Jedi Archive

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StarNick wrote:

Theres a whole lot of anger and frustration on these forums...mostly due to a few of my comments...

First of all, please don't take anything I say out of context. Ive gone through just about all these posts on the two jedi CU threads, and seen some analysis that its just flat out wrong:

Id like to start with the post by Onix:

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And i don't care what anyone says, a full template knight should beat out a Master BH no doubt about it.

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Under NO circumstances look at the CU through anarrow peephole, nor each profession individually. This is the primary reason why I even brought up BH in garvin's CU thread on the commando forums: People were going crazy saying things such as that BH would get their combat abilities and weapons taken away and be totally gimped.

Thats totally false...the entire notion that the CU will be there to nerf professions is false, from what has been released, you ALL should realize that by now. Notice, I NEVER said anything about knights or masters or anything, hell when I mentioned BH I specifically said "template". You guys will be getting love during the CU, there is absolutely no worry about that. But remember, everything depends on your template....what you want to do in combat is up to you and you alone. Maybe a MBH can defeat a padawan...maybe a MBH/MC/Carbineer template can defeat a mid-level jedi. We simply don't know.

And you know what? I agree that a full template knight should be able to beat up a Master BH.

And, with agenda. To say the truth, I can care less about Jedi...the only thing remotely related to you guys that Im annoyed at are FS grinders using the commando profession to easily grind out the FS trees, and achieving jedi much faster than they would. Not all jedi did this, not all jedi do it. I think that people can have a shortcut through a system like that is wrong and should be fixed, but it doesn't make me some hateful prejudicial idiot that some of you are trying to make me out as.

Oh...and my two comments (I said about 3 things in that entire thread that even mentioned Jedi folks...) with the "mahuaha's"...Um people, did you even read the context? Apparently you all don't know me very well, but I do joke quite a bit...and when Im seriously, I never use a cynical mad scientist laugh. As some folks here have mentioned...don't jump to conclusions on everything, I usually tend to stay away from Jedi topics unless if they affect my community (ie FS Grinders...maybe you all wouldve liked it if I phrased it that "all FS grinders that just use our profession without even giving it a second thought will all burn, mahauaha!"?)

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"And yes, I already brought this up...but the game itself is losing blast damage. Don't know what our LP nor Rocket Launchers will be (Im betting Kinetic). But as far as our profession goes, we'll be having EVERY damage type in our utility belt, so we're going to be fairly versitile in damage. Btw, Kinetic and Energy will not be as they are now... (prolly two of the most heavily resisted dmg types in the game atm aside from heat)"

So he can say this yet SonG can't even tell us if LS damage will be around and if not what will it be? Sorry I have to cry foul here just from the fact the same NDA that is holding back SonG seems to be ignored by other people.

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I tell my community to look at things logically, and make deductions from the information presented to them. Concerning damage types, according to Blair's post EXACTLY:

"All weapons will do a base damage of type of two possible types: "Kinetic" or "Energy". Several weapons will do additional elemental damage of one of the following types: "Heat", "Cold", "Acid", "Electrical". "

And guess what? Our blast was taken out of the game since its not listed here, I *think* (as I dont know, I also tell my community to take what I say with a grain of salt as things DO change, and in regards to certain comments is speculation at this point), blast could very well become Kinetic or possibly an elemental?

Regardless...LOOK AT OUR CURRENT WEAPONS for god's sake:

• Hvy Lightning Beam Cannon - Electrical (check)


• Hvy Particle Beam Cannon - Energy (check)


• Cyroban Grenade - Cold (check)


• Flamethrower - Heat (Check)


• Hvy Acid Rifle - Acid (check)


• UA IV as a commando pre-req? And us missing kinetic if our LP/RL don't give it to replace blast? What do you think...?


• Then we have other grenades/Disposable Hvy Weapons that also have more Blast/Acid/Heat/etc damage types

So Im breaching the NDA and giving out specific information when every commando knows that all of our weapons pretty much give every damage type already? So, essentially, we already have what we're getting in the CU in terms of what Blair posted.Wow...

Also...LS dmg type isn't listed? Hmm...now if I said exactly what damage type it is (could change, who knows?) then yes I'd be breaking the NDA...but by saying that LS dmg type and blast dmg type are going out the door when they're not included in the publicised CU doc...well, Im just saying what Blair said.

And lets look at this:

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"Oh hell, its the end of the world then. Yes, pretty much the CU can be considered a rock-paper-scissors system...oh and yes...and with Jedi...mauahahaha. They'll still be powerful, but we may not be seeing them run rampant like now!"

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1) This was taken out of context...it was a reply to our ultra town cynic, Novock, as he was totally enthusastic and thought Blair's post was great....tis the sign of the apcolypse!

2) When combat is balanced and (hopefully) made better...yeah, Im hoping that we may not be seeing jedi run rampant...why? Maybe im a star wars freak, but I don't like having jedi in every Imp-Reb GCW fight or showing off their sabers in a starport. This doesn't mean you guys are getting the shaft...the professions will be balanced to one another, including jedi...and note...they'll still be powerful...*hint*

3) Am I being anti-jedi? Um, no. Rock-paper-scissors system + jedi, maybe you guys will be special after the CU? Maybe you won't be gimped? Maybe everything will be balanced? *Hint*

Yes, WookieOgre, you are seeing things...Im not anti-jedi, and didn't mean to cause this firestorm that seems to have spread to the Jedi Forums. Also, I don't mean to single you out at all, but I like your post as it seems to sum up some of the hostility that grew as a result of what I said. When I mean jedi in the Commando forums....usually its in reference to the FS grinders who relentlessly come to our forums asking "How fast can I grind to jedi with grenades?" and that sort of thing. Most of the time its rarely ever real hate...just because BH-Jedi have a whole lot of conflicts, doesn't mean every profession is against you...commandos simply dont like people using their profession...

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P__Day wrote:

Its still under development, things change, X might have gotten some upgrades that makes it stronger than y this week, Y might get the same next week, Creating a new combat system and balancing it will be done over alpha and beta to.

Im gonna say the same thing about the commando corro as i say about the BH corro, they are just stupid. IF this was true, what they ahve said, why would they still be correspondents since they so clearly have breached the NDA?

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Thanks for calling me stupid. Most of the stuff Ive been refering to in that commando CU thread was 1) Reassurance and 2) What Blair said. Maybe you miss what I say in other threads on my forums, but I try and make it clear with my community to take things with a grain of salt and that things do change. Thats why you don't give specifics out...

You all think im breaking the NDA and divulging information...Ok I agree, my hint-dropping got DANGEROUSLY close with the mentioning of BH. Tank's reply, as I took it, was a subtle "watch out" warning sign that I took wisely (and withdrew if you noticed), it was also done with a smile too I may add....the other thread in these forums make his comment out in a different tone than it really was in.

Btw, thanks Catseye, and if I may (sorry to pick on you WookieOgre ) My comments are in green:

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I think alot to do with the Jedi cant really be talked about due to the lack of mention on the doc released already...

The commando corr said LS dmg is going away... well according to the doc All weapons will be Kin or Energy.. well since LS is a weapon you figure it out...

Sorry lol, can't believe you would even give this a pass. He says LS damage is going away yet that damage is the very reason why we have ZERO armor. Here's something you can think about, maybe the devs didn't want him to say ANYTHING because they don't know if they are giving Jedi armor or not. Ever think about that?

Actually the Devs said All weapons will be Kinetic or Energy if they didnt want that mentioned maybe they should have removed that statement

As I mentioned, our blast dmg is gone too...you're reading too far into things...just because LS dmg isn't listed, doesn't mean you guys won't get love....lots of things are changing, unlearn the current system...

as for MBH being worth it.. alone with the new health going up with what seems to be Mastery of a Prof that makes sense to me that mastering BH will be worth it.. plus I am guessing that Jedi will be moved to MBH since they are getting away from the dabbling so to speak.....

Come on, were we reading the same thread. I've heard about defending people but even Commandos in that VERY thread were asking why he is giving so much information that was NOT in the statement of Blair.

I noted you did not address the paragraph you posted the above about

One commando mentioned that he thought I may have been dangerously close to the NDA line....I make every attempt trying to balance everything in my responses. Because garvin and I were quick on clarifying Blair's points, and not allowing pessimism or flames to start...a general positive feeling was gained, and a lot of commandos were appreciative that we took the time (a few hours) to hang around trying to answer questions within NDA range. As I mentioned earlier in this post, a lot of information non-commandos may think I specifically was giving out, is untrue....especially in regards to damage types...

Right now in a true 1 vs 1 against a Paddy MBH do already win.. plus no telling yet what is in the cards for the Elite abilities.. since again health is on Master boxes.. a grinding paddy will lose some health as they transfer into their Jedi abilities making them weaker until they get the new master again this points out that a MBH will be really tough for a paddy to handle...

lol, yeah I'm sure he was talking about a Paddy /rollseyes. You can't honestly be that ignorant can you? Why would he even mention MTK stackers if he was not talking about completed templates/Knights. As you said MBH already not only win against paddies, they destroy them. Think about it.

There were no ranks named in the post just some jedi.. you are assuming as I am on the reasoning on the chat what makes yours better than mine? and I never said MBH destroy paddy... after the CU is when we will destroy them

Honestly? I don't know a whole lot about jedi ranks and their power, just know that they pretty much own a lone commando . Paddies are fairly easy to beat atm with melee templates...with a much more emphasised focus on range...who do you think may take that role? God forbid that those who actually hunt jedi get a role that can kill jedi...

I mentioned TKM stackers as some of my friends who hunt jedi have it...so its pretty much second hand knowledge for me. Heck, didn't even know I was refering to completed templates when I mentioned that often times my melee stacker guildmates and TKM-BH friends can kill jedi...

So is the NDA being broken? dunno there is information released that backs up what was being said.. also note that the talks didnt really start til after the docs were made public.. and if you actually read and think you would already have that knowledge that is being posted...

Time to stop thinking up excuses for this Correspondent. He broke the NDA and worse off basically said a profession is going to be easily handled by another (neither of which are HIS profession).

Again lets return to the above paragraph you are assuming Knights I am thinking Paddy.. no mention was made of ranks again you are jumping farther than you need to be

A full templated Jedi pretty much...id say, wouldown...as its canon. I was vague in statement....breaking NDA involves posting specific information. So yes, you guys are jumping a bit too far...as most of what you think I was talking about, I wasn't even thinking of. In terms of logic, however Id say since the CU is here to help give roles, balance out combat, and ungimp professions (and prevent uber FOTMs from ruining combat as it has now)...I think it would be safe to assume that BH's would have some chance against some jedi...against full template jedi? /shrug...unless if the Jedi wasn't that good...

Jedi will have good things to come as well I am sure.. just with the prof not being discussed in the docs SG cant talk about them due to the lack of info... I am guessing that the CH though not mentioned in the docs either really will get the boost to revamping the pets since animals will be realigned and their pets are animals...

Which is the very essance of whyit was WRONG for this Correspondent to flat out state the very Profession we are mortal enemies will be able to kill us like MTK stackers do atm. Forget what "good things" we having coming, what point is there if you die easily to a BH?

Again the assumpution that all Jedi are created equal.. You are right if they are talking Knight but you are wrong if talking paddy..

So...BH shouldn't be able to have a chance against the prey they hunt? Atm a BH thats all range, I would assume would have a lot of difficulties compared to meleer stackers. Post-CU, with an emphasis on range...Id say that would change.

And in regards to the final piece...Im SORRY that you guys took some of my comments the wrong way, and thought I was breaking the NDA when I wasn't (yes...sometimes it may look as if I get close, but remember...TH has a NDA sniper gun pointed at all the corr's heads!). I probably don't know much about Jedi as you guys know about commando, but my responses for my profession are a mix of hints/Blair's post/what we already know or have. To the non-commandos, it may seem to be a blantant disregard, but its not.

I sincerly apologize that this got blown out of control for you guys...this was the type of thing I was trying to prevent (with garvin's help) back on the commando forums....

And lastly...since a few new posts were posted when I started writing this:

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"BH will be very powerful Post-CU. Know how TKM templates now can pretty much wipe out some jedi? Yeah well, post-CU a BH ranged template will be just about the same... (In a one on one fight)"

Your reading WAAAAAY to much into vague hints at a post made partially in jest. No profession should be broken after the CU. Wait for more documents.

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Thanks Psionic. So to the jedi Community....ok, I didn't use the best word-choice possible...but this basically is the point I was trying to make. Everyone's getting love, don't worry.

I tried to fit all the answers and responses onthat releasedCU document within the scope of Blair's post, and current information already out there folks. I disagree how the devs are releasing the information, as Blair's vision document has sparked a LOT of negativity and a ton of "jumping the gun" per se. Once again, with most of the information I was refering to was inside this scope...and is already common knowledge with the commando community in respect to our profession, if you think Im breaking the NDA...do some homework on the commando profession rather than harping on "That wasn't in the CU document! NDA break!!"

Btw, SonGouki is a great correspondent and works extremely hard for all of you...because some of my comments were taken wrongly by your community doesn't mean you should flame him in any way.

/21 flame salute SonGouki

Respectively,

Message Edited by StarNick on 03-21-2005 12:15 AM

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holy post!!!!!

exactly what i was thinking =D

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pervel wrote:

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Horatio64 wrote:

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MonsofoLexius wrote:

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SonGouki wrote:

but what's really important is that I am very active behind the scenes in the correspondent forums trying my best to insure our interests are protected.

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Does a very good job at that FYI, you should all be proud.

/pat

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If he does, how come every change to Jedi has been a nerf since Pub. 9? And thanks for patronising us.

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Because a correspondent has no power over the decisions at all. He is a messenger - no more, no less.

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Mesme wrote:I wasn't talking about you, i was agreeing with you.

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StarNick wrote:

So...BH shouldn't be able to have a chance against the prey they hunt? .

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CeboWookie wrote:

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StarNick wrote:

So...BH shouldn't be able to have a chance against the prey they hunt? .

1 on 1 a BH should only have a chance against a lower level paddy. Once the Paddy has completed his template or has reached Jedi Knight no single BH should be able to kill a Jedi

( unless the Jedi in question sucks hard at PVP ). This is why you have the up to 5v1 option, also keep in mind that no one in the Jedi's group will be able to help the Jedi being attacked while a BH can have another 4 of his BH buddys that took the same mission help him.

BH's should team up to be able to kill a knight. If BH is put up to same level of a knight and has a chance of winning in 1 on 1 then wouldent it be unfair that more then one BH can take the Jedi Mission ? We have a hard time as it is. Being perma-overt means being attackable wherever u go. If you add that a 1 on 1 BH can kill you but still has the option to gank it would be a bit unfair IMHO.

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Message Edited by OohBo on 03-21-2005 03:59 AM

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OohBo wrote:

wow, blair did say that all weapons would do either kinetic or energy,and perhaps some splash elemental damage. what would a lightsaber do then? energy with heat damage?

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