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Thread: Focus Thread: Visibility Rules
This is what a fellow High Councilor wrote to the guild in his earlier days, after his padawan studies of visibility:
*cough cough* are we recording...? nice...
This is Eigles, colonel to the Rebel Alliance, Jedi ınitiate, Member of the Jedi council. I am preparing this recording to assist other new members of our council. Depending on the success, I will try to prepare more.
What I will try to explain tonight, is, the matter of so called visibility. As most of us already know, the rewards Empire, and sometimes, as they learn our names from spies unenlightened Rebel Alliance commander places on our heads, can reach hundreds of thousands credits. For this, and sometimes for the pure thrill of the hunt, or, maybe to test and prove their skills, Bounty Hunters of every type and size will be coming after us. But, how do they identify us.
A few simple, and often overlooked facts. Every living creature potentially can sense force, albeit in a passive way. And every creature is connected to each other via force. Darth Vader, the so-called Sith Lord, theoretically, can sense every time force is used, no matter how distant, through that connection. Still, this is a large galaxy, after all, and, it seems only sentient, creatures seem to be able to transmit force signals, if you will, this way. Using force to enlighten ourselves, learn and act, will not create a ripple in this connection much, as we tend to instictively mask ourselves... But, if there is another sentient creature nearby, our masking ability seems to not to work that well... thus, we enter into the systems. The range for... this effect to happen, seems to be exactly 36 meters, from what I read in the reclaimed Holocrons. The incidents of this network being triggered is based directly on the amount of force used.
Second way we are recognized is, through our tools. Strangely, our robes do not cause any recognition, despite, Jedi dress code being almost uniform. Too many wanna be's I guess, for it to be a reliable identification method.
Carrying a lightsaber in hand is also not grounds for recognition, unless you ignite it of course. Though, taking one in hand is, because, our lightsabers are powered by crystals... Force crystals, which, come to life, when they are held in our hands, probably making a fast connection that sends ripples outwards, which, can once again be sensed subconciously. So is removing our lightsaber dangerous, as that connection is cut, another ripple is sent... My senses are not precise enough for me to note this effect, so at this point I would like one of the masters to correct me, if they will...
Having a lightsaber in hand is dangerous, for when attacked, our first instictive reaction is to light up our sabers in defense, when we have them ready. even if we do not conciously use force guided attacks, a lgihtsaber leaves tell tale marks on corpses that can easily be identified... and when our lightsabers are active, we are unconciously guiding the force through them, and our tool.
So, rule of thumb is, unless you wish Vader to know your existence, and place a bounty on your head. Keep yourself Hidden. Until we are ready, we are strong, and public is once again ready to accept us back we must stay hidden. If not for our sakes, then for the sakes of the innocents who will be caught in crossfire.
Still, even with our precognition and wisdom, mistakes do happen, and you get identified. Three ways out of that one. First, hide, and lie low, but I mean truly low. Get on a spaceship, and hyperspace to somewhere unknown... before a standart month passes, and from what I have learned from my contacts, standart bounty hunter update is three weeks. This is what I suggest for the most new jedi, those who have just got their training lightsaber.
Second, arrange for a medical profesisonal, and, have yourself killed. With the medical technology available, you can be returned to life within five, or in some instances ten minutes of clinical death. Most bounty hunters will not glance back after they place the lethal shot at you. Your medical expert then revive you, giving you the anonymous identity back. The process of being this close to death then back will take a lot from you and your conection to the force, but not as much as it would
if you were forced to use a spaarti cylinder, or if the rumour is correct, reform yourself at a shrine with the aid of force.
Third, fight back. I dont suggest this except for the most experienced Knights though. as the endless waves of bounty hunters will come after you, and... until your name is forgotten again, they will keep on coming.
This is all I have to say, for now. once again, I would wish to hear from our esteemed masters and my brethen jedi, on the matter.
Message Edited by LordCharly on 09-12-2005 07:01 PM
PhantomNIR wrote:I used to grind at the squill cave daily. The ONLY time I had a BH come for me was when I went with a fellow Jedi and we slaughtered everything in there as a team. There is an NPC in the cave and if you aren't careful, the twists and turns WILL take you within range of him. There is also a possibility that NPC's that spawn on top of the cave could also be in vis range.
Whenever I follow the basic rules: Don't equip/unequip saber/robe, ignite saber, use any force consuming ability within 32m of an NPC/Player...Idon'tget on the terms.
I'm not sure about the robe but, no point chancing it IF you want to stay off the terms.
Some final clarity from the devs would be much appreciated on this issue.
I had seen reports of this with the narglatch cave as well. I haven't been there in a while, but I don't think that there are any NPCs in range inside that cave. I think that dungeons might warrant a specific warning-they might give vis regardless of whether there is an NPC/another PC present.
this is why i dont bother submitting tickes anymore
Baciacca wrote:
CrashNgoBoom wrote:
Update your drivers. lol
I have see CSR tickets from our server that tell friends to change their Video Cards to clear visibility.
Great thread, all information and no whinning.
Another one for thought.
It is my understanding that playing your alt toon, the free unlock on the same account, accelerates the decay.
IE, the more time the alt is logged, the faster the vis decays for the Jedi.
Is this true?
With regard to documentation for this game. I harped on this at FanFest and the devs committed to producing a online accessable game manual that they would update regularly.
Anyone ever seen it? I have not, so another empty commitment.
I also get the bad feeling that the current devs do not know the game cause no one has ever completely and accurately documented this game from the beginning. I think this is a major reason why QA / QC of the game / patches / expansions is so weak. Can't really QA something unelss at least one person really understands how it is supposed to work.
Announcerharris wrote:
Congratulations, not a single one of you can read the FAQ's but together by SonG?
Visibility:
You gain visibility by equipping a lightsaber, initiating combat with a lightsaber, and using any Jedi-related skills that consume Force power within range of other players or NPC's. You will gain a little at a time for using it in front of a few people. Do it in front of a lot of people (like in a starport) and you will almost immediately appear on the BH Terminals.
The range for visibility is 32 meters. Performing any of the above acts in front of PC/NPC’s within that range will increase your visibility.
It is unknown if you gain visibility for just having a lightsaber or robe equipped.
It is also unknown if you gain visibility only upon using a force power or if having a latent Force power active in front of others (such as Force Run or Force Armor) will gain you visibility as well.
It is rumoured that only NPC's that you can loot credits off of will count towards gaining visibility (but they all seem to drop credits now after publish 10.2).
The increase to a Jedi's Visibility Value (JVV) is determined as follows:
An opposing faction member who views this action will add the full value of the action to the Jedi Visibility Value.
ACivilian PC or non-animal NPC will increase the JVV by 50 percent of the action's Jedi Visibility Modifier.
A same-faction PC or non-animal NPC will increase the JVV by 25 percent of the action's Jedi Visibility Modifier.
Being grouped with a PC or non-animal NPC who is viewing this action has no influence on how Jedi Visibility is obtained. In other words, group members will still increase your visibility regardless.
Note that forCivilian Jedi everyone else is consideredCivilian when calculating the increase to visibility. No one is considered to be of an allied or opposing faction and will always increase the JVV by 50 percent of the action’s Jedi Visibility Modifier.
Visibility decays over time, taking three weeks to decay fully.
Taken from: http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=jedi&message.id=473607
Seriously Bac, don't you even know whats in the FAQ? /sigh
Yeah, and that was written 07/2004. Alot has changed since then.
The latest change in Robes has given them the tag --- Force Power
This would lead me to beleive that just wearing the robes is considered use of a force power and that they now generate vis under the old using force powers within 32m of a player/NPC rule.
Makes sense to me as Jedi Robes are iconic and allow easy identifaction of someone as a jedi.
if u only have force run 1 and u trun it on in the middle of nowhere and come into town with it on do u get vis. u are not using force so my guess is no but i amnot sure.
Message Edited by san-br on 09-13-2005 05:36 PM