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Thread: Jedi in the Combat Upgrade
Suba wrote:
Catseye_Yellow wrote:
Bobo3k wrote:
WookieOgre wrote:
Catseye_Yellow wrote:
They do not need defending since they posted on what was released
Really, please point out where Blair said this or even hinted to this:
"BH will be very powerful Post-CU. Know how TKM templates now can pretty much wipe out some jedi? Yeah well, post-CU a BH ranged template will be just about the same... (In a one on one fight)"
Ok hinting at it Paddy in the switch between former Mastery and a Jedi Mastery will have 1k less health than a MBH/ Second mastery which MBH have since the MBH has no power alone.. 1k health plus the 20% for buffs means that a post cu bh will be about the same as a TKM stacker now.. heck the paddy will have 1k less health.. and you think that a 2k health will not be owned by a 3k health? logical thinking.. right now a tkm can wipe out a non master Jedi with ease... but oh yes you are a believer that each and everyone of the TKM have the ADK psg right? so therefore you are saying that TKM can wipe each and every Knight out there.. guess what they cant..
the Red says that post CU a Ranged BH will be able to wipe out SOME Jedi.. which I hope is true.. Jedi have 3 levels Master Knight Paddy.. Masters should be Unbeatable 1 vs 1 Knight should be about even after all they are not master rank and paddys should be owned..
Knight for all intent purposes is Master. The template is done. master is nothing more then a formality. and TKM bh with a psg own knights easily. so i would say they mean knights cause padawans stan dno chance versus range or melee bh soo id say pretty obvious what they refer too. When a Bounty Hunter takes 6 months to level and 320 million xp then i can see them standing toe to toe with a knight. Honestly 1 on1 a master bh should die everytime. thats the reason they made 5 vs 1 squads possible.
Message Edited by Suba on 03-20-2005 07:56 PM
at this time maybe master means nothing but with the fixes they will mean something have to believe that.. or they would just remove them no? but they will address the broken mods and such even SG mentioned it.. why are you guys all jumping in the fall out shelter already? this is just the tip of the revamp
TKM own Knights now and based on whats being said same craps gonna happen when combat is "Balanced". A profession that takes max of 8 million xp to Master is gonna be able to mop the floor with a profession that takes 320 million xp to master. Seems a bit strange dont you think?
Heres what id suggest.
1. All Current Jedi Promoted to a after CU Unattainable Jedi Master profession. These Jedi are the top of the line jedi that should be feared.
2. Jedi be made into a normal profession that only takes 8 million or so xp to master but is weak like the other professions.
Honestly as long as jedi requires 364 million xp and you require 8 million xp i should be kicking your ass from coruscant to th eunknown regions with ease.
My profession takes 364,600,000 XP to master in your normal profession xp plus the 223,500,000 million xp to even get padawan.
To Achieve Knight requires 588,100,000 Experiance Points. How is it you should be even close to equal?
Message Edited by Suba on 03-20-2005 09:14 PM
Onix wrote:
Knight for all intent purposes is Master. The template is done. master is nothing more then a formality. and TKM bh with a psg own knights easily. so i would say they mean knights cause padawans stan dno chance versus range or melee bh soo id say pretty obvious what they refer too. When a Bounty Hunter takes 6 months to level and 320 million xp then i can see them standing toe to toe with a knight. Honestly 1 on1 a master bh should die everytime. thats the reason they made 5 vs 1 squads possible.
I completly agree with this statement. And i don't care what anyone says, a full template knight should beat out a Master BH no doubt about it. If SOE can sit there and say ok, we're gonna have 5 vs. 1 gank squads plus make MBH an equal, if not better match to a full template JEDI you will see a lot of people leaving this game. It shouldn't happen. All the hoops that we've all had to jump through the grinding of Millions of XP plus waiting for phases, plus doing the padawan trials, plus doing the knight trials, plus getting hunted by BH's I think it's horse poodoo for a MBH to be a match. So i say that whoever posted that is full of horse dookee.
I wish it was only 5 vs 1, remember, once we are Knights, we are Perma Special Forces and then what you get is 5 BH's + 15 of his Spec Forces buddies to Hunt a Single Jedi Knight, this very thing happened to a Guildee of mine the other night. We were out NS Elder killing and a Full squad showed up to take one of our Knights, I mean come on, as if 5 on 1 isn't bad enough we get fools raising 20man groups to kill one Knight. Yeah we are balanced alright...........
I am an almost complete Template Paddy, I got attacked by two TKM/BH's a few nights back, I fought them for a good 5 mins before I hit FR2 and headed for my house, I would run em round till they were seperated a bit, then start attacking one, everytime I got one down to almost dead his buddy would show up to save his butt, this went on for the entire time I was fighting. In the end I was using too much force getting off the ground and healing to be effectively fighting. Now granted my Polearm was only 470 max, I know I need pearls, but when I hit them for between 80 and 120 points per hit, that is a joke, they were hitting me for over 200 a shot EACH. One at a time I would've wiped the floor with em, I even offered to come out of my house if they were prepared to go one on one, but alas, they weren't.
And with the new HAM bar setup, no action/mind wounding, it makes my almost finished Master healer Template a bit of a waste, I only pray that the Healers get some new abilities out of the CU, or I am gonna have to RE-GRIND millions of XP to pick up FR3 to avoid the 20 V 1 scenario I was talking about. We can only wait and see.
I am sure Son Gouki yelled and screamed to get us Jedi some good new things in the CU, I just hope the Devs listened.
Wait for the profession documents
Please can you raise the issue of the correspondent's who have been breaking the NDA with the Developers.
If any of you think that the NDA has been broken report the thread. The moderators will decide if it breaks the rules. If the mods decide it's an NDA breach it will get deleted. I will state that there has been no case I have seen where the NDA has been broken by any correspondent.
"BH will be very powerful Post-CU. Know how TKM templates now can pretty much wipe out some jedi? Yeah well, post-CU a BH ranged template will be just about the same... (In a one on one fight)"
Your reading WAAAAAY to much into vague hints at a post made partially in jest. No profession should be broken after the CU. Wait for more documents.
SonGouki wrote:
but what's really important is that I am very active behind the scenes in the correspondent forums trying my best to insure our interests are protected.
He does a good job at this, as virtually all of us try to do.
Tanks was telling the TK/BH crowds to at least have the Investigation lines done.
A respec will occur, the exact details have not been released. Wait until more information is released. Not even the corrs have all the information.
We know that you cant say much Son but on paper is it looking good or bad ?
On paper it looks pretty good in my opinion. Each profession will have differant roles to fill. No one template can do everything and choices must be made. Wait until the documents are released for more information.
In conclusion WAIT FOR MORE DOCUMENTS and STOP THE FLAMING. I'll repeat what I said earlier. If you think ANY post violates the rules, report it. My credits are on that Starnicks or any posts made thus far by correspondents posts will not be deleted.
Message Edited by PsionicHawk on 03-20-2005 11:14 PM
PsionicHawk wrote:
What will happen to the Jedi Healing Tree?
Wait for the profession documents
Please can you raise the issue of the correspondent's who have been breaking the NDA with the Developers.
If any of you think that the NDA has been broken report the thread. The moderators will decide if it breaks the rules. If the mods decide it's an NDA breach it will get deleted. I will state that there has been no case I have seen where the NDA has been broken by any correspondent.
"BH will be very powerful Post-CU. Know how TKM templates now can pretty much wipe out some jedi? Yeah well, post-CU a BH ranged template will be just about the same... (In a one on one fight)"
Your reading WAAAAAY to much into vague hints at a post made partially in jest. No profession should be broken after the CU. Wait for more documents.
SonGouki wrote:
but what's really important is that I am very active behind the scenes in the correspondent forums trying my best to insure our interests are protected.
He does a good job at this, as virtually all of us try to do.
Tanks was telling the TK/BH crowds to at least have the Investigation lines done.
A respec will occur, the exact details have not been released. Wait until more information is released. Not even the corrs have all the information.
We know that you cant say much Son but on paper is it looking good or bad ?
On paper it looks pretty good in my opinion. Each profession will have differant roles to fill. No one template can do everything and choices must be made. Wait until the documents are released for more information.
In conclusion WAIT FOR MORE DOCUMENTS and STOP THE FLAMING. I'll repeat what I said earlier. If you think ANY post violates the rules, report it. My credits are on that Starnicks or any posts made thus far by correspondents posts will not be deleted.
Message Edited by PsionicHawk on 03-20-2005 11:14 PM
Thank you for the Post man. Patience is a virtue, and be patient I will. 
pervel wrote:
It will be a majornerf for Jedi in both PvE and PvP if LS damage is removed - unless it is balanced in another way.
Imagine that... the Combat Upgrade/Revamp/BALANCE including balance... who'da thunk it?
Please guys, don't think so one-dimensionally. Just because you lose one thing doesn't mean you aren't getting another. The devs know Jedi are their biggest money-makers. They aren't about to take your pedastal away.
Suba wrote:
Now we have the commando correspondent basiclly spilling the bean son stuff to thier people including this very disturbing line.
"BH will be very powerful Post-CU. Know how TKM templates now can pretty much wipe out some jedi? Yeah well, post-CU a BH ranged template will be just about the same... (In a one on one fight)"
Seems more and more its gonna be pointless to be a jedi
That depends on what you mean by pointless...
According to Nick, BH will really only be good in one on one fights (ie versus Jedi), so they will suck in mass PvP. If you are someone who wants to PvP, this would make being a BH pointless. But if you are someone who wants to hunt bounties, being a BH is the prof for you.
The same applies to Jedi. You're still going to mop the floor in mass PvP, but it will only be in 1v1 fights (ie versus BH) that you will fail. You'll still have your power in base raids etc, but be ready for when the bounty hunter comes a knockin'
Remember that comment TH made about every profession having their role?
That some people are using "your" profession to grind out combat xp should be of no concern to you. I can understand if it is frustrating to see FS grinders asking non-commando questions on your forum. But that is really a "forum issue" and not a profession issue. For Jedi is can be just as annoying when people ask questions about FS related issues on this forum when they really should be asking those on the FS forum.
StarNick wrote:
And, with agenda. To say the truth, I can care less about Jedi...the only thing remotely related to you guys that Im annoyed at are FS grinders using the commando profession to easily grind out the FS trees, and achieving jedi much faster than they would. Not all jedi did this, not all jedi do it. I think that people can have a shortcut through a system like that is wrong and should be fixed, but it doesn't make me some hateful prejudicial idiot that some of you are trying to make me out as.
SamousNemo wrote:
pervel wrote:
It will be a majornerf for Jedi in both PvE and PvP if LS damage is removed - unless it is balanced in another way.
Imagine that... the Combat Upgrade/Revamp/BALANCE including balance... who'da thunk it?
Please guys, don't think so one-dimensionally. Just because you lose one thing doesn't mean you aren't getting another. The devs know Jedi are their biggest money-makers. They aren't about to take your pedastal away.
I am not thinking one-dimensional. But I fear the devs are. This is why we need to stay alert when we see things like that suggested. Especially, since we have been told many times that "Jedi are already CU-balanced".
PsionicHawk wrote:
"BH will be very powerful Post-CU. Know how TKM templates now can pretty much wipe out some jedi? Yeah well, post-CU a BH ranged template will be just about the same... (In a one on one fight)"
Your reading WAAAAAY to much into vague hints at a post made partially in jest. No profession should be broken after the CU. Wait for more documents.
This is not a vague post. This is saying that a MBH will own a jedi, being as MBH can own low lvl jedi now he is talking about STAKERS and KNIGHTS. Personaly stackers are hard kills not impossible. I have no problem with MBH being able to take a jedi just not a jedi knight. Everything Ive seen/read states that ranged is pretty useless against jedi. Your all living in the BH alwaystrack down jedi fantasy. WHEN did a BH hunt a jedi down? Ive yet to see it, Jango ran from the jedi, Boba was after Han and when he went to get revenge for his father he got killed. Yes this is a game but lets make anyone thats PvP enabled huntable and not just jedi. With the new 5vs1 groups this renders a jedi useless in a BH battle. At knight ive NEVER had 1 BH come after me. So the smugglers are gonna have BH's after them but what? its NPC's. ill take vader 1hiting me over 1 bh griefing me. If you gaurentee me it will be a 1vs1 battle then give them the power but if its STILL gonna be 5vs1 they need to be the average profession with no more power than a TK, Rifleman, Swordsman etc. Lets face it when we talk professions we talk mastered, So when you talk jedi your thinkingknight.
We know that you cant say much Son but on paper is it looking good or bad ?
On paper it looks pretty good in my opinion. Each profession will have differant roles to fill. No one template can do everything and choices must be made. Wait until the documents are released for more information.
The whole point is that jedi are solo players, we group with other jedi and thats usualy about it. We grind for 2months+ ALONE, If we hunt with someone we get overpowered Melee BH's comming after us(see statement above). We are not swordsman, we are not combat medics.If we do go out in a group 3+BH's come up and we get ganked out of our group. Groups cant help vs groups of BH so who is each different role gonna help jedi? BH commando's to hunt us? Docs to rez us? I seriously hope that we are at leaste given the power we deserve for the 2+months of grinding and we arent put in as a joke. Im waiting for more docs butfrom the docs right now(BH's being overpowered, No LS dmg, No armor, broken FRS, healer tree's borked, 1/2 MLS attacks borked, possible Saber block nerf, Force bar+ special attack bars, and the 5vs1 BH gank squad still around) it looks like ill be quiting after may.
Get some info released or flames will continue. Your fanning the flames by giving out 1/2 the info, we can only jump to conclusions UNTIL YOU TELL US OTHERWISE.
Wow...now that sir...is a post /bow 5 stars for you!
Message Edited by Force-sensitive-Jim on 03-20-2005 10:19 PM
StarNick wrote: