Jedi Archive
Thread: Cloak may be nerfed according to Helios
is anybody forcing you to drop cloak? no. Then you don't HAVE to regrind. You have no idea of exactly what's going to happen to the skill, so don't react until we have more specific information about the degree of change, honestly.
jokerbacca wrote:
Yup, regrind 3.2 MILLION JEDI XP. and then wait another month to have to regrind another wait a sec I see a pattern here...................
Phenix1050 wrote:
is anybody forcing you to drop cloak? no.(true but my escape mechanism is now gone)Then you don't HAVE to regrind. You have no idea of exactly what's going to happen to the skill, so don't react until we have more specific information about the degree of change, honestly (and with this dev team and SOE's record what would you expect, me this is what I expect A. no info until TC release. B. Nerfed into oblivion/ uselessness ).
jokerbacca wrote:
Yup, regrind 3.2 MILLION JEDI XP. and then wait another month to have to regrind another wait a sec I see a pattern here...................
Phenix truthfully I'm not picking a fight nor really upset with you at all, don't take my screaming personally, bc its not meant that way. Your post's in the ranger forum have helped me immensely over time. I'm just tired of the nonsense for this Dev team.
JANUARY IS COMING DEVS, PRAY.
JarvisW wrote:
Something everyone (except the DEVS) probbly knows, but hasn't really said...
If you snare a cloaked person, then why would theyeven cloak in the first place?
I mean, if you cloaked vs a BH, and he saw you, wouldn't he just go over and stand on your spot till you used all your force up, re-appeared, then kill you?
Like I said, I think THIS is what people should be getting into the DEVS heads.
Give this man a cigar! This proposed cloak change is ludricious because of this.
CuchulainnDarklight wrote:
You dont really get the point do you?
This is all part of the muchly deserved Ranger Revamp which has taken years tocome to pass. Force Cloak is being fixed not nerfed, to fit in with the proper game mechanics for radar removing abilities.
Maybe you prefer to play a broken game, but a lot of people prefer the fact that SOE seem to be actually addressing the problems with the game at the moment, in a manner they have failed to do before.
By all means, give the Rangers what they need and richly deserve. But there's no reason to nerf another class to do that.
One man's fix is another man's nerf. This is devasting and if you don't understand why by reading the facts presented in many threads already, you just don't and will never get it.
CuchulainnDarklight wrote:
Grunzer wrote:
CuchulainnDarklight wrote:
You dont really get the point do you?
This is all part of the muchly deserved Ranger Revamp which has taken years tocome to pass. Force Cloak is being fixed not nerfed, to fit in with the proper game mechanics for radar removing abilities.
Maybe you prefer to play a broken game, but a lot of people prefer the fact that SOE seem to be actually addressing the problems with the game at the moment, in a manner they have failed to do before.
Great make people who are cloaked impervious to Area Attacks, DOT's, animal Aggro, and make it so that you can't /target or /follow the player and then Cloak will be "fixed"
If those things aren't fixed then cloak becomes completely useless.
Why would being invisible make you impervious to damage? That just doesnt make sense. Admittedly I dont have cloak in my skills, but thats because it just seemed to cowardly for my toon. He is an in your face kind of guy.
If you don't have cloak in yourtemplate and you've never used it, that explains why you don't know what you're talking about.
Honestly man, we are right about this one. This is more than just whining. This is hard, cold fact. You gotta understand this one, bro.
I have a better idea. Why don't you stop playing?
Shender wrote:
cmreeves wrote:
Another GAY NERF for Master Powers users again. While you are at it just remove Jedi, how about that. You Dev's have already ruined the game enough.
Then don't play. You are obviously wasting your money. Plus, I really hate seeing so many "I HATE SOE BECAUSE THEY NERF EVERYTHING" type posts, and since you are a contributing factor, it only sweetens SWG for me.
Phenix1050 wrote:
is anybody forcing you to drop cloak? no. Then you don't HAVE to regrind. You have no idea of exactly what's going to happen to the skill, so don't react until we have more specific information about the degree of change, honestly.
jokerbacca wrote:
Yup, regrind 3.2 MILLION JEDI XP. and then wait another month to have to regrind another wait a sec I see a pattern here...................
Agreed. But I'll betcha' the cloak nerf is gonna be just as bad as the Avoid Incap nerf. And if it is, Phenix, you have to admit that it will make cloak just as useless as Avoid Incap.
Give us that one, at least man.
Drazharr wrote:
Phenix1050 wrote:
is anybody forcing you to drop cloak? no. Then you don't HAVE to regrind. You have no idea of exactly what's going to happen to the skill, so don't react until we have more specific information about the degree of change, honestly.
jokerbacca wrote:
Yup, regrind 3.2 MILLION JEDI XP. and then wait another month to have to regrind another wait a sec I see a pattern here...................
Agreed. But I'll betcha' the cloak nerf is gonna be just as bad as the Avoid Incap nerf. And if it is, Phenix, you have to admit that it will make cloak just as useless as Avoid Incap.
Give us that one, at least man.
Actually it wont be useless, unless, you rely mostly on it, in which case the problem lies with your playstyle. Try to use ALL of your template to accomplish things, puttting all your hopes on one thing isa recipe for disaster.
CuchulainnDarklight wrote:
Drazharr wrote:
Phenix1050 wrote:
is anybody forcing you to drop cloak? no. Then you don't HAVE to regrind. You have no idea of exactly what's going to happen to the skill, so don't react until we have more specific information about the degree of change, honestly.
jokerbacca wrote:
Yup, regrind 3.2 MILLION JEDI XP. and then wait another month to have to regrind another wait a sec I see a pattern here...................
Agreed. But I'll betcha' the cloak nerf is gonna be just as bad as the Avoid Incap nerf. And if it is, Phenix, you have to admit that it will make cloak just as useless as Avoid Incap.
Give us that one, at least man.
Actually it wont be useless, unless, you rely mostly on it, in which case the problem lies with your playstyle. Try to use ALL of your template to accomplish things, puttting all your hopes on one thing isa recipe for disaster.
OK, bro, I'm a MLS/MP/4040 Healer. Just how am I gonna compensate for a cloak snare? I don't have force run. What frickin' playstyle change can I make? If I use cloak under the new system, I just stand there like a slow-moving statue until my force runs out, then I die.
Better think harder before making a reply like this.
Message Edited by Drazharr on 09-17-2005 11:58 PM
Grunzer wrote:
IBeDaMaster wrote:
Wouldnt mind cloak being moved to master, but then mls should get something, maybe another advanced hit besides adv. saber throw and derverish. Right now the only things i see bad about cloak are the exploits(attacking while cloaked), people pvp healing, and running through things like the vette untouched. Why should it be moved to master anyways?
I guess I just sort of feel like, if they go much further with the nerfing, The Jedi will be killing themselves every time they use a special or one of their abilities. I mean, it gets to a certain point that you just gotta give a Jedi a gun and let him shoot himself in the head. It'd be quicker and less painful that way.
I realize that Cloak is being used in a lot of ways that it shouldn't be. I'm just not so sure that adding a snare to yet another Jedi Ability is the way to go, but I guess it is the "easiest" way to fix the current exploits that all the kiddy Jedi use.
Message Edited by Grunzer on 09-16-2005 09:44 PM
Is called the BH have been crying and the Devs who love them are riding to the rescue.
Drazharr wrote:
CuchulainnDarklight wrote:
Drazharr wrote:
Phenix1050 wrote:
is anybody forcing you to drop cloak? no. Then you don't HAVE to regrind. You have no idea of exactly what's going to happen to the skill, so don't react until we have more specific information about the degree of change, honestly.
jokerbacca wrote:
Yup, regrind 3.2 MILLION JEDI XP. and then wait another month to have to regrind another wait a sec I see a pattern here...................
Agreed. But I'll betcha' the cloak nerf is gonna be just as bad as the Avoid Incap nerf. And if it is, Phenix, you have to admit that it will make cloak just as useless as Avoid Incap.
Give us that one, at least man.
Actually it wont be useless, unless, you rely mostly on it, in which case the problem lies with your playstyle. Try to use ALL of your template to accomplish things, puttting all your hopes on one thing isa recipe for disaster.
OK, bro, I'm a MLS/MP/4040 Healer. Just how am I gonna compensate for a cloak snare? I don't have force run. What frickin' playstyle change can I make? If I use cloak under the new system, I just stand there like a slow-moving statue until my force runs out, then I die.
Better think harder before making a reply like this.
Message Edited by Drazharr on 09-17-2005 11:58 PM
CuchulainnDarklight wrote:
Drazharr wrote:
Phenix1050 wrote:
is anybody forcing you to drop cloak? no. Then you don't HAVE to regrind. You have no idea of exactly what's going to happen to the skill, so don't react until we have more specific information about the degree of change, honestly.
jokerbacca wrote:
Yup, regrind 3.2 MILLION JEDI XP. and then wait another month to have to regrind another wait a sec I see a pattern here...................
Agreed. But I'll betcha' the cloak nerf is gonna be just as bad as the Avoid Incap nerf. And if it is, Phenix, you have to admit that it will make cloak just as useless as Avoid Incap.
Give us that one, at least man.
Actually it wont be useless, unless, you rely mostly on it, in which case the problem lies with your playstyle. Try to use ALL of your template to accomplish things, puttting all your hopes on one thing isa recipe for disaster.
No I agree, I do not mean to sound like the lunatic I'm coming across like, lol. Here's why I'm upset. There as so many other problems with our profession atm that make a large portion of the populace completely vulnerable constantly to the "alpha class" (BH). I count myself as in the middle where I'll win some and lose some, which is acceptable to me. I just wont be able to run form those bh'es that I know are gonna smack me around. I'm more concerned for my friends in game that I've helped template recently, and their completely useless sabers. The speed on them is borked to start, and on top of that there is not a chance in Hades that their damage will be anything close to useable versus not excellent bh, just plain old mediocre bh. Their equipment gives them a 'veritable I win' button, as there is just simply no skill in having the deck completely stacked in their favor. This is a money issue waiting to blow up in SOE's face. They complain and complain how there are tons of Jedi, and with the constant nerfing many will simply get fed up and stop sending the money. Poor business decision.