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Thread: Jedi in the Combat Upgrade
Catseye_Yellow wrote:
I think alot to do with the Jedi cant really be talked about due to the lack of mention on the doc released already...
The commando corr said LS dmg is going away... well according to the doc All weapons will be Kin or Energy.. well since LS is a weapon you figure it out...
Sorry lol, can't believe you would even give this a pass. He says LS damage is going away yet that damage is the very reason why we have ZERO armor. Here's something you can think about, maybe the devs didn't want him to say ANYTHING because they don't know if they are giving Jedi armor or not. Ever think about that?
as for MBH being worth it.. alone with the new health going up with what seems to be Mastery of a Prof that makes sense to me that mastering BH will be worth it.. plus I am guessing that Jedi will be moved to MBH since they are getting away from the dabbling so to speak.....
Come on, were we reading the same thread. I've heard about defending people but even Commandos in that VERY thread were asking why he is giving so much information that was NOT in the statement of Blair.
Right now in a true 1 vs 1 against a Paddy MBH do already win.. plus no telling yet what is in the cards for the Elite abilities.. since again health is on Master boxes.. a grinding paddy will lose some health as they transfer into their Jedi abilities making them weaker until they get the new master again this points out that a MBH will be really tough for a paddy to handle...
lol, yeah I'm sure he was talking about a Paddy /rollseyes. You can't honestly be that ignorant can you? Why would he even mention MTK stackers if he was not talking about completed templates/Knights. As you said MBH already not only win against paddies, they destroy them. Think about it.
So is the NDA being broken? dunno there is information released that backs up what was being said.. also note that the talks didnt really start til after the docs were made public.. and if you actually read and think you would already have that knowledge that is being posted...
Time to stop thinking up excuses for this Correspondent. He broke the NDA and worse off basically said a profession is going to be easily handled by another (neither of which are HIS profession).
Jedi will have good things to come as well I am sure.. just with the prof not being discussed in the docs SG cant talk about them due to the lack of info... I am guessing that the CH though not mentioned in the docs either really will get the boost to revamping the pets since animals will be realigned and their pets are animals...
Which is the very essance of whyit was WRONG for this Correspondent to flat out state the very Profession we are mortal enemies will be able to kill us like MTK stackers do atm. Forget what "good things" we having coming, what point is there if you die easily to a BH?
Read and think things through before posting knee jerk reactions.....
I've never ever bashed another correspondent because it's frankly a thankless job. This guy broke the NDA and has now caused the Jedi community to wonder if we just waisted a year of our lives. Knee jerk reactions is going off on Tanks for saying he thinks MBH's have nothing to worry about because their problems/complaints will be handled in the CURB. He NEVER flat out says Jedi are going to be killed easy like MTK stackers do today.
Look I'm not going to get into arguements on whether the Commando correspondent is a good person or not BUT did you even read that thread by the Commando Correspondent? He went well beyond ANYONE in describing what is coming for that profession. READ it again.
Now I'm not saying that he is wrong for saying what pertains to HIS profession, FINE so be it. I'm all for getting more information out there if it helps players get an understanding of where their profession stands. However he went over the line, PERIOD. Once you start saying X is going to be pwned by X just like in the current system......you tell me if you think he broke the NDA.
Defend him/her all you want I could care less. He broke the NDA going into detail with his profession and then the biggest thing was actually talking crap about another profession knowing full well we have no idea what the hell he is talking about and no one (not even our correspondent) can answer WHY he thinks this way. This is the very reason why the Devs told them to shut their mouths. Tanks always gives hints, but in no way did he EVER come out and say MBH will be pwning Jedi like Melee stackers do today. He always says it will be worth it to master BH and no one will be better to handle Jedi than a BH. Compare that to what the Commando correpsondent says, BH will extrememly powerful and together with Commando will handle Jedi easily.
At least I know one of the Correspondents who was yelling for nerfs, it's all to clear.
WookieOgre wrote:
Catseye_Yellow wrote:
I think alot to do with the Jedi cant really be talked about due to the lack of mention on the doc released already...
The commando corr said LS dmg is going away... well according to the doc All weapons will be Kin or Energy.. well since LS is a weapon you figure it out...
Sorry lol, can't believe you would even give this a pass. He says LS damage is going away yet that damage is the very reason why we have ZERO armor. Here's something you can think about, maybe the devs didn't want him to say ANYTHING because they don't know if they are giving Jedi armor or not. Ever think about that?
Actually the Devs said All weapons will be Kinetic or Energy if they didnt want that mentioned maybe they should have removed that statement
as for MBH being worth it.. alone with the new health going up with what seems to be Mastery of a Prof that makes sense to me that mastering BH will be worth it.. plus I am guessing that Jedi will be moved to MBH since they are getting away from the dabbling so to speak.....
Come on, were we reading the same thread. I've heard about defending people but even Commandos in that VERY thread were asking why he is giving so much information that was NOT in the statement of Blair.
I noted you did not address the paragraph you posted the above about
Right now in a true 1 vs 1 against a Paddy MBH do already win.. plus no telling yet what is in the cards for the Elite abilities.. since again health is on Master boxes.. a grinding paddy will lose some health as they transfer into their Jedi abilities making them weaker until they get the new master again this points out that a MBH will be really tough for a paddy to handle...
lol, yeah I'm sure he was talking about a Paddy /rollseyes. You can't honestly be that ignorant can you? Why would he even mention MTK stackers if he was not talking about completed templates/Knights. As you said MBH already not only win against paddies, they destroy them. Think about it.
There were no ranks named in the post just some jedi.. you are assuming as I am on the reasoning on the chat what makes yours better than mine? and I never said MBH destroy paddy... after the CU is when we will destroy them
So is the NDA being broken? dunno there is information released that backs up what was being said.. also note that the talks didnt really start til after the docs were made public.. and if you actually read and think you would already have that knowledge that is being posted...
Time to stop thinking up excuses for this Correspondent. He broke the NDA and worse off basically said a profession is going to be easily handled by another (neither of which are HIS profession).
Again lets return to the above paragraph you are assuming Knights I am thinking Paddy.. no mention was made of ranks again you are jumping farther than you need to be
Jedi will have good things to come as well I am sure.. just with the prof not being discussed in the docs SG cant talk about them due to the lack of info... I am guessing that the CH though not mentioned in the docs either really will get the boost to revamping the pets since animals will be realigned and their pets are animals...
Which is the very essance of whyit was WRONG for this Correspondent to flat out state the very Profession we are mortal enemies will be able to kill us like MTK stackers do atm. Forget what "good things" we having coming, what point is there if you die easily to a BH?
Again the assumpution that all Jedi are created equal.. You are right if they are talking Knight but you are wrong if talking paddy..
Read and think things through before posting knee jerk reactions.....
I've never ever bashed another correspondent because it's frankly a thankless job. This guy broke the NDA and has now caused the Jedi community to wonder if we just waisted a year of our lives. Knee jerk reactions is going off on Tanks for saying he thinks MBH's have nothing to worry about because their problems/complaints will be handled in the CURB. He NEVER flat out says Jedi are going to be killed easy like MTK stackers do today.
Reference the Knight Paddy misconception that you have gotten on both are Jedi
Look I'm not going to get into arguements on whether the Commando correspondent is a good person or not BUT did you even read that thread by the Commando Correspondent? He went well beyond ANYONE in describing what is coming for that profession. READ it again.
I have read it
Now I'm not saying that he is wrong for saying what pertains to HIS profession, FINE so be it. I'm all for getting more information out there if it helps players get an understanding of where their profession stands. However he went over the line, PERIOD. Once you start saying X is going to be pwned by X just like in the current system......you tell me if you think he broke the NDA.
Again he never said Knights you are assuming that he said some jedi in 1 vs 1 battles.. maybe you should reread the post
Defend him/her all you want I could care less. He broke the NDA going into detail with his profession and then the biggest thing was actually talking crap about another profession knowing full well we have no idea what the hell he is talking about and no one (not even our correspondent) can answer WHY he thinks this way. This is the very reason why the Devs told them to shut their mouths. Tanks always gives hints, but in no way did he EVER come out and say MBH will be pwning Jedi like Melee stackers do today. He always says it will be worth it to master BH and no one will be better to handle Jedi than a BH. Compare that to what the Commando correpsondent says, BH will extrememly powerful and together with Commando will handle Jedi easily.
They do not need defending since they posted on what was released
At least I know one of the Correspondents who was yelling for nerfs, it's all to clear.
Catseye_Yellow wrote:
WookieOgre wrote:
Catseye_Yellow wrote:
I think alot to do with the Jedi cant really be talked about due to the lack of mention on the doc released already...
The commando corr said LS dmg is going away... well according to the doc All weapons will be Kin or Energy.. well since LS is a weapon you figure it out...
Sorry lol, can't believe you would even give this a pass. He says LS damage is going away yet that damage is the very reason why we have ZERO armor. Here's something you can think about, maybe the devs didn't want him to say ANYTHING because they don't know if they are giving Jedi armor or not. Ever think about that?
Actually the Devs said All weapons will be Kinetic or Energy if they didnt want that mentioned maybe they should have removed that statement
as for MBH being worth it.. alone with the new health going up with what seems to be Mastery of a Prof that makes sense to me that mastering BH will be worth it.. plus I am guessing that Jedi will be moved to MBH since they are getting away from the dabbling so to speak.....
Come on, were we reading the same thread. I've heard about defending people but even Commandos in that VERY thread were asking why he is giving so much information that was NOT in the statement of Blair.
I noted you did not address the paragraph you posted the above about
Right now in a true 1 vs 1 against a Paddy MBH do already win.. plus no telling yet what is in the cards for the Elite abilities.. since again health is on Master boxes.. a grinding paddy will lose some health as they transfer into their Jedi abilities making them weaker until they get the new master again this points out that a MBH will be really tough for a paddy to handle...
lol, yeah I'm sure he was talking about a Paddy /rollseyes. You can't honestly be that ignorant can you? Why would he even mention MTK stackers if he was not talking about completed templates/Knights. As you said MBH already not only win against paddies, they destroy them. Think about it.
There were no ranks named in the post just some jedi.. you are assuming as I am on the reasoning on the chat what makes yours better than mine? and I never said MBH destroy paddy... after the CU is when we will destroy them
So is the NDA being broken? dunno there is information released that backs up what was being said.. also note that the talks didnt really start til after the docs were made public.. and if you actually read and think you would already have that knowledge that is being posted...
Time to stop thinking up excuses for this Correspondent. He broke the NDA and worse off basically said a profession is going to be easily handled by another (neither of which are HIS profession).
Again lets return to the above paragraph you are assuming Knights I am thinking Paddy.. no mention was made of ranks again you are jumping farther than you need to be
Jedi will have good things to come as well I am sure.. just with the prof not being discussed in the docs SG cant talk about them due to the lack of info... I am guessing that the CH though not mentioned in the docs either really will get the boost to revamping the pets since animals will be realigned and their pets are animals...
Which is the very essance of whyit was WRONG for this Correspondent to flat out state the very Profession we are mortal enemies will be able to kill us like MTK stackers do atm. Forget what "good things" we having coming, what point is there if you die easily to a BH?
Again the assumpution that all Jedi are created equal.. You are right if they are talking Knight but you are wrong if talking paddy..
Read and think things through before posting knee jerk reactions.....
I've never ever bashed another correspondent because it's frankly a thankless job. This guy broke the NDA and has now caused the Jedi community to wonder if we just waisted a year of our lives. Knee jerk reactions is going off on Tanks for saying he thinks MBH's have nothing to worry about because their problems/complaints will be handled in the CURB. He NEVER flat out says Jedi are going to be killed easy like MTK stackers do today.
Reference the Knight Paddy misconception that you have gotten on both are Jedi
Look I'm not going to get into arguements on whether the Commando correspondent is a good person or not BUT did you even read that thread by the Commando Correspondent? He went well beyond ANYONE in describing what is coming for that profession. READ it again.
I have read it
Now I'm not saying that he is wrong for saying what pertains to HIS profession, FINE so be it. I'm all for getting more information out there if it helps players get an understanding of where their profession stands. However he went over the line, PERIOD. Once you start saying X is going to be pwned by X just like in the current system......you tell me if you think he broke the NDA.
Again he never said Knights you are assuming that he said some jedi in 1 vs 1 battles.. maybe you should reread the post
Defend him/her all you want I could care less. He broke the NDA going into detail with his profession and then the biggest thing was actually talking crap about another profession knowing full well we have no idea what the hell he is talking about and no one (not even our correspondent) can answer WHY he thinks this way. This is the very reason why the Devs told them to shut their mouths. Tanks always gives hints, but in no way did he EVER come out and say MBH will be pwning Jedi like Melee stackers do today. He always says it will be worth it to master BH and no one will be better to handle Jedi than a BH. Compare that to what the Commando correpsondent says, BH will extrememly powerful and together with Commando will handle Jedi easily.
They do not need defending since they posted on what was released
At least I know one of the Correspondents who was yelling for nerfs, it's all to clear.
Bobo3k wrote:
Catseye_Yellow wrote:
WookieOgre wrote:
Catseye_Yellow wrote:
I think alot to do with the Jedi cant really be talked about due to the lack of mention on the doc released already...
The commando corr said LS dmg is going away... well according to the doc All weapons will be Kin or Energy.. well since LS is a weapon you figure it out...
Sorry lol, can't believe you would even give this a pass. He says LS damage is going away yet that damage is the very reason why we have ZERO armor. Here's something you can think about, maybe the devs didn't want him to say ANYTHING because they don't know if they are giving Jedi armor or not. Ever think about that?
Actually the Devs said All weapons will be Kinetic or Energy if they didnt want that mentioned maybe they should have removed that statement
as for MBH being worth it.. alone with the new health going up with what seems to be Mastery of a Prof that makes sense to me that mastering BH will be worth it.. plus I am guessing that Jedi will be moved to MBH since they are getting away from the dabbling so to speak.....
Come on, were we reading the same thread. I've heard about defending people but even Commandos in that VERY thread were asking why he is giving so much information that was NOT in the statement of Blair.
I noted you did not address the paragraph you posted the above about
Right now in a true 1 vs 1 against a Paddy MBH do already win.. plus no telling yet what is in the cards for the Elite abilities.. since again health is on Master boxes.. a grinding paddy will lose some health as they transfer into their Jedi abilities making them weaker until they get the new master again this points out that a MBH will be really tough for a paddy to handle...
lol, yeah I'm sure he was talking about a Paddy /rollseyes. You can't honestly be that ignorant can you? Why would he even mention MTK stackers if he was not talking about completed templates/Knights. As you said MBH already not only win against paddies, they destroy them. Think about it.
There were no ranks named in the post just some jedi.. you are assuming as I am on the reasoning on the chat what makes yours better than mine? and I never said MBH destroy paddy... after the CU is when we will destroy them
So is the NDA being broken? dunno there is information released that backs up what was being said.. also note that the talks didnt really start til after the docs were made public.. and if you actually read and think you would already have that knowledge that is being posted...
Time to stop thinking up excuses for this Correspondent. He broke the NDA and worse off basically said a profession is going to be easily handled by another (neither of which are HIS profession).
Again lets return to the above paragraph you are assuming Knights I am thinking Paddy.. no mention was made of ranks again you are jumping farther than you need to be
Jedi will have good things to come as well I am sure.. just with the prof not being discussed in the docs SG cant talk about them due to the lack of info... I am guessing that the CH though not mentioned in the docs either really will get the boost to revamping the pets since animals will be realigned and their pets are animals...
Which is the very essance of whyit was WRONG for this Correspondent to flat out state the very Profession we are mortal enemies will be able to kill us like MTK stackers do atm. Forget what "good things" we having coming, what point is there if you die easily to a BH?
Again the assumpution that all Jedi are created equal.. You are right if they are talking Knight but you are wrong if talking paddy..
Read and think things through before posting knee jerk reactions.....
I've never ever bashed another correspondent because it's frankly a thankless job. This guy broke the NDA and has now caused the Jedi community to wonder if we just waisted a year of our lives. Knee jerk reactions is going off on Tanks for saying he thinks MBH's have nothing to worry about because their problems/complaints will be handled in the CURB. He NEVER flat out says Jedi are going to be killed easy like MTK stackers do today.
Reference the Knight Paddy misconception that you have gotten on both are Jedi
Look I'm not going to get into arguements on whether the Commando correspondent is a good person or not BUT did you even read that thread by the Commando Correspondent? He went well beyond ANYONE in describing what is coming for that profession. READ it again.
I have read it
Now I'm not saying that he is wrong for saying what pertains to HIS profession, FINE so be it. I'm all for getting more information out there if it helps players get an understanding of where their profession stands. However he went over the line, PERIOD. Once you start saying X is going to be pwned by X just like in the current system......you tell me if you think he broke the NDA.
Again he never said Knights you are assuming that he said some jedi in 1 vs 1 battles.. maybe you should reread the post
Defend him/her all you want I could care less. He broke the NDA going into detail with his profession and then the biggest thing was actually talking crap about another profession knowing full well we have no idea what the hell he is talking about and no one (not even our correspondent) can answer WHY he thinks this way. This is the very reason why the Devs told them to shut their mouths. Tanks always gives hints, but in no way did he EVER come out and say MBH will be pwning Jedi like Melee stackers do today. He always says it will be worth it to master BH and no one will be better to handle Jedi than a BH. Compare that to what the Commando correpsondent says, BH will extrememly powerful and together with Commando will handle Jedi easily.
They do not need defending since they posted on what was released
At least I know one of the Correspondents who was yelling for nerfs, it's all to clear.
comon guys were starting to flame each others messages we need to band together
instead of falling apart in these times of
conflict and misunderstanding from the devs
Agreed. 5 *'s for u
P__Day wrote:
Its still under development, things change, X might have gotten some upgrades that makes it stronger than y this week, Y might get the same next week, Creating a new combat system and balancing it will be done over alpha and beta to.
Im gonna say the same thing about the commando corro as i say about the BH corro, they are just stupid. IF this was true, what they ahve said, why would they still be correspondents since they so clearly have breached the NDA?
welp congrats uve said what ive been trying to say
Catseye_Yellow wrote:
They do not need defending since they posted on what was released
Really, please point out where Blair said this or even hinted to this:
"BH will be very powerful Post-CU. Know how TKM templates now can pretty much wipe out some jedi? Yeah well, post-CU a BH ranged template will be just about the same... (In a one on one fight)"
Statements such as this makes it all to obvious his agenda when making such statements:
P__Day wrote:
Its still under development, things change, X might have gotten some upgrades that makes it stronger than y this week, Y might get the same next week, Creating a new combat system and balancing it will be done over alpha and beta to.
Im gonna say the same thing about the commando corro as i say about the BH corro, they are just stupid. IF this was true, what they ahve said, why would they still be correspondents since they so clearly have breached the NDA?
completely agree, however spreading disinformation is almost as bad as giving the correct information don't you think?
I believe what the Commando Correspondent is saying (meaningwhat he describes is probably what it looks like on paper)but that doesn't mean that is what is going to be pushed live. Making statements such as he did is exactly why there is an NDA.
WookieOgre wrote:
Catseye_Yellow wrote:
They do not need defending since they posted on what was released
Really, please point out where Blair said this or even hinted to this:
"BH will be very powerful Post-CU. Know how TKM templates now can pretty much wipe out some jedi? Yeah well, post-CU a BH ranged template will be just about the same... (In a one on one fight)"
Statements such as this makes it all to obvious his agenda when making such statements:
"Through logical deduction, yes...LS attacks are now part of the system of Kinetic/Energy base damage and the elemental types. Which, yes through more deduction, Jedi will burn! MAHUAHAHAHAHAHA...err...."
First off I like how he spills the beans yet then doesn't mention if we get our armor back or not........maybe that's why he wasn't supposed to say ANYTHING about it?
I think I also missed this whole statement (I don't see anything wrong with however isn't this still considered breaking the NDA?):
"And yes, I already brought this up...but the game itself is losing blast damage. Don't know what our LP nor Rocket Launchers will be (Im betting Kinetic). But as far as our profession goes, we'll be having EVERY damage type in our utility belt, so we're going to be fairly versitile in damage. Btw, Kinetic and Energy will not be as they are now... (prolly two of the most heavily resisted dmg types in the game atm aside from heat)"
So he can say this yet SonG can't even tell us if LS damage will be around and if not what will it be? Sorry I have to cry foul here just from the fact the same NDA that is holding back SonG seems to be ignored by other people.
Yet again another statement that leaves you to wonder what he is talking about, FR or the BlueGlowie idea from SonG (and yes I noticed him stating we'll be powerful still yet in a post a little later states we'll be as weak as we are right now to MTK stackers....what's his defintiion of powerful?):
"Oh hell, its the end of the world then. Yes, pretty much the CU can be considered a rock-paper-scissors system...oh and yes...and with Jedi...mauahahaha. They'll still be powerful, but we may not be seeing them run rampant like now!"
Isn't this also a little too much info, heck I wish every Correspondent was this open:
"Yeah...I wouldn't get ahead of yourself. In regards to our specials' dot stacking...well, lets just say Post-CU that won't apply. We'll still have our DoT for sure, but atm we don't know how it'll play out in testing. Atm its 20% of the initial damage I believe, this won't be the case in the CU...as even without specials, our flamethrower (and weapons in general) are slated to be very strong. Our profession will be built around and enhanced by these weapons...we're very unique I must say in regards to this."
Again, I could care less if he is talking about his profession. Good for Commandos, I was once a Master and it sucked bad. Why do you think I went for Jedi lol. But he crossed the line every time he mentions Jedi. It seems that he hates jedi more than any profession, or maybe I'm just seeing things /shrug. Either way he should have never mentioned Jedi in his statements specially since SonG can not ever RESPOND to them.
3day ban cuz i grinded it back at the singin
mountain clan glitch was in (it sucked)
Bobo3k wrote:
WookieOgre wrote:
Catseye_Yellow wrote:
They do not need defending since they posted on what was released
Really, please point out where Blair said this or even hinted to this:
"BH will be very powerful Post-CU. Know how TKM templates now can pretty much wipe out some jedi? Yeah well, post-CU a BH ranged template will be just about the same... (In a one on one fight)"
Ok hinting at it Paddy in the switch between former Mastery and a Jedi Mastery will have 1k less health than a MBH/ Second mastery which MBH have since the MBH has no power alone.. 1k health plus the 20% for buffs means that a post cu bh will be about the same as a TKM stacker now.. heck the paddy will have 1k less health.. and you think that a 2k health will not be owned by a 3k health? logical thinking.. right now a tkm can wipe out a non master Jedi with ease... but oh yes you are a believer that each and everyone of the TKM have the ADK psg right? so therefore you are saying that TKM can wipe each and every Knight out there.. guess what they cant..
Catseye_Yellow wrote:
Bobo3k wrote:
WookieOgre wrote:
Catseye_Yellow wrote:They do not need defending since they posted on what was released
Really, please point out where Blair said this or even hinted to this:
"BH will be very powerful Post-CU. Know how TKM templates now can pretty much wipe out some jedi? Yeah well, post-CU a BH ranged template will be just about the same... (In a one on one fight)"
Ok hinting at it Paddy in the switch between former Mastery and a Jedi Mastery will have 1k less health than a MBH/ Second mastery which MBH have since the MBH has no power alone.. 1k health plus the 20% for buffs means that a post cu bh will be about the same as a TKM stacker now.. heck the paddy will have 1k less health.. and you think that a 2k health will not be owned by a 3k health? logical thinking.. right now a tkm can wipe out a non master Jedi with ease... but oh yes you are a believer that each and everyone of the TKM have the ADK psg right? so therefore you are saying that TKM can wipe each and every Knight out there.. guess what they cant..
the Red says that post CU a Ranged BH will be able to wipe out SOME Jedi.. which I hope is true.. Jedi have 3 levels Master Knight Paddy.. Masters should be Unbeatable 1 vs 1 Knight should be about even after all they are not master rank and paddys should be owned..
Knight for all intent purposes is Master. The template is done. master is nothing more then a formality. and TKM bh with a psg own knights easily. so i would say they mean knights cause padawans stan dno chance versus range or melee bh soo id say pretty obvious what they refer too. When a Bounty Hunter takes 6 months to level and 320 million xp then i can see them standing toe to toe with a knight. Honestly 1 on1 a master bh should die everytime. thats the reason they made 5 vs 1 squads possible.
Message Edited by Suba on 03-20-2005 07:56 PM