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Thread: Focus Thread: Visibility Rules
emef wrote:
Question about vis...I have a freind who is a Jedi and he asks that when he is in a group that we stay away from him ( if we are waiting to join) so as to not generate visibility. He has been Jedi for a long time so I tend to believe him, but why would a PC of the same faction, in the same PA, generate vis? Any idea on distance so as to NOT spoil visibility?
It could be debated along time why do same faction people give you vis, but the important thing here is that it does. Your Jedi friend asks you to stay away untill you get an invite because even if you're same faction, same guild, same hair color, you will generate vis on him of you are closer tham 32 meters and not grouped. He'll probably ask you to stay away 50m while you wait to be invited. Once grouped, you will not cause him vis.
Also, before leaving a group containint Jedi that are careful about vis, always make sure you are 50m away from all of them before you leave the group. Leaving a group in combat while Jedi have sabers active will cause them vis because the second you are out of the group, you can potentially give vis.
enigma_writer wrote:Even when grouped if u use jedi skills around npc or other playersoutside of groupu get visibility.
I wish swg would make an announcement that when you reach a point when u get on terms u would get an alert that u are now on the terms and that need to be cautious....
Would also be nice if we got an alert that a mission had been taken on us without giving the name of the BH but know that would never happen because the Jedi would simply log half the time rather then risk the loss of xp.
"you feel a disturbance in the force" would be a great system message but ive seen that argued before too that it ruins the bounty hunters eliment of suprise. The saddest thing is that no one really knows the rules a 100%. Most people know the basics and the things that will definately cause vis but there are still so many factors that are just way to vague and unclear. We need a straight foward answer from the devs, some way to check our visibility, or perhaps the whole bh vs jedi forced pvp just needs to be done away with. Id prefer that the thing would be scrapped as it just causes so much hate, contention, strife, and last but not least turmoil. Leave pvp for those that really want to get involved in it (which visibility could solve that too if it wasnt so vague). Not all people want to get involved in pvp. Some people think mulitplayer is ment to be cooperative play. And dont say "well then you shouldnt have become a jedi" because thats not much of a valid argument either as it is almost the only thing to do in the game. After reading this post I am so confused on what does and what doesnt create visibility. I will just follow every thing ive read. Dont wear your robe in public. Dont have you title showing. Dont wear you saber in public. Never use the force in the slightest in public. Dont use the force in my house as my items might see me and anyone walking by as they all have xray vission. Store my vehicles, droids or pets, before using the force. Make sure group members dont call any pets, vehicles, or droids while grouped with them. And if a player from the opposing faction, blue dot on the radar for me, drives by while im hunting with my saber, log out and dont log in for 3 weeks. Does that sound about right or did i miss something?
1) In a NPC city, Do not equip your robes, Do not light your LS, Do not use any FP, Do not tune a Force Crystal.
2) Within 32M of an NPC or PC (unless you are grouped) Do not equip your robes, Do not light your LS, Do not use any FP,Do not tune a Force Crystal.
3) Do use your FP in your own house.
4) Do use your FP against animals if your solo.
5) When joining and leaving a group with a Jedi stay 50M away until you are "in" the group.
6) Do not just Disband a group when you have a Jedi present, allow him to get at leat 75M away before you disband.
I DO NOT like these rules but they seem to be the gist of what people are saying.
Robes are kind of strange.... and I would love to see what dev's might say about them.
Message Edited by emef on 09-14-2005 08:26 AM
Ok heres a real question that im confused about. Based onwhat i quoted above. When a member of the opposing faction drives by while you are hunting in a group wether intentional or not, does that mean your visibility is maxed and your name is now on the terminal?
UTech wrote:
An opposing faction member who views this action will add the full value of the action to the Jedi Visibility Value.
Unless they are further away than 32M
emef wrote:
Based on the rules that people have shared...yes.
Unless they are further away than 32M
that really sucks then...lol cuz there is no way to avoid that, other than never ever ever playing your jedi toon, or playing your jedi toon but never engaging in combat or taking part in content. Suggestion to SOE maybe players shouldnt cause visibility at all only npc's. Just an idea. I really like the idea of a way to check your visibility too. All that i know is something really needs to be done some way some how. Not too flame on any one or not because im a noob in this game, because ive been playing this almost since the beginning, and not because i dont know my template, because ive been practicing it alot, but because the whole thing just seems so one sided in favor of the bounty hunters. Just my oppinion any way and ive read alot of good arguements that say different. But shoot i unlocked about a month ago after working on it for over a year and a half. Thats a long time compared to most. What can i say im slow, but i did take a break for a while when JTL came out and was grinding pilot. As a fresh padawan or padanoob as some like to say, i have a really hard time defeating CL 80 bounty hunters as i keep dropping my non-jedi template skills to train in jedi skills and since i dont have that many jedi skills yet i get beat into submission by the attacking bounty hunters. I try hard to follow the rules of visibility but i still end up on the terminals. Probably because of what i just said, opposing faction players that drive by, close enough to the lairs im killing, max me out my vis and my mission is created. Ive tried running, ive tried fighting, yet nothing works too well. I still try to be a good sport about it when i loose 300k xp upon death though. Im always the first to congradulate the bounty hunter that wiped the floor with me, but i must admit it can get annoying. But no matter what SWG is still my outlet from stress with real life issues.
I think that rather than a list of what generates vis, We should be lobbying for a way to check on your own visibility. Nothing specific, maybe something like the /che function when some of use were trying to get glowie. Even better, have it so that our Jedi trainers also double as spies and has the ability to tell us "Your actions have drawn condsiderable interest, I suggest you make yourself less OBVIOUS in your actions" or something vague like that.
While I would love to have a visible number, it would just be nice to have a way to check if you should be hiding out at the bottom of the spider cave for a few weeks for those risk averse Jedi.
As for the problem with dropping fighting skills for Jedi I really do see your point abbink, maybe you can find a fully templated Jedi that can help...maybe a PA would watch your back. As a BH now, with Jedi in our PA, I look out for them all the time, constantly playing "recon" so if/when they get jumped, they at least get my warning.
I have been running around many starports with FR1 on for a few months and I don't think I've gain any vis. If I did, then no BH's are coming for me at least. 99% of the time, I log on, turn on FR1 and never turn it off the whole time I'm playing. So if that was giving me vis, then I'm sure I would have seen a few BH's after me, yet I haven't had any in about 2 months. I'm absolutely sure the last time I was on the terms it was because of group grinding with my guildies back before group vis was taken out. Since then, I haven't been on the terms.
So I'm assuming that force run and maybe force speed only cause vis when you first activate them within 32m of a character. Having them on already and then going to a starport don't seem to give vis from my experience.
Now if I'm wrong, then I'm sitting on the terms and BH's just don't take my mission (I highly doubt that). Since I do about 6 hours of grinding saturdays and sundays and 2 - 3 hours during weekdays, I should have had some kind of Bh attacks if force Run and force speed causes vis by having them on (already activated and running)in startports.
Pre-CU you could kill Kunga's all day and never get vis, you just had to let them agro you, and never hit with anything other then the basic attack. Now that even saber strike uses force, you can't do that anymore. now you'd have to spend HOURS to check what gives vis.
I do know that equiping/unequiping robes never used to give vis, but that could have changed when they started showing the buff on the bar(although i don't see why that would have changed)
Not like it matters though, i've been on the terminals since the CU and haven't seen a single BH since that BH terminal nerf... i mean upgrade(you know, where they took the names off the terminals. not that it wasn't a good idea, but they should have given you the name when you talked to the spynet guy. Sure it would be possible to gank, but the time it would take to do that would be stupid difficult.)