Jedi Archive
Thread: Jedi grind pre-CU and post-CU...............the thoughts of an old Jedi
THEsmuggla wrote:
Armourboy wrote:
Village is more limiting, yes I agree it has its limiting aspects, however I know probably 100 jedi on my server that would have never unlocked had it not been for the Publish 9 change. They simply refused to do the work required. ( Yes I know its a game and work is relative).
SO TRUE!
But it did change, and they did unlock. So what does your post (being the 500th of it's kind, smuggla) do about this situation? Nothing. Just creates bad feelings between people playing a game. So do you feel big and clever and important for doing this? Or do you feel vindicated by your selfish little rant?
There would still be a lot more jedi around now than there was pre-pub 9.. it's called time. It's the same reason you now see a lot more jetpacks about. More have been made, people don't destroy them when they leave. The ONLY way that the jedi population would have been kept so rare and exclusive as you want is through perma-death. And I believe it was the pre9'ers who whined and got that removed?
DureenaBadKarma wrote:
THEsmuggla wrote:
Armourboy wrote:
Village is more limiting, yes I agree it has its limiting aspects, however I know probably 100 jedi on my server that would have never unlocked had it not been for the Publish 9 change. They simply refused to do the work required. ( Yes I know its a game and work is relative).
SO TRUE!
But it did change, and they did unlock. So what does your post (being the 500th of it's kind, smuggla) do about this situation? Nothing. Just creates bad feelings between people playing a game. So do you feel big and clever and important for doing this? Or do you feel vindicated by your selfish little rant?
There would still be a lot more jedi around now than there was pre-pub 9.. it's called time. It's the same reason you now see a lot more jetpacks about. More have been made, people don't destroy them when they leave. The ONLY way that the jedi population would have been kept so rare and exclusive as you want is through perma-death. And I believe it was the pre9'ers who whined and got that removed?
Actually perma-death was removed because most jedi then were dying from game bugs and crashing issues that were beyond the players control.
Everyone needs to vent at some point. Maybe his is a bit late but he still has that right
Bah! Trust a Ranger to be the voice of reason...
Armourboy wrote:
Actually perma-death was removed because most jedi then were dying from game bugs and crashing issues that were beyond the players control.
Everyone needs to vent at some point. Maybe his is a bit late but he still has that right
DureenaBadKarma wrote:
Bah! Trust a Ranger to be the voice of reason...
Armourboy wrote:
Actually perma-death was removed because most jedi then were dying from game bugs and crashing issues that were beyond the players control.
Everyone needs to vent at some point. Maybe his is a bit late but he still has that right
Armourboy wrote:
DureenaBadKarma wrote:
Bah! Trust a Ranger to be the voice of reason...
Armourboy wrote:
Actually perma-death was removed because most jedi then were dying from game bugs and crashing issues that were beyond the players control.
Everyone needs to vent at some point. Maybe his is a bit late but he still has that right
Must be a Tailor lol
*grin*
Ex-Ranger, Tailor... the worst kind of person! MWAH HA HA HAAAA! 
DureenaBadKarma wrote:
Armourboy wrote:
DureenaBadKarma wrote:
Bah! Trust a Ranger to be the voice of reason...
Armourboy wrote:
Actually perma-death was removed because most jedi then were dying from game bugs and crashing issues that were beyond the players control.
Everyone needs to vent at some point. Maybe his is a bit late but he still has that right
Must be a Tailor lol
*grin*
Ex-Ranger, Tailor... the worst kind of person! MWAH HA HA HAAAA!
You say you hate the idea... but we know you're all just dying to try them on and prance round the woods. You'd be fools not to
Armourboy wrote:
DureenaBadKarma wrote:
Armourboy wrote:
DureenaBadKarma wrote:
Bah! Trust a Ranger to be the voice of reason...
Armourboy wrote:
Actually perma-death was removed because most jedi then were dying from game bugs and crashing issues that were beyond the players control.
Everyone needs to vent at some point. Maybe his is a bit late but he still has that right
Must be a Tailor lol
*grin*
Ex-Ranger, Tailor... the worst kind of person! MWAH HA HA HAAAA!
Your probably the one calling for the Camo Hawtpants
THEsmuggla wrote:
I have 2 jedi. Yeah 2.
One i have unlocked prepub 9.....was hard to grind and hard to unlock...but really rewarding in the end!
I understand an appreciate the effort you put into your pre pub nine jedi, however just because it is more rewarding for you does that mean its less rewarding for me? No it doesn't, I am proud of my jedi and just because it didn't take me a year to finish (and I am still not done yet) doesn't make it less rewarding. I unlocked 3 weeks after CU and I am still not done yet because rather than grind non stop I am enjoying the game and learning to use the abilities I have.
The second i have unlocked 30 days ago and now i already have a FULL TEMP JEDI....so what remains of the jedi profession?
Its power? No not really...jedi are not that powerful believe me
Its coolness? Well, if you need to have a jedi in SWG to feel cool........you have some problems
Its exclusivity? No more......as you can see i grinded a full temp jedi in 30 days...chatting with 8/10 other jedi...smashing lairs without thinking.
So basically what you are saying in the statement above is that you didn't become jedi because you were a fan of them in the movies you did it because you wanted an "I win" button and now the devs have taken it away from you.
Where is the old good SOLO grind on Endor ?
Seriously what could have possibly been good about grinding solo on endor?
Where is thatunique feelinginspired by the fact that you were fighting in an hostile planet on your own?
What is so great about this feeling?
Where is that sense of risk that made the grind exciting?
Based on how much I here a lot of pre pub 9 jedi's complaining (not all I am not generalizing) it doesn't sound to me like this grind was exciting but on the contrary boring.
Where is the adrenaline given by a dot appearing on your radar?
I get that rush when I grind I don't want to lose xp anymore then you did back in your grind. Just because you lost more and it was harder to get back does not mean that we don't mind losing xp.
No more emotions in being jedi, no more passion.............no more moral reward.
Because back in the days creating a jedi and grinding it out till full was the proof of your victory against the game itself, now its a mere extra pg that requires no effort.
If this is the way that you feel about the game, then maybe you aren't enjoying it anymore....
Unlocking my second jedi gave me some emotion......then i realized how easy was to grind and how common was the process.......no more hiding, no more risk...no more EMOTIONS.
Did you ever think that maybe you had no emotion or feeling of excitement because it was your SECOND JEDI. Of course the second will not feel as special.
I hope SOE will nerf these spin groups so all of you new padawans can experience what being a Jedi really means.
This last statement is what really made me decide to post. I had the opportunity to unlock pre pub nine I was working on the holo grind like everyone else, then one day I decided that rather then spending the next 9 months finishing a jedi template why not enjoy the game and make that something to do when I start to lose interest. Jedi was supposed to be endgame for people but for a lot of pre pub 9 jedi (again not all) wanted to rush forward to get jedi so that they could press their I win button and dominate the server in pvp. Well you had your run and thats what you guys did. Now that time is over, like it or not the post cu jedi aren't going anywhere.
-Comparative appendix
Post CU
Full-template grinding time: 28 days in spin groups
Max EXP gained in one playing day (8hrs): 3.2 Millions (!!)
BH encountered: 0
Pre CU
Full-template grinding time: 3 months and a half
Max EXP gained in one playing day (8hrs): 950k
BH encountered: 7
I dont think this game will be the new KOTOR in the future.
I am not angry for that.
I am angry with the new system because it does not give the right "emotional" reward for being a jedi...
Message Edited by THEsmuggla on 10-16-2005 01:23 PM
This type of post makes me furious just because you had a harder grind does not give you the right to try to change things for the rest of us. Rather then spending your time trying to make the proffession better with a well thought out post you decided that you have been treated unfairly because our grind is easier then yours. Last time I checked SOE DID NOT FORCE ANYONE TO BECOME JEDI AND GRIND FOR MONTHS!!!! That was your choice not mine.
One last thing, If I worked all my life and made millions of dollars would I look back at my life and think man I am so glad I worked my ass off for that money rather than winning the lottery....I wouldn't and I doubt you would either.
Message Edited by Brakor on 10-17-2005 10:11 AM
Umm no thats ok. My Ranger is rough and tumble one. My jedi wouldn't wear camo Hawtpants unless there made in blue and orange to match his skin
You say you hate the idea... but we know you're all just dying to try them on and prance round the woods. You'd be fools not to
Your probably the one calling for the Camo Hawtpants
MsNiL wrote:Only unlocking takes 4,5 months
weeee wrote:
1.5 to 2 weeks is what it takes to grind to fulltemplate
Yeah but I meant from that you finish your trials!
but if we are going to put in how long it takes to unlock 5 months from 0 to fulltemplate
Message Edited by weeee on 10-17-2005 05:20 PM
OOO boy grandads calling for a nerf, I hate these jedi nerf herders, a few editied words to the old and wise "CRY MORE DUDE"
THEsmuggla wrote:
I have 2 jedi. Yeah 2.
One i have unlocked prepub 9.....was hard to grind and hard to unlock...but really rewarding in the end!
The second i have unlocked 30 days ago and now i already have a FULL TEMP JEDI....so what remains of the jedi profession?
Its power? No not really...jedi are not that powerful believe me
Its coolness? Well, if you need to have a jedi in SWG to feel cool........you have some problems
Its exclusivity? No more......as you can see i grinded a full temp jedi in 30 days...chatting with 8/10 other jedi...smashing lairs without thinking.
Where is the old good SOLO grind on Endor ?
Where is thatunique feelinginspired by the fact that you were fighting in an hostile planet on your own?
Where is that sense of risk that made the grind exciting?
Where is the adrenaline given by a dot appearing on your radar?
No more emotions in being jedi, no more passion.............no more moral reward.
Because back in the days creating a jedi and grinding it out till full was the proof of your victory against the game itself, now its a mere extra pg that requires no effort.
Unlocking my second jedi gave me some emotion......then i realized how easy was to grind and how common was the process.......no more hiding, no more risk...no more EMOTIONS.
I hope SOE will nerf these spin groups so all of you new padawans can experience what being a Jedi really means.
-Comparative appendix
Post CU
Full-template grinding time: 28 days in spin groups
Max EXP gained in one playing day (8hrs): 3.2 Millions (!!)
BH encountered: 0
Pre CU
Full-template grinding time: 3 months and a half
Max EXP gained in one playing day (8hrs): 950k
BH encountered: 7
I dont think this game will be the new KOTOR in the future.
I am not angry for that.
I am angry with the new system because it does not give the right "emotional" reward for being a jedi...
Message Edited by THEsmuggla on 10-16-2005 01:23 PM
Your average post-cu Jedi complete their template in about 2 months.
weeee wrote:
Yeah but I meant from that you finish your trials!
MsNiL wrote:
Only unlocking takes 4,5 months
weeee wrote:
1.5 to 2 weeks is what it takes to grind to fulltemplate
but if we are going to put in how long it takes to unlock 5 months from 0 to fulltemplate
well. its apparent that the newer jedi could care less about how long it took the older jedi. and it is sad. but, on the other hand, if the frs is pvp based again, these older jedi who the new dont care about will decimate them. Not all old jedi are masters and are legit knights (not fightclubbers) who are adept at pvp vs jedi. as we all know vs a bh is a whole different story.
On the other hand, old jedi bash new jedi because of how easy it is. and truth is, it IS easy. I got my jedi with relative ease post cu. And well, many new jedi arent standing for all the talk from old jedi. The frs will be an old vs new. I, however dont plan on falling too soo, because the old do have alot of knowledge of pvp and ive been steadily learning from them regardles of all this new jedi vs old jedi hate. Hell, i remember trying to post an encouragent to new jedi and someone trying to flame it.
Ah well
The thing to slow jedi development is to take out the saber spin and either use it at the completion of the 4 box or leave it at dervish. This will tremendously slow jedi progress, especially at dervish.
Now, what side am i on? Not sure, but im constantly learning from old jedi daily...