Jedi Archive
Thread: DWB Exploiters are going to get Cloak NERFED
antares_Kauri wrote:
Cafa wrote:
If SBDs spawning hurts your game, play better.
I'm staying out of the rest of the discussion, but for this comment: come on. If there are a dozen SBDs spawned because of someone doing this and groups cannot access the rest of the bunker because of it until the next server reset days later, this is your response? "Play better"?
antares
Well we each have our opinions. I've taken on the wildest spawns down there with two groups of good players. I mean 3 solid hours of fighting. I've also seen nights where the SBDs weren't that bad. I don't need to yell nerf to solve my gameplay.
Fivo Asia
Kurso wrote:
I wish I could. Being that they are cloaked I can't even get the names of the people doing it. Can't target. Nothing in combat log. All you see are the effects of FR and tons of SBDs mysteriously headed your way...
Cafa wrote:
I don't need to yell nerf to solve my gameplay.
Being able to take on several waves of SBDs and having your groups blocked by dozens of them is different. There are solutions that don't involve nerfs, but you don't seem to support those either, instead, you're supporting the crippling of others' gameplay.
antares
So if a game mechanic is broken but does not directly effect you you don't want it fixed? Thats pretty selfish.
Because you are NOT TALKING ABOUT SPECIFIC BEHAVIOR. You are talking about nerfing an entire community to solve the problem of a few players, probably not even on my server.
Most of the people using cloak are rebels on my server, and I'm anything but that. I still say that the power should stay where it is. It makes things more interesting to fight those opponents and I don't need to nerf them to enjoy them as opponents.
The same argument you espouse was what got ATSTs nerfed the first time. I never once even visited the krayt graveyard and my ATSTs were nerfed because of whiners griping about a very small percentage of the playerbase doing that.
How about this, REMOVE the DWB. That would solve the problem.
Fivo Asia
I've started to use the /who command. But if there are multiple cloakers down there it's impossible to tell which one is doing it to you. Last time this happend there were 3 cloakers. Luckily we got a CSR to witness who was doing it to us.
Phenix1050 wrote:
Kurso wrote:
I wish I could. Being that they are cloaked I can't even get the names of the people doing it. Can't target. Nothing in combat log. All you see are the effects of FR and tons of SBDs mysteriously headed your way...
have you tried calling a Ranger? If the Ranger areatracks right outside the DWB, he might be able to find the Jedi that's cloaked inside.
good thinking.
Kurso wrote:
I've started to use the /who command. But if there are multiple cloakers down there it's impossible to tell which one is doing it to you. Last time this happend there were 3 cloakers. Luckily we got a CSR to witness who was doing it to us.
Phenix1050 wrote:
Kurso wrote:
I wish I could. Being that they are cloaked I can't even get the names of the people doing it. Can't target. Nothing in combat log. All you see are the effects of FR and tons of SBDs mysteriously headed your way...
have you tried calling a Ranger? If the Ranger areatracks right outside the DWB, he might be able to find the Jedi that's cloaked inside.
Phenix1050 wrote:
The real problem here is people who use an exploit to be perma-cloaked. Even at 0 force, they can stay cloaked. That means they can loot as long as they want, kick up infinate spawns and get all the loot without worrying. AFAIK, getting and staying cloaked in a room full of SBDs is impossible with the force drain. You'll die eventually. What's really bad is the people that don't get uncloaked and can kick up infinate spawns for other people.
You don't need to stay in the room with the SBDs. Thats the problem. They draw the SBDs and other NPCs to any group that is down there so the agro is off them. They can then find a spot with no NPCs and regen force and do it all over again.
Kurso wrote:
So if a game mechanic is broken but does not directly effect you you don't want it fixed? Thats pretty selfish.
Because you are NOT TALKING ABOUT SPECIFIC BEHAVIOR. You are talking about nerfing an entire community to solve the problem of a few players, probably not even on my server.
Most of the people using cloak are rebels on my server, and I'm anything but that. I still say that the power should stay where it is. It makes things more interesting to fight those opponents and I don't need to nerf them to enjoy them as opponents.
The same argument you espouse was what got ATSTs nerfed the first time. I never once even visited the krayt graveyard and my ATSTs were nerfed because of whiners griping about a very small percentage of the playerbase doing that.
How about this, REMOVE the DWB. That would solve the problem.
Fivo Asia
You know, Guaarr has a cloaker BH that likes to kill jedi incapped on a lair. You don't see us whining about it on these forums. He's come after me and mine many MULTIPLE times some days. Sometimes he wins, sometimes we win, and sometimes it's a draw.
I think XP loss effects gameplay a lot more than your supposed SBD issues. But we play the game, and work within our abilities, and don't ask the devs to solve our problems with other players causing XP loss.
I'd say selfish is you yelling to nerf an entire community so you can have loot.
Fivo Asia
Cafa wrote:
Kurso wrote:
So if a game mechanic is broken but does not directly effect you you don't want it fixed? Thats pretty selfish.
Because you are NOT TALKING ABOUT SPECIFIC BEHAVIOR. You are talking about nerfing an entire community to solve the problem of a few players, probably not even on my server.
Most of the people using cloak are rebels on my server, and I'm anything but that. I still say that the power should stay where it is. It makes things more interesting to fight those opponents and I don't need to nerf them to enjoy them as opponents.
The same argument you espouse was what got ATSTs nerfed the first time. I never once even visited the krayt graveyard and my ATSTs were nerfed because of whiners griping about a very small percentage of the playerbase doing that.
How about this, REMOVE the DWB. That would solve the problem.
Fivo Asia
You know, Guaarr has a cloaker BH that likes to kill jedi incapped on a lair. You don't see us whining about it on these forums. He's come after me and mine many MULTIPLE times some days. Sometimes he wins, sometimes we win, and sometimes it's a draw.
I think XP loss effects gameplay a lot more than your supposed SBD issues. But we play the game, and work within our abilities, and don't ask the devs to solve our problems with other players causing XP loss.
I'd say selfish is you yelling to nerf an entire community so you can have loot.
Fivo Asia
XP lose is an intended game mechanic.
Being hunted repeatedly by the same BH is stated to be harrasment. They have started to implement game mechanics to prevent this. i.e No more Jedi names on the terms.
Training large mobs on other players to purposely kill them is NOT and intended game mechanic.
Spawning SBDs every time you loot the DWB IS an intended game mechanic to prevent someone from continually looting it without consequence. Cloaking while looting it is getting around this game mechanic.
But someone repeatedly looting the DWB is not my main concern. Training large mobs on other players to purposely kill them is.
Kurso wrote:
XP lose is an intended game mechanic.
Being hunted repeatedly by the same BH is stated to be harrasment. They have started to implement game mechanics to prevent this. i.e No more Jedi names on the terms.
Training large mobs on other players to purposely kill them is NOT and intended game mechanic.
Spawning SBDs every time you loot the DWB IS an intended game mechanic to prevent someone from continually looting it without consequence. Cloaking while looting it is getting around this game mechanic.
But someone repeatedly looting the DWB is not my main concern. Training large mobs on other players to purposely kill them is.
Cafa wrote:
Kurso wrote:
XP lose is an intended game mechanic.
Being hunted repeatedly by the same BH is stated to be harrasment. They have started to implement game mechanics to prevent this. i.e No more Jedi names on the terms.
Training large mobs on other players to purposely kill them is NOT and intended game mechanic.
Spawning SBDs every time you loot the DWB IS an intended game mechanic to prevent someone from continually looting it without consequence. Cloaking while looting it is getting around this game mechanic.
But someone repeatedly looting the DWB is not my main concern. Training large mobs on other players to purposely kill them is.
Yes well, when you're the only dang guild online and not camping the trails, the BH's kinda visit us a lot.
Having said that, dragging mobs on other players is wrong, and I agree with you onthat sir.
Fivo Asia
Good, we agree. Normally in the DWB this is hard to do because if you have 10 SBDs agroed your going to be dead long before you can drag this mob to another player. But if your cloaked they agro you, follow you, and kill others but you can't be attacked.
So how do you propose it be fixed?