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Thread: Hybrid template stealth nerf : Now With Macros!

DureenaBadKarma
Thu Oct 20, 2005 10:28 am
#66






lariel wrote:
i imagine they next few patches we will see this changed. SL prolly won't change for a while because they won't wanna admit they messed up on something they're making such a big deal about,but this will probably change






I really hope so.


I just went in game and wrote 8 macros. They all work, so I am no less "dangerous" (LMFAO tbh!) as I was before, so the balance considerations are for nothing (altho this is a laughable reasonfor this changeanyway frankly). But from my RP perspective my very cool look of an NSEL or VL in one hand while lightning burst forth from the other is now ruined. Now it magically vanishes to re-appear equipped a second later.


Just a pointless, pointless change devs, removing yet more visual diversity and fun from a technically broken game.




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Drazharr
Thu Oct 20, 2005 11:37 am
#67






ahood wrote:


Its hard not to call the Devs some rather rude names now - but their lack of brains is rather shocking.


A Master Powers/Master Enhancer is pretty weak already and is hardly the FOTM. This change just ruins and already weak build and forces everyone to adopt more FOTM templates.


Not sure what I'll do here, but the cretins running this game sure make it hard to enjoy anymore.






Yep, there is no logical reason for this nerf. Couple this with the Force Run debuffs and new snares and it alldrives more people to Defender temps - it's the only way a Jedi has a chance at survival.




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acmtalk
Thu Oct 20, 2005 11:45 am
#68






DureenaBadKarma wrote:





Baciacca wrote:

It looks like Jedi can use most of their passive powers including Cloak, Heals, Force Speed, and Channel Force. The powers that are now restricted are those from Weilder and Enhancer trees such as Lightning, Choke, Suppression, Wave, Force Drain, etc. Basically all Offensive powers have been restricted.




Not blaming you at all B, but why the f**k isn't this in the patch notes anywhere, and also why was there no warning given to those of us who've wasted 2-3 months grinding skills we can't use now or have to write some elaborate macro system (no doubt prone to failure due to the horrible lag SWG exhibits). We only had a slight heads up on this 2 months ago cos some smart a$$ player hacked the tre's. SOE not bothering to tell us is just utter BS frankly hun. Please let them know that!





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Kaiser15
Thu Oct 20, 2005 12:51 pm
#69

absolute, utter bullcrap!


the fact that they didnt include it in the patch notes just takes my breath away.
GetSmart
Thu Oct 20, 2005 3:48 pm
#70

The reason I say /respec is because I now have to grind back L S....and then in a month or so they will say "OK" we will allow Hybreds again and so I am I suppose to grindd back my hybred? I mean give the a F^^$^&king break alreay with this crap..Now I understand why people are always leavung this game....


Lets see...................MCM can snare you for 2 minutes........Jedi can snare you for 30 seconds........Doctor can out heal a Jedi.............hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm..Well I guess in the DEVS world Jedi are not that strong..lol...Bring back the times when 5 on 1 BH attacked me, when I could spam attacks. For all you people who say I nuts I seem to remember more people played back then..And C-Net use to be fill. PvP way everywere..



Penguinzx
Thu Oct 20, 2005 11:50 pm
#71






JabbatheFett wrote:

Hmmm. i made a BH/Defender in Beta and it worked fine.

Where is the proof of this stealth nerf?









I have been trying to keep this as close to a constructive thread as possible, but did you even read the rest of the thread? Or any of the thread? Like even the first page?


Cliffs Notes:


1)We're discussing what went to live, not what was in beta.


2)Offensive powers(lightning, force hit, etc.)don't work when weilding a weapon other than an LS or a TK weapon


3)Defensive powers(healing, infusion, aura, etc.) work just fine regardless of what weapon you use


4)The proof would be the testing done by every other person that has posted in this thread that you skipped over reading


I hope that clears things up for you


Now, back to helpful suggestions.



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Hisengal
Fri Oct 21, 2005 5:29 am
#72


**edit** THIS **edit**ING GAME WHY DESTROY IT MORE GODDAMMIT JUST SPENT WEEKS ON MAKEING A BH/JEDI CUZ OF ALL THE **edit**ING JEDI WINNERS THE WHOLE GAME GETS NERFED



whats next painting nerf.....??? Only jedis paintings


dont make it to **edit**ing easy to be a jedi


BH/jedi is much more fun cuz alot more PVP cuz BH's will be after you and you will be after other jedis


hmm ill give devs 1 month to change it back or ill leave game for Good


BTW dev plz ask other than the jedis population in SWG before you make changes





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DureenaBadKarma
Fri Oct 21, 2005 5:32 am
#73






Hisengal wrote:


**edit** THIS **edit**ING GAME WHY DESTROY IT MORE GODDAMMIT JUST SPENT WEEKS ON MAKEING A BH/JEDI CUZ OF ALL THE **edit**ING JEDI WINNERS THE WHOLE GAME GETS NERFED






We're trying to keep this thread as constructive as we can, although I do feel your pain having wasted 3 months myself.

I would have to pull you up on the "CUZ OF ALL THE JEDI WHINERS"... I don't know a single jedi that was worried about hybrids. It was the BH's moaning that a jedi could pull a rifle on them.



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Hisengal
Fri Oct 21, 2005 5:33 am
#74



**edit** THIS **edit**ING GAME WHY DESTROY IT MORE GODDAMMIT JUST SPENT WEEK'S ON MAKING A BH/JEDI CUZ OF ALL THE **edit**ING JEDI WINNERS THE WHOLE GAME GETS NERFED



what's next painting nerf.....??? Only jedi's paintings


don't make it to **edit**ing easy to be a jedi


BH/jedi is much more fun cuz a lot more PVP cuz BH's will be after you and you will be after jedi's


hmm ill give devs 1 month to change it back or ill leave game for Good


BTW dev plz ask other than the jedi's population in SWG before you make changes





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xTtonkax
Fri Oct 21, 2005 8:29 am
#75






Penguinzx wrote:





JabbatheFett wrote:

Hmmm. i made a BH/Defender in Beta and it worked fine.

Where is the proof of this stealth nerf?





I have been trying to keep this as close to a constructive thread as possible, but did you even read the rest of the thread? Or any of the thread? Like even the first page?


Cliffs Notes:


1)We're discussing what went to live, not what was in beta.


2)Offensive powers(lightning, force hit, etc.)don't work when weilding a weapon other than an LS or a TK weapon


3)Defensive powers(healing, infusion, aura, etc.) work just fine regardless of what weapon you use


4)The proof would be the testing done by every other person that has posted in this thread that you skipped over reading


I hope that clears things up for you

Now, back to helpful suggestions.




lmao...cliff notes hehehe




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Algren_Earth-Stormer
Fri Oct 21, 2005 10:34 am
#76






JabbatheFett wrote:

Hmmm. i made a BH/Defender in Beta and it worked fine.

Where is the proof of this stealth nerf?





Duh.... you didn't get affected because Defensive and Healing abilities can still be done with non-LS weapons equiped. NO CHANGE for you.


However... Enhancer and Powers Did get hit with the nerf stick as they have RANGED OFFENSIVE abilities that don't involve a Saber.


Think before you speak.





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livfast
Fri Oct 21, 2005 10:59 am
#77


So here's a question for the hybrids out there: Where to now? Some were grossly effected by this nerf, some like me got lucky with the 1 offensive profession that was left alone and some got lucky with a defensive/passive build that was left alone. Seeing there was zero communication on this change beforehand and zero after, what do people think is next in line for SOE's disapproval of hybrids? Will they be leaving it alone? Nerf instant weapon swaps? Removing all hybrids? Bringing it back? I'm just not sure where to go from here but I sure as hell don't want to be caught off guard.


And a much deserved thanks to the .tre hackers. Please keep hacking away and I'll never doubt you again.





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Penguinzx
Fri Oct 21, 2005 1:53 pm
#78






livfast wrote:

So here's a question for the hybrids out there: Where to now? Some were grossly effected by this nerf, some like me got lucky with the 1 offensive profession that was left alone and some got lucky with a defensive/passive build that was left alone. Seeing there was zero communication on this change beforehand and zero after, what do people think is next in line for SOE's disapproval of hybrids? Will they be leaving it alone? Nerf instant weapon swaps? Removing all hybrids? Bringing it back? I'm just not sure where to go from here but I sure as hell don't want to be caught off guard.









An excellent question. It would be nice if SOE would give us some idea why they implemented this change, and if we can plan on seeing more nerfs in the future to combat the work-arounds we the players have been forced to implement. I intend to continue to work towards the hybrid template I have had my sights set on as I think I will be able to make it work even with this nerf.However, I would appreciate a heads up from the devs if they intend to try yanking the carpet out from under us again.


This is what communication is for SOE. Even if we don't like the changes, it's better that you let us know about them ahead of time. To let people spend months building a template only to completely change the way their abilities work in one ill-conceived publish is simply un-called for. If the intent is to remove all hybrid templates and make it impossible to even use passive force moves while weilding anything but an LS, please, let us know now. It will save many of us a lot of trouble.



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