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Thread: Focus Thread: Visibility Rules
Announcerharris wrote:Congratulations, not a single one of you can read the FAQ's but together by SonG?
Visibility:
You gain visibility by equipping a lightsaber, initiating combat with a lightsaber, and using any Jedi-related skills that consume Force power within range of other players or NPC's. You will gain a little at a time for using it in front of a few people. Do it in front of a lot of people (like in a starport) and you will almost immediately appear on the BH Terminals.
The range for visibility is 32 meters. Performing any of the above acts in front of PC/NPC’s within that range will increase your visibility.
It is unknown if you gain visibility for just having a lightsaber or robe equipped.
It is also unknown if you gain visibility only upon using a force power or if having a latent Force power active in front of others (such as Force Run or Force Armor) will gain you visibility as well.
It is rumoured that only NPC's that you can loot credits off of will count towards gaining visibility (but they all seem to drop credits now after publish 10.2).
The increase to a Jedi's Visibility Value (JVV) is determined as follows:
Being grouped with a PC or non-animal NPC who is viewing this action has no influence on how Jedi Visibility is obtained. In other words, group members will still increase your visibility regardless.
Note that for Civilian Jedi everyone else is considered Civilian when calculating the increase to visibility. No one is considered to be of an allied or opposing faction and will always increase the JVV by 50 percent of the action’s Jedi Visibility Modifier.
Visibility decays over time, taking three weeks to decay fully.
Taken from: http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=jedi&message.id=473607
Seriously Bac, don't you even know whats in the FAQ? /sigh
You might have noticed that the FAQ you cited is outdated. Group members do not give visibility anymore. All the other points you mentioned were stated by me in my post in this thread, which you probably havent read.
Even when grouped if u use jedi skills around npc or other playersoutside of groupu get visibility.
I wish swg would make an announcement that when you reach a point when u get on terms u would get an alert that u are now on the terms and that need to be cautious....
Would also be nice if we got an alert that a mission had been taken on us without giving the name of the BH but know that would never happen because the Jedi would simply log half the time rather then risk the loss of xp.
Also consider that with the vehicle bug (where vehicles drain a 'cloaked' jedi's force just as if the vehicle was an NPC or another player) that vehicles may be giving visibility as well, so to be safe, don't use jedi abilities near another players vehicle (and maybe even your own).
This might also include another player's vehicles in your group, as their vehicles still drain a cloaked jedi's force, even if the player that owns the vehcile and the person themselves are no longer draing force from the 'cloaked' jedi.
Until the devs give a real response and also consider the bugs like the force drain with a vehicle, we won't know for sure if we are getting visibilty or not.
So if you want no visibility, it is better to be safe. ie. don't do anyt jedi abilities or even wear sabers or robes near a vendor, NPC, another player, or a vehicle. (Only use abilities near creatures, and grouped players.)
Also be careful when in a group, because there are lots of people that don't pay attention, are new, etc. - And if they run up to join your group while you are using your lightsaber, or they drop group while you are still fighting and using your lightsaber, they will give you visibilty.
Infje wrote:
Bendar wrote:
Algren_Earth-Stormer wrote:
When first becoming a jedi I have been told there is a grace period of 1 week before you will show up on terminals even if you have accrued vis. I have also been told that you will not show up on terms until after the first time you have 40 or more skill points in a jedi proffesion/s..... but going back below this does not reverse it.
Urban legend
Are you surethe 1 week grace period isan urban legend? I've heard the same story and it would be good to confirm whether or not I can start flashing my newly acquired saber in the vincinity of NPC's (like I did - oops).
Message Edited by Infje on 09-11-2005 02:35 AM
Eskie wrote:
Announcerharris wrote:
Congratulations, not a single one of you can read the FAQ's but together by SonG?
Visibility:
You gain visibility by equipping a lightsaber, initiating combat with a lightsaber, and using any Jedi-related skills that consume Force power within range of other players or NPC's. You will gain a little at a time for using it in front of a few people. Do it in front of a lot of people (like in a starport) and you will almost immediately appear on the BH Terminals.
The range for visibility is 32 meters. Performing any of the above acts in front of PC/NPC’s within that range will increase your visibility.
It is unknown if you gain visibility for just having a lightsaber or robe equipped.
It is also unknown if you gain visibility only upon using a force power or if having a latent Force power active in front of others (such as Force Run or Force Armor) will gain you visibility as well.
It is rumoured that only NPC's that you can loot credits off of will count towards gaining visibility (but they all seem to drop credits now after publish 10.2).
The increase to a Jedi's Visibility Value (JVV) is determined as follows:
An opposing faction member who views this action will add the full value of the action to the Jedi Visibility Value.
A Civilian PC or non-animal NPC will increase the JVV by 50 percent of the action's Jedi Visibility Modifier.
A same-faction PC or non-animal NPC will increase the JVV by 25 percent of the action's Jedi Visibility Modifier.
Being grouped with a PC or non-animal NPC who is viewing this action has no influence on how Jedi Visibility is obtained. In other words, group members will still increase your visibility regardless.
Note that for Civilian Jedi everyone else is considered Civilian when calculating the increase to visibility. No one is considered to be of an allied or opposing faction and will always increase the JVV by 50 percent of the action’s Jedi Visibility Modifier.
Visibility decays over time, taking three weeks to decay fully.
Taken from: http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=jedi&message.id=473607
Seriously Bac, don't you even know whats in the FAQ? /sigh
You might have noticed that the FAQ you cited is outdated. Group members do not give visibility anymore. All the other points you mentioned were stated by me in my post in this thread, which you probably havent read.
My point is not that you guys did an inadequate job of summing up what causes vis (all the info you posted is great), my point is that this information was already available yet somehow, there was a need for a separate stickied post.
Yeah, I'm grumpy.
Zubbie24 wrote:
Bendar wrote:
Hmm I think (un)equipping the robe does give visibility though.
I agree with you, since your force is adjusted +250, as and far as i know, everything that makes your forcebar move gives vis within 32m of a player or NPC.
Anything that uses force and within a 32 mtrs area, plus equiping sabers and un-equiping them! Wearing rodes and equiping them does not use force, though taking them off could I guess lol!
for awhile there, people thought they got visibility from thier own vehicles and pets...LOL. Someone said vendors too.
I think you get max visibilty if you blow snot rockets in theed.
I have a question to do with vis decay.
I'm assuming that vis builds up on a scale system, lets say 1 - 100%. Getting in terms might be achieved at say 50%
We know that getting rid of vis takes 3 weeks. A few questions, probably only answerable by the devs, but worth asking I think
Once you are on terms, do you have to wait the full 3 weeks to get off? I.e. you get to 0% vis before being removed?
Or does it work that you got say 55%, and the excess 5% will decay over say 3 days ?
Does the old viewpoint that a BHdeath + 3 days was enough to get 0 vis stand true today ?
Does a triple incap from a BH = a deathblow from a BH? (Seen 2 BH in past 3 days triple incap when they could have DB easily)
Does online time increase the vis decay vs. offline time ?
Oh I got vis yesterday, and I have been keeping track of all the movements that possibly have caused my vis.
1 - While killing a lair, an Alkara bandit moved into range. (Lesson, next time kill him first before starting mission)
2 - Visidiots - total of 9 VI have passed through while I have been fighting. At least 6 were intentional route changes to pass thru my lair.
3 - Equipped robes and saber in front of my alt's vendors (4 vendors, all human - Lesson - THINK!)
4 - (only possible) - loaded into Mos Entha yesterday in robes and with saber equipped.
Got BH visit last night.
Thanks
>> When in doubt... just ask yourself "Does that activity require force?" and there is your answer on if it gives you viz.
What about crystal tuning? It uses Force and the holocron states tuning a crystal doesnt give visibility.
Quite confusing.
Aglardae