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Thread: 750 max damage lightsaber in action/My observation of current combat system.
XXCambriaXX wrote:
Normal Rifle Uber 450 min, 1340 max (760) also 1.0 more speed.. dmg(30 less) and with a PSG A jedi can take 50% off dmg???? and With 0004 Def a jedi can block 75%?....
Message Edited by XXCambriaXX on 10-04-2005 08:42 AM
4000 healer - 52
4000 Doc - 63
4000 CM - 73
XXCambriaXX wrote:
Bacta Shot - MCM, 100-300
Bacta Shot w/ docter 1.9k
listen to me...
You learn by listening
Listen to me I have a CM 4xxx.... and my bacta shot heals for 1.1k
You could do with taking your own advice chump.
and a CM uses some of those same pre-reqs to get BH or Rifles or Pistols, so those really shouldn't count as SP's invested to get 4000 CM. So, what, that brings a CM's invested skill points down to, oh, 54 with 29 invested in marksman.
ShabadooWilkins wrote:
It's also about skill points invested. 4000 healer uses fewer skill points than either 4000 Doc or 4000 CM, including all prerequisites.
4000 healer - 52
4000 Doc - 63
4000 CM - 73
Message Edited by sm1550 on 10-04-2005 12:02 PM
XXCambriaXX wrote:
Im the same .. exactly the same... why cant I get it up to 1k heals with Bacta Shot 1/4
Then you are either missing the paying attention part..... or just broken...either way I dont care tbh go talk to a CSR if your truely experiencing difficulty
ShabadooWilkins wrote:
It's also about skill points invested. 4000 healer uses fewer skill points than either 4000 Doc or 4000 CM, including all prerequisites.
4000 healer - 52
4000 Doc - 63
4000 CM - 73
See this is where we have to disagree.
If Jedi got armor, defenses, and an offense just by Mastering say LS, yep you are totally correct. If we didn't have to go into specific disciplines to get our skills you would have a valid argument but sorry when Jedi have to actually Master Defender to get the defenses that are given to a non-Jedi by just mastering a profession, skill point argument with healer won't fly.
4000 docter
4000 CM (w/ BE cloths) +17 Healing Eff
heals for like 1.5-2k on everything
those are the types of people that need nerfed, I think myself that since jedis onmly get one heal they should beable to heal every 3 seconds with less force cost because a guy who has less defence(likes powers) Just soaks up likes 1000 dmg per hit, I think they are the type of jedis that need the 3 sec heals, otherwise MDefs Shouldnt complain, lol I hit them for 99-150 dmg, but anyone else, Hell yeah I would complain.
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How did you come to that conclusion?
When you look at that chart it clearly shows you that anyone with a +15 HE food, some +25 HE BE clothes, and 0200 Medic (20 total SP) can heal for more than 1500 every 6 seconds.
Buku
Naritus
J4de wrote:
I would like to see a screenshot of your saber, really. My stats are 720'ish with 9fc and I have no problem with CMs with AB-sliced gear and great weapons while fully fooded. I have never once been unable to kill one of these bounty hunters, though I suppose if sone came after you while your HAM was down or your force was really low, it would be hard. But in an even contest (and that doesn't always happen) you should really win as a MLS with that saber...I know many who do not have that high of quality sabers and do just fine.
As for the argument, their healing does not really need a nerf. If we were to digress back and take their heals down at all, it would put them in a position where I doubt they would ever win a fair fight. Not saying all fights should be fair, but making it so that the only way a BH can get a win is by hoping their target is AFK, channeling, or low on HAM or force is kinda silly. Why should Jedi healing be balanced? We're not the same as normal professions. It's more like all of the disciplines in the Jedi world have very nice things which mirror their non-Jedi counterparts. Innate armor, armor break, good heals, melee/ranged defense mechanism (Aura), etc are all nice pieces of Jedi. You can't compare a single piece to a non-Jedi and so 'OMGZ, ours is worse than theirs.' Jedi are like a puzzle and you pick and choose things to complement each other to define your own role. A Master Defender/4xxx healer with at least 0404 Sabers becomes very hard for a ranged profession to defeat because of the strong defense and healing, the only downside is you are either going to be less varied in offense or you lack Enhancer, both weaknesses that can be exploited by whomever is attacking you.
You can't compare non-Jedi to Jedi skills all the time. If that were true, then we would have to give a non-Jedi profession the Avoid Incap ability because there is not one for them. And then perhaps they should have a force run ability (sans SL of course) that they can activate whenever they wish. See why you can't do this? Our healing is okay. If you find complements that make your gameplay work, then that's all you need. But honestly, with that kind of a saber, I find it impossible to believe that you are saying things like this.
And what is Feign Death?Or FOW but not as it were. Any kiting superiority with CM will eventually drain your force. That can account for the saber stat not having as great an impact. mls/md/4040 hlr will have to parwan and burst run to even keep a tag on a CM. I'm not sure he was entirely talking BH's, just the CM skill with any combat template may just run you out of force FTW.
All I can say is my BH alt, shoots 80m, hits more powerfully than my jedi specials has a 1200 max dmg un-puped tripple Crit slice laser rifle, 8K energy armor tripple AB slicedwith 94 SAC, adk psg and with roots, broken leggs, KD's startles and foods/ruby biel bug and a mind free 1200 stim if you can get 32m from me. Has more defense, more accuracy, and more actual speed that isnt broken than my jedi. In the open, many templates are just superior to jedi.
The only hope is to close the gap, no matter how weak or powerful your saber is. Mine being 608 or so mod dps, I do ok but as meh, I can keep the gap closed, some times it takes a long time, others just dont play CM well or are only 4000. The difficulty is very dependent on the situation, an under cover bh during pvp, or one flying in as you just finish a lair. The skilled CMs who paralyse and debuff before putting you on fire, kite- rinse and repeat till force is gone. They certainly have powers no jedi have, healing while in water, looks like a jesus bug, stand-on water and heal. I dont mind them having a chance for first assault and stand hand to hand for a bit. But to win by attrition is just wrong. It not the BH way IMHO.
That only gives you 45 Healing effiency which only allows a heal from Bacta Shot for 906 damage.
BukuJohnson wrote:
Jedi healing 4-0-0-0 is greater than even Master Combat Medic.
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How did you come to that conclusion?
When you look at that chart it clearly shows you that anyone with a +15 HE food, some +25 HE BE clothes, and 0200 Medic (20 total SP) can heal for more than 1500 every 6 seconds.
Buku
Naritus
heals for CM are like 900-1300 5 second timer bacta toss (random)
bacta Spray 3 second timer 700-900 (random)
Bacta Shot? (thats a doc ability Dumbass)
our bacta shot only heals for 100-200?...
Sabers are Only 750 dmg, but there min is amost triple
of what are min dmg is. 690 min for a 750 saber (730)
Normal Rifle Uber 450 min, 1340 max (760) also 1.0 more speed.. dmg(30 less) and with a PSG A jedi can take 50% off dmg???? and With 0004 Def a jedi can block 75%?....
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Look at your skills before you call someone a dumbass. Bacta shot is in NOVICE MEDIC.
The rest of your post I will leave alone as it was not discernable.
Buku
Naritus