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iron19d wrote:

So a jedi can use a bomb droid without exploiting if he has nov smuggler or novice bh in his temp

so he can use a medic droid to heal himself if he still has novice medic or novice cm still is template correct?

If you stasis, root the droid and run off the bh, once out of range of the droid won't get the bonus, i know from experience. If you stasis it and stay near it your right the bh still will get the bonus

And i do agree with you that it is rather silly that you can heal the droid once he gets incapped, but further up in the posts people brought out valid reasons for being able to.

and thanks, i am trying to get this thread into and informitave discussion and away from /point finger exploiter exploiter thread

ghostmaker

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Ok I am going to test this out... I have not tested with a jedi for about a month... so perhaps things have changed

I need a corbantis jedi who can log when the server goes up for about 10 or so minutes of testing.

You donot need a droid to do this. I will give to the jedi a DZ-70 with a 110 combat rating 110 medical rating and lvl 6 armor for helping me test.

If intersted let me know ( jedi needs healing in templete )

Itocat

Message Edited by Anarchicgorilla on 10-25-2005 10:57 AM

Also if droid allows anyplayer the healing bonus even when at 0 health this is not an exploit

I have a imp psg with 0 condition. It still gives me the accuracy bonus

I have armor and clothes with 0 condition. They still give me the skill mods in them

The problem is if it was working as it was intended at some point, I could Stasis the BH, kill off the droid and make the BH waste a combat round on healing his droid if he wants access to his higher-powered heals again.
As it stands right now, the BH a) still gets the bonus and b) can heal himself and his droid with bacta spray as soon as I start attacking the BH. That is an advantage for the BH, BHs are using it fully knowing that Bacta is not intended to heal droids, so the bottom line is any BH doing it is exploiting.
Sure I can try to make the BH follow me away from the droid, but why should I need to? I shouldnt be forced into a different style of play because somebody thinks exploiting is cool.

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Message Edited by Anarchicgorilla on 10-25-2005 11:07 AM

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Anarchicgorilla wrote:

Ok I am going to test this out... I have not tested with a jedi for about a month... so perhaps things have changed

I need a corbantis jedi who can log when the server goes up for about 10 or so minutes of testing.

You donot need a droid to do this. I will give to the jedi a DZ-70 with a 110 combat rating 110 medical rating and lvl 6 armor for helping me test.

If intersted let me know ( jedi needs healing in templete )

sage Edited by Anarchicgorilla on 10-25-2005 10:57 AM

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SlaserX wrote:

I think people hitting for 2k+ is a bigger issue than people healing for 2k+

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KRAKEN666 wrote:

Med droids heal even when they are dead...plus 110% bonuse on heals. some bh/mcm are healing over 2k per tick. thats outrageous....destroy the med droid u say..well all they have to do is bacta spray it and its 100% again. endlessly. Med droids in battle need to be changed to be either not used at all, its a med droid, its for healing. combat medics are used for healing in battle. or, only one during the battle and not be able to repair it at all if its destroyed. The only place a med droid should be repairable is put a terminal inside a med center and repair options there only...just like we have garages for vehichles to be repaired. and who can use these med droids...everyone but jedi.If you havent ran into a bh/mcm using this exploit you will. its become the new i win button for bh because you waste 4 shots to damage 2k and the bh get that back with absolutly no effort at all...plus some bh are using med droids that actually shoot at you. yeah, a healing tool to fight with. SOE, how in the he11 did u not figure this one out at the test center. everytime major things like this slip by you it makes you look incredibly idiotic. Oh, I forgot, most of the devs play bh on the servers....now, it makes sense.

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No Offense, but haven't you thought of getting your own med droid?

And I'll add this as well, its people like you who whine and complain because of people using normal game items as they are intended and calling it an exploit. Get over it, just because you don't have an "uber automatic I Win button" doesn't mean the other person is using an "exploit".

And another thing if the droid is still healing after its been "incapped" then its a BUG, not an exploit.

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The problem here is that Jedi don't have a bacta spray like attack, so they won't have the additional attack from the droid, though I guess that they'd still have the bugged additional healing.

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Anarchicgorilla wrote:

The problem is if it was working as it was intended at some point, I could Stasis the BH, kill off the droid and make the BH waste a combat round on healing his droid if he wants access to his higher-powered heals again.
As it stands right now, the BH a) still gets the bonus and b) can heal himself and his droid with bacta spray as soon as I start attacking the BH. That is an advantage for the BH, BHs are using it fully knowing that Bacta is not intended to heal droids, so the bottom line is any BH doing it is exploiting.
Sure I can try to make the BH follow me away from the droid, but why should I need to? I shouldnt be forced into a different style of play because somebody thinks exploiting is cool.

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Using bacta spray to heal a droid and yourself is not a sploit. Bacta is an area heal.

Droids are classified as pets Pets can be healed by bacta again read the publish notes.

It is simple logic really. Droid is a pet. Pets can be healed by bacta. Droids can be healed by bacta.

Message Edited by Anarchicgorilla on 10-25-2005 11:07 AM

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Just a few points.

1. A Stim droid can only use Stim A's and must be loaded by a Doc. You must comand them to heal yourself which is easily macroed. There is a cool down timer between heals (sorry, I dont recall the exact amount).

2. A CM/BH will have three B. Heals to pick from. In order to heal quickly a CM will often heal using two of these three. B. Toss suffers from two things (a) you have to be still to use it (b) the enhancer for it is bugged such that if you have an enemy targeted it will not heal. As a result the two common heals used are B. Shot and B. Spray. There is no way to prevent a B. Spray from healing a droid.

So if you wish to argue that using B. Spray is an exploit then it is one that can not be prevented with normal use of a skill. It would be like trying to use adv ST and not getting a KD.

I have placed the question to the Devs as to the intention of Bacta healing with respect to droids but have yet to get a reply.

3. Droid repair kits are more effective at healing droids than are most Bacta heals. They cost no mind and very little action(~5% if I recall). B. spray on the other hand cost 15% action and 10% mind if I recall correctly. As a result the wise BH will use a repair kit. There is a cool down timer on reuse but it is rather short.

Also, droids can be made with self healing repair mods. These work much like infusion and are a heal over time. A wise BH or Jedi will look to get these added to their droid. This healing does suck down battery power, however.

I mention these other ways to heal droids so that Jedi who think that by "fixing" the precieved exploid of healing using Bacta will realize that the use of doids by BH will not go away.

4. As long as the droid has battery power it will still give the bonus. I seem to recall at some point in the precu that a incapped droid would stop giving a buff bonus but could be wrong. The current system of a droid giving the bonus even while incapped has been around a rather long time. I have no idea if it is intentional. It seems reasonable to me that the incap just prevents movement but as long as the droid is powered it gives the bonus. Though this may not be a popular notion.

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Marrow1 wrote:

Just a few points.

1. A Stim droid can only use Stim A's and must be loaded by a Doc. You must comand them to heal yourself which is easily macroed. There is a cool down timer between heals (sorry, I dont recall the exact amount).

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Cool, because the DE FAQ indicates you need Phar IV which no longer exists post-cu. Command:

/requestStimpack (Droids name) - Including the brackets -

Let us know when/if you get an answer about the dev's "intentions". Thanks for help.

the reason we are in this shape is becuase the droids and creature codes were pretty much copy and pasted from one section of the program to the other...as usual soe fashion, no programmer, developer, or quality control caught that it was going to give droids the same status as pets....and this was not intended. droids are mechanical devices, pets are living beings and the cures for one should never be confused with the others....before this copy and paste (which is the whole cu problem to start with because now they can copy and paste from eq2 to swg), the bacta would never heal a droid. if anyone gets a chance,,,does droid repair items work on pets???? You are seeing alot of the problems with consolidating code and making it universal...quality goes down because of no thought of how it affects a current system and creates major bugs like this one people can exploit.

marrow, thanks for getting some hard data on this...as jedi we dont want to see mcm's nerfed anymore, but, you have to realize that jedi are paying a high price at the hands of bh over this bug...please post more data as you get it in.

Message Edited by KRAKEN666 on 10-25-2005 09:56 AM

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Marrow1 wrote:

Just a few points.

1. A Stim droid can only use Stim A's and must be loaded by a Doc. You must comand them to heal yourself which is easily macroed. There is a cool down timer between heals (sorry, I dont recall the exact amount).

2. A CM/BH will have three B. Heals to pick from. In order to heal quickly a CM will often heal using two of these three. B. Toss suffers from two things (a) you have to be still to use it (b) the enhancer for it is bugged such that if you have an enemy targeted it will not heal. As a result the two common heals used are B. Shot and B. Spray. There is no way to prevent a B. Spray from healing a droid.

So if you wish to argue that using B. Spray is an exploit then it is one that can not be prevented with normal use of a skill. It would be like trying to use adv ST and not getting a KD.

I have placed the question to the Devs as to the intention of Bacta healing with respect to droids but have yet to get a reply.

3. Droid repair kits are more effective at healing droids than are most Bacta heals. They cost no mind and very little action(~5% if I recall). B. spray on the other hand cost 15% action and 10% mind if I recall correctly. As a result the wise BH will use a repair kit. There is a cool down timer on reuse but it is rather short.

Also, droids can be made with self healing repair mods. These work much like infusion and are a heal over time. A wise BH or Jedi will look to get these added to their droid. This healing does suck down battery power, however.

I mention these other ways to heal droids so that Jedi who think that by "fixing" the precieved exploid of healing using Bacta will realize that the use of doids by BH will not go away.

4. As long as the droid has battery power it will still give the bonus. I seem to recall at some point in the precu that a incapped droid would stop giving a buff bonus but could be wrong. The current system of a droid giving the bonus even while incapped has been around a rather long time. I have no idea if it is intentional. It seems reasonable to me that the incap just prevents movement but as long as the droid is powered it gives the bonus. Though this may not be a popular notion.

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