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Thread: DWB Exploiters are going to get Cloak NERFED

SydneyIntrepid
Mon Aug 22, 2005 9:13 pm
#66

Why are you complaining, the only people who should get flamed are the jedi defending it. All that needs to be done is A, make cloak master (which it should be anyways would fix a lot of other PvP things) and make it so cloaked jedi cant open a container while cloaked.



This week really isnt a good time to start "stuff" with me...
Next week isnt looking so hot either....



Ialwysdie
Mon Aug 22, 2005 9:29 pm
#67






SydneyIntrepid wrote:
Why are you complaining, the only people who should get flamed are the jedi defending it. All that needs to be done is A, make cloak master (which it should be anyways would fix a lot of other PvP things) and make it so cloaked jedi cant open a container while cloaked.





Making Droids immune to the effects of Cloak solves the problem.


Moving the ability to master changes nothing.


I don't see why a Cloaked Jedi would not be able to open acontainer. He is not vanished from the face of the planet he is just using the force to conceal himself from others. This affect should only affect players, and NON droid NPC's.


Kurso
Mon Aug 22, 2005 9:40 pm
#68


Where did cloak come from anyway? Did we get it because WoW has it? I've never been deep into Star Wars lore but I don't recall seeing it in the movies. I do recall Jedi being able to 'hide' thier presence. But I alway took this to mean that Jedi could hide the fact that they were Force Sensetive from other Jedi (much like the Emperor did from the Jedi counsol) rather than turning invisible.


But it's here to stay so I hope everyone can come to so agreement on how it should work before the Devs make up thier own mind. We all know how well that usually goes...


Oh, and if we are saying Cloak is a Jedi mind trick should it really work against other Jedi? Just a thought.

Message Edited by Kurso on 08-22-2005 09:42 PM



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Ialwysdie
Mon Aug 22, 2005 9:44 pm
#69






Kurso wrote:

Where did cloak come from anyway? Did we get it because WoW has it? I've never been deep into Star Wars lore but I don't recall seeing it in the movies. I do recall Jedi being able to 'hide' thier presence. But I alway took this to mean that Jedi could hide the fact that they were Force Sensetive from other Jedi (much like the Emperor did from the Jedi counsol) rather than turning invisible.


But it's here to stay so I hope everyone can come to so agreement on how it should work before the Devs make up thier own mind. We all know how well that usually goes...








Your probably right in the regards to WOW but more likely is deriving from EQ 2's stealth ability from scout or the Invisibility spell that mage's have.


We do need a to find a solution because just like you say the Dev's take things to the extremes rather then finding a middle ground somewhere.


I stand by my Droid being immune to Cloak.


Those Jedi who have it that say otherwise just like the fact they have an ability that can thwart certain game mechanics.
St1lgar
Mon Aug 22, 2005 9:59 pm
#70






Kurso wrote:


Where did cloak come from anyway? Did we get it because WoW has it? I've never been deep into Star Wars lore but I don't recall seeing it in the movies. I do recall Jedi being able to 'hide' thier presence. But I alway took this to mean that Jedi could hide the fact that they were Force Sensetive from other Jedi (much like the Emperor did from the Jedi counsol) rather than turning invisible.


But it's here to stay so I hope everyone can come to so agreement on how it should work before the Devs make up thier own mind. We all know how well that usually goes...


Oh, and if we are saying Cloak is a Jedi mind trick should it really work against other Jedi? Just a thought.

Message Edited by Kurso on 08-22-2005 09:42 PM





Cloak existed in the other Starwars Games i think.. not really sure anymore but in Jedi Knight: Mysteries of the Sith the skill existed i believe...


However cloak was also beeing used in the films.... When Obiwan is on Mustafar and orders his droid to leave with the ship he actually bords the ship and is later outside his shipin his cloak Same way he later bords Padmes Ship .. it was just so that he wasnt really invisible..


Orthell
Mon Aug 22, 2005 10:09 pm
#71



Kurso wrote:
All servers seem to have a problem with cloaked Jedi repeatedly looting the DWB drops and spawning countless SBDs. And in some cases drawing these SBDs to groups that attempt to use the DWB so they will not compete with the loot whores doing it. Any time Jedi do something that has a negative effect on gameply for others we are going to get hit with another NERF bat.
Don't you think we get enough complaints about Jedi already? Do we really need another nerf because a few Jedi think the DWB belongs to them alone? Grow up people!





Now this is something on cloak that I agree is going to force a darn nerf. I hate talk about nerfing cloak, but come on people, use it responsibly!







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Virtuell
Mon Aug 22, 2005 10:11 pm
#72


Hello nerfherders. All you talk is about nerfs. Why not nerf the entire game so all professions are alike the there will be no more whining about this and that... ohwell, then the whining is all about all professions are alike.


NERF on!


Getting tired of that word, better to say fix, nerf is a bad word where ever it is used.

So make it the DWB instanced instead of nerf this and that,

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Ialwysdie
Mon Aug 22, 2005 10:12 pm
#73






Orthell wrote:





Kurso wrote:

All servers seem to have a problem with cloaked Jedi repeatedly looting the DWB drops and spawning countless SBDs. And in some cases drawing these SBDs to groups that attempt to use the DWB so they will not compete with the loot whores doing it. Any time Jedi do something that has a negative effect on gameply for others we are going to get hit with another NERF bat.


Don't you think we get enough complaints about Jedi already? Do we really need another nerf because a few Jedi think the DWB belongs to them alone? Grow up people!







Now this is something on cloak that I agree is going to force a darn nerf. I hate talk about nerfing cloak, but come on people, use it responsibly!





I made a suggestion for Droids to be Immune to Cloak.


BD's and SBD's don't have minds to cloud so Cloaked jedi should be able to be openly attacked by them.


viper2780
Mon Aug 22, 2005 10:32 pm
#74

Please stop whining and saying that cloakers are ruining your death watch bunker experience by looting the chest at the beginning because every person has a chance to loot it. Its not justJedis with cloak but also Jediswith Avoid Incap or just people with burstrun could run down there and loot it real fast. Its just like the aakuan cave afk campers, people complain about them saying they are stealing all there lootjust so they can camp the same thing.


You guys are also saying that cloakers get all the agro on you in the dwb by leading all the npcs to you? Unless you arean idiot and you use an area attack, area heal, or buff somonewhen all the npcs come by you they arent going to agro you. The jedi cant stay down there long with 20 npcs on him without losing all his force in the process. I do agree that you should report these people for doing stuff like that but not to nerf the skill all together. Like other people posted nerf the people not the skill.
KaliDae
Mon Aug 22, 2005 10:36 pm
#75

If you keep yelling cloakers are exploiting DWB in Jedi Forums, you're going to get it nerfed





No sig, I'm boring.



Kurso
Mon Aug 22, 2005 10:38 pm
#76






viper2780 wrote:

Please stop whining and saying that cloakers are ruining your death watch bunker experience by looting the chest at the beginning because every person has a chance to loot it. Its not justJedis with cloak but also Jediswith Avoid Incap or just people with burstrun could run down there and loot it real fast. Its just like the aakuan cave afk campers, people complain about them saying they are stealing all there lootjust so they can camp the same thing.


You guys are also saying that cloakers get all the agro on you in the dwb by leading all the npcs to you? Unless you arean idiot and you use an area attack, area heal, or buff somonewhen all the npcs come by you they arent going to agro you. The jedi cant stay down there long with 20 npcs on him without losing all his force in the process. I do agree that you should report these people for doing stuff like that but not to nerf the skill all together. Like other people posted nerf the people not the skill.





Who cares about the first bin? There are other bins in the DWB that drop higher end pieces. While they are all a problem I would say the first bin is the least camped.


As for the agro many people have had this problem. If you are in combat with another NPC and someone draws agro to you they will attack you. As a matter of fact I real one time we have 8 peeople standing in the second keydrop spawn waiting for the NPC to appear (nobody attacking anything) and without warning 10 Super Battle Droids come running by and kill 6 of the 8 people INSTANTLY. It does happen and will continue to happen until something is done about it. While I agree the player doing it is ultimately responsible for it allowing this type of game mechanic to continue does not make sense at all.



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Kurso
Mon Aug 22, 2005 10:39 pm
#77







KaliDae wrote:

If you keep yelling cloakers are exploiting DWB in Jedi Forums, you're going to get it nerfed





Are you suggesting that we should just ignore it and not go down there anymore so the cloakers or the DWB doesn't get nerfed?



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VilKaleThaos
Tue Aug 23, 2005 1:24 am
#78


kurso wrote;


WHAT?!?! Are you stupid or just playing stupid. It explicity states you must follow the 'Rules of Conduct'


"Harassment is defined as specifically targeting another player or group of players to harm or inconvenience them."


Training NPCs onto another group CLEARLY falls under this and IS, repeat IS a violation of the EULA.


Read before you speak.



bad news kurso, the 'rules of conduct' as u point out are to protect u form getting harassed, sexualy or about your race, religon etc.

THEY ARE FOR U THE GAMER, not the toon u play.

think about what u are saying, if we are overt and fighting and i run into a base and u and your friends get killed by the npc mob its an exploit?

inconvenienced? LOL then lets nerf all the crafting cause its an inconvenience to have to pay so much, or cause a tkm/master doc stays in the geo caves and kills the acklay all day and is able to out last and out damage all others he is exploting?

people like u will nerf this whole game till every profession sucks just enough to not be good at anything.

your just all wet cause someone got u killed and u think its not fair, report the player, get cloaked not to agro npc's, but this is LAME

nerf nerf nerf nerf

stop cryingand go read a book.
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