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Thread: DWB Exploiters are going to get Cloak NERFED
Droids should be IMMUNE TO CLOAK.
Problem solved.
Those who are defendingotherwiese just don't want their easy loot taken away from them.
Sorry I don't want my skills nerfed becase someone is using them in a matter inconsistant with what they were designed for.
Cloak was not designed to be a Mob bypassing loot skill.
Those that are talking about Avoid incap well they are being attacked.
Cloaked Jedi are completely immune to attack by the NPC's. There is no risk at all.
iosskman wrote:
cloak nerfing is th eonly way to fix this as of now....rather hard if they instace it 8man DWB group would be rather hard IMO but they could do what WoW does the higher lvl NPC the better chance it can uncloak them and if this is done of course they can still run by players(there the same lvl as players who would cloak in DWB) but so if they have to run by a lvl 200 SBD they uncloak.
problem solved
I've crafted with 6...
hell i've gotten past door B with 3
Kurso wrote:
I wish I could. Being that they are cloaked I can't even get the names of the people doing it. Can't target. Nothing in combat log. All you see are the effects of FR and tons of SBDs mysteriously headed your way...
Message Edited by Kurso on 08-09-2005 11:37 AM
try the, I think it is, /who command should give you every one in the area then strike off those you can see, you should just be left with the ones cloaked
VilKaleThaos wrote:
kurso wrote;
WHAT?!?! Are you stupid or just playing stupid. It explicity states you must follow the 'Rules of Conduct'
"Harassment is defined as specifically targeting another player or group of players to harm or inconvenience them."
Training NPCs onto another group CLEARLY falls under this and IS, repeat IS a violation of the EULA.
Read before you speak.
bad news kurso, the 'rules of conduct' as u point out are to protect u form getting harassed, sexualy or about your race, religon etc.
THEY ARE FOR U THE GAMER, not the toon u play.
think about what u are saying, if we are overt and fighting and i run into a base and u and your friends get killed by the npc mob its an exploit?
inconvenienced? LOL then lets nerf all the crafting cause its an inconvenience to have to pay so much, or cause a tkm/master doc stays in the geo caves and kills the acklay all day and is able to out last and out damage all others he is exploting?
people like u will nerf this whole game till every profession sucks just enough to not be good at anything.
your just all wet cause someone got u killed and u think its not fair, report the player, get cloaked not to agro npc's, but this is LAME
nerf nerf nerf nerf
stop cryingand go read a book.
The quote is listed is from teh Rules of Conduct which starts off this way "THE FOLLOWING ARE THE BASIC RULES OF CONDUCT THAT GOVERN PLAYER INTERACTION AND ACTIVITY WITHIN Star Wars Galaxies: An Empire Divided..."
This clearly is discussing IN GAME conduct.
Are you arguing that the SOE EULA is not valid? It is what it is. They wrote it, I didn't. Purposely training mobs on other players is again the EULA. You either lack the intelligence tounderstand the rules governing the gameor you think you are to superior for the rules to apply to you.
Message Edited by Kurso on 08-23-2005 07:22 AM
Kurso wrote:
DivNotDed wrote:
Kurso wrote:
So your saying that with all of these professions, I can train 15+ Super Battle Droids onto another player without getting killed myself or even having a risk of getting killed? That is laughable and just a dumb statement.Feign Death is a very bad example. Anyone trying to draw a train of NPCs in the DWB by using Feign Death would either be dead in seconds or have to use Feign Death instantly after agro and would not get very far.
As for force, you and I both know how easy it is to regen force in the DWB. Just train your agro on other players, and go to a spot without a spawn. And if your not doing anything else healing, aura, infusion, FR, using your saber, you can last a pretty good amount of time down there.
Cloak it broken and highly exploitable. There are many exploitable skills in the game. Why would you not want to fix them to make the game better? Or would they be taking away your exploit?
Message Edited by Kurso on 08-22-2005 08:15 PM
Message Edited by Kurso on 08-22-2005 08:17 PM
So now cloak is an exploit? Again take a group down to the DWB or just go to any spawn of 15-20 bad things and train them for as far as you can to see how far you can get before you die, and btw remeber the DWB LOS is poor meaning those slow SBD's are following just not hitting often. Every example I used could train which is the bannable offense not the use of a skill. As for FD I was referring to the use of it to loot the bins like they used to. They run down, lose aggro as they run make it to the coal bin open it and FD, then lay there till it respawns the loot( I am not sure if they can still leave it open and just loot it or not.) I like the idea put forth about looting should decloak or interacting with NPC's that would make a lot of sense. I am still infavor of going after the TARDS as opposed to nerfing though.
Where in my post did I say cloak was an exploit. I clearly said Cloak is 'highly exploitable'. There is a distinct difference that is clear if you would take the time to read a post before flaming it.
Three posts up you called it my Exploit "Or would they be taking away your exploit?" Thereby stating cloak is an exploit. Maybe you should take some memory classes prior to flaming others who only responded to your posts. Again take away the tards from the game not the skills. Heck in the expansion or pub 23 I will not be able to use a laser rifle. I have been hit enough and I am at the bottom of chosen Jedi skills. So go pick on someone else and start providing positive, constructive solutions not nerf this or that. You don't have it you don't like it so it should dissappear is not the answer.
DivNotDed wrote:
Kurso wrote:
DivNotDed wrote:
Kurso wrote:
So your saying that with all of these professions, I can train 15+ Super Battle Droids onto another player without getting killed myself or even having a risk of getting killed? That is laughable and just a dumb statement.
Feign Death is a very bad example. Anyone trying to draw a train of NPCs in the DWB by using Feign Death would either be dead in seconds or have to use Feign Death instantly after agro and would not get very far.
As for force, you and I both know how easy it is to regen force in the DWB. Just train your agro on other players, and go to a spot without a spawn. And if your not doing anything else healing, aura, infusion, FR, using your saber, you can last a pretty good amount of time down there.
Cloak it broken and highly exploitable. There are many exploitable skills in the game. Why would you not want to fix them to make the game better? Or would they be taking away your exploit?
Message Edited by Kurso on 08-22-200508:15 PM
Message Edited by Kurso on 08-22-200508:17 PM
So now cloak is an exploit? Again take a group down to the DWB or just go to any spawn of 15-20 bad things and train them for as far as you can to see how far you can get before you die, and btw remeber the DWB LOS is poor meaning those slow SBD's are following just not hitting often. Every example I used could train which is the bannable offense not the use of a skill. As for FD I was referring to the use of it to loot the bins like they used to. They run down, lose aggro as they run make it to the coal bin open it and FD, then lay there till it respawns the loot( I am not sure if they can still leave it open and just loot it or not.) I like the idea put forth about looting should decloak or interacting with NPC's that would make a lot of sense. I am still infavor of going after the TARDS as opposed to nerfing though.
Where in my post did I say cloak was an exploit. I clearly said Cloak is 'highly exploitable'. There is a distinct difference that is clear if you would take the time to read a post before flaming it.
Three posts up you called it my Exploit "Or would they be taking away your exploit?" Thereby stating cloak is an exploit. Maybe you should take some memory classes prior to flaming others who only responded to your posts. Again take away the tards from the game not the skills. Heck in the expansion or pub 23 I will not be able to use a laser rifle. I have been hit enough and I am at the bottom of chosen Jedi skills. So go pick on someone else and start providing positive, constructive solutions not nerf this or that. You don't have it you don't like it so it should dissappear is not the answer.
Message Edited by Kurso on 08-23-2005 09:16 AM
Kurso wrote:
DivNotDed wrote:
KrisKross wrote:
This is game breaking...the SBD room has an infinite spawn because of the constant looting of the chests. It's completely broken
They had to kill something uncloaked to get the keys to get down to the coalbins figure out who it is and go after the TARD not the skill.
I'm a Jedi and every nerf they send our way sucks. But this is one nerf that is due. It's not practical for a CSR to sit in the DWB and watch 24 hours a day for people that do this. They are always there. They are making it hard for other players and in some cases they are purposely getting othe rplayers killed. No skill should be that powerful...
Fundamentally it's people like you that screw this game up more and more, in my opinion. All you see is "screw your buddy" as the answer to every problem. This is why we have 300 DPS sabres for new folks at the moment.
If SBDs spawning hurts your game, play better.
Fivo Asia - 4 Jedi's no cloakers
Cafa wrote:
Kurso wrote:
DivNotDed wrote:
KrisKross wrote:
This is game breaking...the SBD room has an infinite spawn because of the constant looting of the chests. It's completely broken
They had to kill something uncloaked to get the keys to get down to the coalbins figure out who it is and go after the TARD not the skill.
I'm a Jedi and every nerf they send our way sucks. But this is one nerf that is due. It's not practical for a CSR to sit in the DWB and watch 24 hours a day for people that do this. They are always there. They are making it hard for other players and in some cases they are purposely getting othe rplayers killed. No skill should be that powerful...
Fundamentally it's people like you that screw this game up more and more, in my opinion. All you see is "screw your buddy" as the answer to every problem. This is why we have 300 DPS sabres for new folks at the moment.
If SBDs spawning hurts your game, play better.
Fivo Asia - 4 Jedi's no cloakers
Cafa wrote:If SBDs spawning hurts your game, play better.
I'm staying out of the rest of the discussion, but for this comment: come on. If there are a dozen SBDs spawned because of someone doing this and groups cannot access the rest of the bunker because of it until the next server reset days later, this is your response? "Play better"?
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Kurso wrote:
Cafa wrote:
Kurso wrote:
DivNotDed wrote:
KrisKross wrote:
This is game breaking...the SBD room has an infinite spawn because of the constant looting of the chests. It's completely broken
They had to kill something uncloaked to get the keys to get down to the coalbins figure out who it is and go after the TARD not the skill.
I'm a Jedi and every nerf they send our way sucks. But this is one nerf that is due. It's not practical for a CSR to sit in the DWB and watch 24 hours a day for people that do this. They are always there. They are making it hard for other players and in some cases they are purposely getting othe rplayers killed. No skill should be that powerful...
Fundamentally it's people like you that screw this game up more and more, in my opinion. All you see is "screw your buddy" as the answer to every problem. This is why we have 300 DPS sabres for new folks at the moment.
If SBDs spawning hurts your game, play better.
Fivo Asia - 4 Jedi's no cloakers
SBD spawns? Thats the least of my worries. The real problem is someone purposely dragging them all to any group while that person is immune to any effect. That is the real issue. I don't understand why people are defending this type of behavior...
Because you are NOT TALKING ABOUT SPECIFIC BEHAVIOR. You are talking about nerfing an entire community to solve the problem of a few players, probably not even on my server.
Most of the people using cloak are rebels on my server, and I'm anything but that. I still say that the power should stay where it is. It makes things more interesting to fight those opponents and I don't need to nerf them to enjoy them as opponents.
The same argument you espouse was what got ATSTs nerfed the first time. I never once even visited the krayt graveyard and my ATSTs were nerfed because of whiners griping about a very small percentage of the playerbase doing that.
How about this, REMOVE the DWB. That would solve the problem.
Fivo Asia