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Thread: Med droids are the biggest exploit the bh have got going now...
Bunklung wrote:
Marrow1 wrote:
Just a few points.
1. A Stim droid can only use Stim A's and must be loaded by a Doc. You must comand them to heal yourself which is easily macroed. There is a cool down timer between heals (sorry, I dont recall the exact amount).
Cool, because the DE FAQ indicates you need Phar IV which no longer exists post-cu. Command:
/requestStimpack (Droids name) - Including the brackets -
Let us know when/if you get an answer about the dev's "intentions". Thanks for help.
Hmm, now that you mention it I have not tested xx4x medic to see if they can be loaded by them or not. I have a toon that I grind up to that level and see. Have find a stim droid which might be tough as they are not very highly demanded/supplied.
Marrow1 wrote:
Bunklung wrote:
Marrow1 wrote:
Just a few points.
1. A Stim droid can only use Stim A's and must be loaded by a Doc. You must comand them to heal yourself which is easily macroed. There is a cool down timer between heals (sorry, I dont recall the exact amount).
Cool, because the DE FAQ indicates you need Phar IV which no longer exists post-cu. Command:
/requestStimpack (Droids name) - Including the brackets -
Let us know when/if you get an answer about the dev's "intentions". Thanks for help.
Hmm, now that you mention it I have not tested xx4x medic to see if they can be loaded by them or not. I have a toon that I grind up to that level and see. Have find a stim droid which might be tough as they are not very highly demanded/supplied.
Save you some time:
Marrow1 wrote:
Just a few points.
1. A Stim droid can only use Stim A's and must be loaded by a Doc. You must comand them to heal yourself which is easily macroed. There is a cool down timer between heals (sorry, I dont recall the exact amount).
Agree
2. A CM/BH will have three B. Heals to pick from. In order to heal quickly a CM will often heal using two of these three. B. Toss suffers from two things (a) you have to be still to use it (b) the enhancer for it is bugged such that if you have an enemy targeted it will not heal. As a result the two common heals used are B. Shot and B. Spray. There is no way to prevent a B. Spray from healing a droid.
So if you wish to argue that using B. Spray is an exploit then it is one that can not be prevented with normal use of a skill. It would be like trying to use adv ST and not getting a KD.
I also am in the opinion that Bacta Spray and other heals used by Med professions should not be used to heal droids. This breaks DE as a profession and limits their income. (give my DE alt some business, lol)
I have placed the question to the Devs as to the intention of Bacta healing with respect to droids but have yet to get a reply.
3. Droid repair kits are more effective at healing droids than are most Bacta heals. They cost no mind and very little action(~5% if I recall). B. spray on the other hand cost 15% action and 10% mind if I recall correctly. As a result the wise BH will use a repair kit. There is a cool down timer on reuse but it is rather short.
I have crappy 53 self-repair cranked out of mine along with armor. WAAYYY better and costs me nothing action/mind wise. Enemies choice: A) waste the 2 to4 combat rounds destroying my droid and take the damage from my speed and damage capped , 66 sac pistol along with my CM specialsto boot b) Deal with me and have my droid cracking for around 100 to 200 dam per sec. I actuctually have the repair and reconstruction stims so to face me would really suck.
If you dont have some AOE attack life sucks. Lol
Also, droids can be made with self healing repair mods. These work much like infusion and are a heal over time. A wise BH or Jedi will look to get these added to their droid. This healing does suck down battery power, however.
I mention these other ways to heal droids so that Jedi who think that by "fixing" the precieved exploid of healing using Bacta will realize that the use of doids by BH will not go away.
QFE
4. As long as the droid has battery power it will still give the bonus. I seem to recall at some point in the precu that a incapped droid would stop giving a buff bonus but could be wrong. The current system of a droid giving the bonus even while incapped has been around a rather long time. I have no idea if it is intentional. It seems reasonable to me that the incap just prevents movement but as long as the droid is powered it gives the bonus. Though this may not be a popular notion.
Bingo. The part in red say it all. A droid is mechanical parts, not a live being so getting incapped does not/should not necessarily negate the benifits of the componets within the droid. It is a componet within the droid that allows for the boost to healing. Since Battery power within a droid isnt drained upon incapp, the jist of the incapp is that you have to stay in range of your droid to get the benifits. For full blown healers, like myself or ANYONE with the /drag command this isnt a problem. Not an exploit just using the skills given.
"... For us low DPS jedi this may help a bunch... Lets explore droid options and take advantage of it."
Not for nothing BUT when it comes down to a Jedi using a droid for healing and/or additional damage the basic game mechanics are BROKEN. Seriously a droid to help a master healer heal or a MPowers / MLS to deal damage? That in and of itself speaks VOLUMES.
Dahrak73 wrote:
Bunklung wrote:
"... For us low DPS jedi this may help a bunch... Lets explore droid options and take advantage of it."
Not for nothing BUT when it comes down to a Jedi using a droid for healing and/or additional damage the basic game mechanics are BROKEN. Seriously a droid to help a master healer heal or a MPowers / MLS to deal damage? That in and of itself speaks VOLUMES.
That makes no sense. Thats like complaing about Toons with pets or bomb droids or that use any aspect of the game other than inate skills to play. In a group a dedicated healer that has ground from day one and has full healing suit and droid is no different than a Combat toon with a fully Modded combat suit, uber weapon, uber food and speed buffs.
The game mechanics arent broken. You have those players that have dedicated themselves to healing and those that havent. I dont believe that a Novice Medic with healing effe clothing and a droid should heal anywhere close to me (Master Doc, Master CM, Master Medic) but they do. THAT is game breaking. Period.
Yes, you can call a droid or bike for that matter while stasis'ed once the combat timer has run out. A great time to regroup with your droid.
Bunklung wrote:
Dahrak73 wrote:
Bunklung wrote:
"... For us low DPS jedi this may help a bunch... Lets explore droid options and take advantage of it."
Not for nothing BUT when it comes down to a Jedi using a droid for healing and/or additional damage the basic game mechanics are BROKEN. Seriously a droid to help a master healer heal or a MPowers / MLS to deal damage? That in and of itself speaks VOLUMES.
Understood, but I'll take anything they give me even if it means lugging around droid.
BTW, anyone tried to call a droid when the BH is stasis'd?
Dahrak73 wrote:
You obviously missed the point. The fact that a full template Jedi has the need to use a droid in any manner whether for healing or damage is ludicrous. I can understand a CM, BH, etc.. using them to this effect seeing that their templates can be ground out in a few days. To say that a Jedi toon which according to the mighty dev team are "1.5x" a normal toon, droid use is ridiculous. The Jedi SHOULD rely on his innate abilities to get him/her through a situation because those skills should be on par with the toon itself, which currently it isn't.
Yes I did. Thanks for the clarifaction. But Luke did sure use the heck out of droids, as did Vader, as did Darth Maul as did the Emperor. Who knows. Since everyone has access to droids this isnt really game breaking IMO.
But now I see what you ment about Jedi.
P.S. Should a Jedi heal better than a MDoc/MMedic/MCM. IMO no, unless he is a devoted healer like the mentioned temp.
Message Edited by Skurr on 10-25-2005 10:43 AM
As far as a Healer 4xxx healing better than an MDoc, no they shouldn't. But a Master Healer should heal better than an MDoc. Just like MLS or MPowers be able to deal more than the insignificant dmg they deal now, comparitevly speaking, to a BH/RM/CM w/ SL buffs.
should a med droid benefit jedi heals? i can heal for around 1800 with 3-0-0-0 doc on my alt every 3 seconds or so, my jedi with 4-0-0-0 healer can heal 1500 every 6 seconds.
Skurr wrote:
Dahrak73 wrote:
You obviously missed the point. The fact that a full template Jedi has the need to use a droid in any manner whether for healing or damage is ludicrous. I can understand a CM, BH, etc.. using them to this effect seeing that their templates can be ground out in a few days. To say that a Jedi toon which according to the mighty dev team are "1.5x" a normal toon, droid use is ridiculous. The Jedi SHOULD rely on his innate abilities to get him/her through a situation because those skills should be on par with the toon itself, which currently it isn't.
Yes I did. Thanks for the clarifaction. But Luke did sure use the heck out of droids, as did Vader, as did Darth Maul as did the Emperor. Who knows. Since everyone has access to droids this isnt really game breaking IMO.
But now I see what you ment about Jedi.
P.S. Should a Jedi heal better than a MDoc/MMedic/MCM. IMO no, unless he is a devoted healer like the mentioned temp.
Message Edited by Skurr on 10-25-2005 10:43 AM
Pday wrote:
should a med droid benefit jedi heals? i can heal for around 1800 with 3-0-0-0 doc on my alt every 3 seconds or so, my jedi with 4-0-0-0 healer can heal 1500 every 6 seconds.
Skurr wrote:
Dahrak73 wrote:
You obviously missed the point. The fact that a full template Jedi has the need to use a droid in any manner whether for healing or damage is ludicrous. I can understand a CM, BH, etc.. using them to this effect seeing that their templates can be ground out in a few days. To say that a Jedi toon which according to the mighty dev team are "1.5x" a normal toon, droid use is ridiculous. The Jedi SHOULD rely on his innate abilities to get him/her through a situation because those skills should be on par with the toon itself, which currently it isn't.
Yes I did. Thanks for the clarifaction. But Luke did sure use the heck out of droids, as did Vader, as did Darth Maul as did the Emperor. Who knows. Since everyone has access to droids this isnt really game breaking IMO.
But now I see what you ment about Jedi.
P.S. Should a Jedi heal better than a MDoc/MMedic/MCM. IMO no, unless he is a devoted healer like the mentioned temp.
Message Edited by Skurr on 10-25-2005 10:43 AM
To me that is BS (not you, but the game mechanics). The fact that a dabbler can heal almost as well and as fast as me burns me up. Pre-cu a dabber couldnt hold a candle to a master healer in speed or effectivness and was limited to stim B's to heal. Now anyone and there brother can do as well or better than a noob healer.
Anyway going off topic.....