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Thread: Sign if you think Healer should get buffs and rez
Eh. Sure. Ignore almost every feature of MCM and MBH have and try to tell us abilities such as "Force Shock" and "Force Cure Disease" is a big deal.
HS wrote:
ha ha
MASTER HEALER
all defens = 0
Force healing (1500)
Force infusion (HOT)
Force Extinguish (remove fire)
Force Wound heal
Force Sap (-% regen rates)
Force shock (reduction state defenses)
Force cure disease (remove disease)
Force cure poison (remove poison)
Heal states (remove all negative effects /stun, dizzy, blind, intimidate/
Stop bleeding
Total heals
SP cost = 89
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MASTER DEFENDER
Ranged Defens = 215 (+25) = 240
Melee Defens = 235 (+25) = 260
State defens +65
Innate armor +50 (5000)
Force aura
Avoid incap
SP cost = 89
Total cost for two profession = 172 SP________________________________________
well.....
MBH+MCM
Melee defens = 145 (+50) = 195
ranged defense = 170 (+50) = 220
healing eff = 80 (it's a restore 1000 hp) (+25)=105 (1220 hp)
DOT's = yes, 250-320 for tic (1tic in 10 sec)
Total cost for two profession = 213......
jedi always cry
no forcebar
2 minutes strongsnare
2 minutes 50% action debuff
2 minutes -40 combatspeed debuff
2 minutes 50% stateresist debuff
25 seconds Paralyze
Up to 8000 energy mitigating armorbreak sliced recon armor
Up to 7000mitigating armorbreak slicedbattle armor
3 separate heals on different timers
+250 defense from parry riposte stance
65m kinetic damage
One x2.0 shotat 65m (Torso Shot)
One x2.25 shotat 65m (Critical Shot)
Stunattack at 65m
Bleedattack at 65m
Dizzyattack at 65m
Blindattack at 65m
Knockdown attack at 65m
Cone Attack
+40 Burstrun Efficiency
+40 Terrain Negotiation
Progettista wrote:Even anakin skywalker couldn't heal other jedi from death in the clone wars, why should you guys?
Because we pay 15 Bucks for it, Anakin not.
LMAO
Eh. Sure. Ignore almost every feature of MCM and MBH have and try to tell us abilities such as "Force Shock" and "Force Cure Disease" is a big deal.
no forcebar
2 minutes strongsnare
2 minutes 50% action debuff
2 minutes 50% mind debuff
2 minutes -40 combatspeed debuff
2 minutes 50% stateresist debuff
25 seconds Paralyze
Up to 8000 energy mitigating armorbreak sliced recon armor
Up to 7000mitigating armorbreak slicedbattle armor
3 separate heals on different timers
+250 defense from parry riposte stance
65m kinetic damage
One x2.0 shotat 65m (Torso Shot)
One x2.25 shotat 65m (Critical Shot)
Stunattack at 65m
Bleedattack at 65m
Dizzyattack at 65m
Blindattack at 65m
Knockdown attack at 65m
Cone Attack
+40 Burstrun Efficiency
+40 Terrain Negotiation
And why not pick up 0004 Pistoleer on top of this to get a 65m Root and a second cone attack in addition to the other advantages.
MBH MCM not use recon armor /use assault and battle/ battle, ifnot RIS, 6500 max energy state...
parry riposite stance??....hmmm.....i known only Duelist stance. work 30 sec
Jedi use force aura +500 defense
AB.....work on AB sliced armor......reduction armor resist states -25%
3 separate heals???..you joke?? bacta spray not use in PvP....heals all, include opponent......
use only bacta shot+bacta toss+stim's
Jedi have too 2 separate heals +stim's
Message Edited by HS on 10-10-2005 07:11 PM
Marrow1 wrote:I play a m. healer as well as a doc.No. I do not think Healer should get revive. Jedi have never had this skill and I do not think they ever should. There needs to be a reason for non-Jedi and Jedi to work together when doing high end content. Revive is on of the key skill sets that serves this purpose. Without it there is one less reason to have an all jedi group.Yes. I do think M. Healer should get some type of buff. However, it should not be one that is already in the game. Some ideas are:1. A debuff resist buff2. A force regen buff3. Root/snare/kd resist buff4. An incap time reduction buffIf any of these were added to healer the value of healer would be much higher.Overall I would like to see Healer be unique in its skill set and not just a knock off of Doc/CM.
Not to flame in anyway whats so ever, but don't you think Enhancer should get buffs like these? After all, the point of Enhancer is to "enhance."
I disagree.
Marrow1 wrote:
I play a m. healer as well as a doc.
No. I do not think Healer should get revive. Jedi have never had this skill and I do not think they ever should. There needs to be a reason for non-Jedi and Jedi to work together when doing high end content. Revive is on of the key skill sets that serves this purpose. Without it there is one less reason to have an all jedi group.
Yes. I do think M. Healer should get some type of buff. However, it should not be one that is already in the game. Some ideas are:
1. A debuff resist buff
2. A force regen buff
3. Root/snare/kd resist buff
4. An incap time reduction buff
If any of these were added to healer the value of healer would be much higher.
Overall I would like to see Healer be unique in its skill set and not just a knock off of Doc/CM.
Debuffing is the role of Combat Medics, and it's their greatest role. Debuffing others as Jediis the role of Force Wielders.
Message Edited by MsNiL on 10-10-2005 06:22 PM
MsNiL wrote:
I disagree.
Buffing other playersis the unique role of Doctors. Only they should have the ability to buff other players.
Buffing self as Jedi is the role of Enhancers, and what makes them unique. Only they should have the ability to buff themselves like this.
I agree that only docs should be able to apply doc buffs. Hence the reason I suggest the creation of other style buffs.
Debuffing is the role of Combat Medics, and it's their greatest role. Debuffing others as Jediis the role of Force Wielders.
Umm, last I checked SAP was a debuff and is in Healer. I even think you noted that in a post on this thread.
The ability to revive is the power for masters, such as . Master Combat Medic, Master Healer and Master Doctor.
I was not happy with CM getting a form of revive. I would be even less so if Jedi got it.
If there's one thing I would like to see for Master Force Healer, it's strong grouphealing powers and the ability to do so. This includes Healing Aura, Rapid Regeneration, plus protective powers such as Sanctuary or Force Defense that hampers damage output (-99% damage output & snare)but empowers effective healing while also increasing defense.
As an alternative, Master Healers can completely be converted to a Group Booster, similar to Squad Leader, who can buff their entire group with various effects, making them a very strong and attractive support template.
Group Booster??? sounds like a buff to me, a buff to others infact. The only difference is the method of application. I would rather Healers us a Doc styleapplication than a SL. Just seems more natural to me.
Message Edited by MsNiL on 10-10-200506:22 PM
Not saying 'more power to Jedi' .... just give us the powers they have in the movies - that's always my angleMessage Edited by Prefect42 on 10-10-2005 09:47 AM
Marrow1 wrote:
Debuffing is the role of Combat Medics, and it's their greatest role. Debuffing others as Jediis the role of Force Wielders.
Umm, last I checked SAP was a debuff and is in Healer. I even think you noted that in a post on this thread.
I am aware of that. And what I meant was that SAP/SHOCK does not belong in Master Force Healer IMO, and I give my consent to replace them with something more fitting for the role. Ofcourse, that's only my personal opinion, and all Healers do not have to agree. As a Master Healer I have only felt the 0040 line being used by dabblers and not too helpful for masters since SAP was nerfed. And why would a Master Healer want Shock anyway... They do not have Thyroid Rupture, Electrolyte Drain, Deuterium Toss, Infect, Neurotoxin, Traumatize, Hemorrhage or Paralyze to apply on targets, so Shock was probably the least useful combatmedic debuff to give them, if any.
Group Booster??? sounds like a buff to me, a buff to others infact. The only difference is the method of application. I would rather Healers us a Doc styleapplication than a SL. Just seems more natural to me.
The Doc Buff is a "permanent" form of steroids that sticks with the individual even when the buffed character moves away on his own. Thus, a such buff is efficient for a Bounty Hunter who needs to do a mission, a Ranger who needs to scout and harvest, or a group of players who for some reason do not want to take a Doctor with them on whatever they are doing.
The kind of "buffs" a groupbuffing Jedi would have is more an "Aura" than a buff. That means it's automaticly applied as long as someone is within a certain distance of the Jedi, or at least in the same group. If the groupmembers move outside the "Area" the buff is removed at once.
The penalty to this kind of buffs is ofcourse that the Jedi must stay with the group, and if she dies, the buff is lost.
HS wrote:
MBH MCM not use recon armor /use assault and battle/ battle, ifnot RIS, 6500 max energy state...
I meant assault. I am tired. Sue me. They still have massive armor for no extra skillpoints.
parry riposite stance??....hmmm.....i known only Duelist stance. work 30 sec
I am tired.
Jedi use force aura +500 defense
Only thoose who have the 28 skillpoints left to purchase it. Master Force Healers do not neccessary get Aura. I do not have it for example.
AB.....work on AB sliced armor......reduction armor resist states -25%
Major difference compared with innate armor.
3 separate heals???..you joke?? bacta spray not use in PvP....heals all, include opponent......
Worked a few weeks ago as far as I remember.
use only bacta shot+bacta toss+stim's
Jedi have too 2 separate heals +stim's
Master Force Healer have 2 separate heals where one is so costly that it's not traditionally used in combat (or rather, should not be used at all becouse it takes so much force it kills a Jedi off prematurely.