all your hopes on one thing isa recipe for disaster.
OK, bro, I'm a MLS/MP/4040 Healer. Just how am I gonna compensate for a cloak snare? I don't have force run. What frickin' playstyle change can I make? If I use cloak under the new system, I just stand there like a slow-moving statue until my force runs out, then I die.
Better think harder before making a reply like this.
Message Edited by Drazharr on 09-17-2005 11:58 PM
Perhaps you should think harder.
Whilst under cloak, move away, even while snared you can still move and you can get quite a distance away. Or you could camp and watch as the Bh runs of in the direction he THINKS you are going. I have no problem getting away from BHs when I want to, its called force run, try that.
Anyone else who has been snared has learnt away around it by now, why dont you try?
How can I try Force Run in a MLS/MP/4040 Healer template? What do you suggest that I give up to get Force Run? Healing? Without any Defender, I'm dead if I do that.
Give up MLS? Since Powers is gimped even before this cloak nerf, I gotta keep MLS.
Stop with your generic, patrician playstyle platitudes, man.This cloak nerf is bad news and when every good Jedi becomes a MLS/Master Defender or MLS/Master Enhancer,maybe then you'll realize it.
You're just wrong, man. Just plain wrong.
Kycia wrote:
great changes!
no more laming with cloak and no more dwb looters /cheer
Lol, the vast majority of Jedi don't do those things. SWG is swatting a fly with a hammer here.
Drazharr wrote:
Perhaps you should think harder.
Whilst under cloak, move away, even while snared you can still move and you can get quite a distance away. Or you could camp and watch as the Bh runs of in the direction he THINKS you are going. I have no problem getting away from BHs when I want to, its called force run, try that.
Anyone else who has been snared has learnt away around it by now, why dont you try?
How can I try Force Run in a MLS/MP/4040 Healer template? What do you suggest that I give up to get Force Run? Healing? Without any Defender, I'm dead if I do that.
Give up MLS? Since Powers is gimped even before this cloak nerf, I gotta keep MLS.
Stop with your generic, patrician playstyle platitudes, man.This cloak nerf is bad news and when every good Jedi becomes a MLS/Master Defender or MLS/Master Enhancer,maybe then you'll realize it.
You're just wrong, man. Just plain wrong.
I didnt say you needed to use force run, i gave you examples of how you could still use it, ever hear of burst run? The point is you have to come up with other methods now, if you cant, well i couldnt care less.
Shender wrote:
cmreeves wrote:
Another GAY NERF for Master Powers users again. While you are at it just remove Jedi, how about that. You Dev's have already ruined the game enough.
Then don't play. You are obviously wasting your money. Plus, I really hate seeing so many "I HATE SOE BECAUSE THEY NERF EVERYTHING" type posts, and since you are a contributing factor, it only sweetens SWG for me.
CuchulainnDarklight wrote:
Drazharr wrote:
Perhaps you should think harder.
Whilst under cloak, move away, even while snared you can still move and you can get quite a distance away. Or you could camp and watch as the Bh runs of in the direction he THINKS you are going. I have no problem getting away from BHs when I want to, its called force run, try that.
Anyone else who has been snared has learnt away around it by now, why dont you try?
How can I try Force Run in a MLS/MP/4040 Healer template? What do you suggest that I give up to get Force Run? Healing? Without any Defender, I'm dead if I do that.
Give up MLS? Since Powers is gimped even before this cloak nerf, I gotta keep MLS.
Stop with your generic, patrician playstyle platitudes, man.This cloak nerf is bad news and when every good Jedi becomes a MLS/Master Defender or MLS/Master Enhancer,maybe then you'll realize it.
You're just wrong, man. Just plain wrong.
Your quite funny!
I didnt say you needed to use force run, i gave you examples of how you could still use it, ever hear of burst run? The point is you have to come up with other methods now, if you cant, well i couldnt care less.
I dont have cloak and i dont need cloak to get away from those BHs I cant defeat. Perhaps you should pick a FUN template and PLAY it rather than trying to get a template which will make you rule in every area.
Hell, your so stupid your complaining about a snare, yet, you are talking as if its a root (and you dont even know the severity of the snare), if you cant separate those 2 terms, hahahaha, youll need more than force cloak to survive.
Let's just agree to disagree, friend. You don't have cloak and you have Force Run. I have cloak and I don't have force run. With this nerf, you must have Force Run if you have cloak. As a MLS/MP/4040 Healer, that's gonna be devastating to my template.
My template is fun now. I don't "rule" now and I never have. But I did and do have fun, even with the healing nerf, which has made my template a lot harder to play.
But with this cloak nerf, my template will be impossible and I won't have fun.
Is that what you really want to do to me and many, many other Jedi? Do you want to take away our fun?
CuchulainnDarklight wrote:
Drazharr wrote:
Phenix1050 wrote:
is anybody forcing you to drop cloak? no. Then you don't HAVE to regrind. You have no idea of exactly what's going to happen to the skill, so don't react until we have more specific information about the degree of change, honestly.
jokerbacca wrote:
Yup, regrind 3.2 MILLION JEDI XP. and then wait another month to have to regrind another wait a sec I see a pattern here...................
Agreed. But I'll betcha' the cloak nerf is gonna be just as bad as the Avoid Incap nerf. And if it is, Phenix, you have to admit that it will make cloak just as useless as Avoid Incap.
Give us that one, at least man.
Actually it wont be useless, unless, you rely mostly on it, in which case the problem lies with your playstyle. Try to use ALL of your template to accomplish things, puttting all your hopes on one thing isa recipe for disaster.
You don't get it.
I would use ALL of my template if my template had anything else to offer.
I play POWERS jedi because I just want to have fun in game. I like the force lightning and choke. To me that's what adark jedi is all about. However, in this game, FORCE WIELDER is seriously broken.
First, I have a crap saber that does no damage because of no pearls.
Second, All my good skills require me to stop moving ALREADY - dam warm up zip bars.
Third, cloak is meant to be an escape mechansim becuse of the OBVIOUS fact that Powers jedi are not tanks or damage dealers.
We needed that skill and they took it away from us. Now what do I have?
I have a whole bunch of powers abilities that use up way too much force already and the best ones all have zip bars forcing me to root myself in position.
So how do I make a get away now?
I can't stand up to most MBH with my template because of a broken saber and terrible force cost and low damage already. Now my escape move is gone.
Don't tell me to change my template cus I'm not going to. Like I said, I play powers because it's a true dark jedi template and I stick with it throughjust likeI stayed MBH for 2 years even when it was the most broken proff in game. Don't call me a whiner cus I'm not. These are FACTS! Plain and simple.
CuchulainnDarklight wrote:
Drazharr wrote:
CuchulainnDarklight wrote:
Drazharr wrote:
Phenix1050 wrote:
is anybody forcing you to drop cloak? no. Then you don't HAVE to regrind. You have no idea of exactly what's going to happen to the skill, so don't react until we have more specific information about the degree of change, honestly.
jokerbacca wrote:
Yup, regrind 3.2 MILLION JEDI XP. and then wait another month to have to regrind another wait a sec I see a pattern here...................
Agreed. But I'll betcha' the cloak nerf is gonna be just as bad as the Avoid Incap nerf. And if it is, Phenix, you have to admit that it will make cloak just as useless as Avoid Incap.
Give us that one, at least man.
Actually it wont be useless, unless, you rely mostly on it, in which case the problem lies with your playstyle. Try to use ALL of your template to accomplish things, puttting all your hopes on one thing is a recipe for disaster.
OK, bro, I'm a MLS/MP/4040 Healer. Just how am I gonna compensate for a cloak snare? I don't have force run. What frickin' playstyle change can I make? If I use cloak under the new system, I just stand there like a slow-moving statue until my force runs out, then I die.
Better think harder before making a reply like this.
Message Edited by Drazharr on 09-17-2005 11:58 PM
Perhaps you should think harder.Whilst under cloak, move away, even while snared you can still move and you can get quite a distance away. Or you could camp and watch as the Bh runs of in the direction he THINKS you are going. I have no problem getting away from BHs when I want to, its called force run, try that.Anyone else who has been snared has learnt away around it by now, why dont you try?
He doesn't have force run can't you read?
Uneshoof wrote:I will accept the changes to cloak and stop posting here if the following things also happen...1. Remove all warm up zip bars from theForce Wieldertrees.2. Significant force cost reductions.3. Significant damage upgrade to abilities.4. More accuracy and defense.5. Give us all at least 2 flawless pearls that tune perfectly.If these improvements are made then we actually won't need cloak anyway.
QFE
Uneshoof wrote:
I will accept the changes to cloak and stop posting here if the following things also happen...
1. Remove all warm up zip bars from theForce Wieldertrees.
2. Significant force cost reductions.
3. Significant damage upgrade to abilities.
4. More accuracy and defense.
5. Give us all at least 2 flawless pearls that tune perfectly.
If these improvements are made then we actually won't need cloak anyway.
If you get 1-4..... what would you need 5 for?
Algren_Earth-Stormer wrote:
Uneshoof wrote:
I will accept the changes to cloak and stop posting here if the following things also happen...
1. Remove all warm up zip bars from theForce Wieldertrees.
2. Significant force cost reductions.
3. Significant damage upgrade to abilities.
4. More accuracy and defense.
5. Give us all at least 2 flawless pearls that tune perfectly.
If these improvements are made then we actually won't need cloak anyway.
If you get 1-4..... what would you need 5 for?
LOL!
You're right 5 was just for good luck, ya know. It never hurts to ask. LOL!
Uneshoof wrote:
I will accept the changes to cloak and stop posting here if the following things also happen...
1. Remove all warm up zip bars from theForce Wieldertrees.
2. Significant force cost reductions.
3. Significant damage upgrade to abilities.
4. More accuracy and defense.
5. Give us all at least 2 flawless pearls that tune perfectly.
If these improvements are made then we actually won't need cloak anyway.
Oh man, do I agree with this poster!
But friend, you know in your heart this will never happen.