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FarSuperior

Sun Sep 11, 2005 12:50 am

Physkoris wrote:

FarSuperior wrote:

Physkoris wrote:
Has anyone ever stopped to think that /gasp.. Maybe you suck at pvp, whereas the other guy is really good? Don't blame everything on the game.

lol some people but i know that i can hold my own even against pre CU jedi with a saber that has half the max damage they have... but against a non jedi melee char... hands down they are just better i only really beat them with luck

Fighting against a Jedi and fighting against a melee character is so different you can't even compare the two. Just like melee fighting melee is different from melee fighting ranged. The fact is, maybe melee/CM is our trump card. Kinda like Jedi is toa BH/Pistoleer with no healing.

And furthermore, maybe no one is the right template to take out melee/CM. It seems like for every template, Jedi or normal, there is another template formed specifically to counter it. Maybe we just haven't found a Jedi template to counter melee/CM.

actually melee and jedi are not different at all ive fought pre CU jedi and melee profs and actually jedi are more tricky than melee... but overall its the same game... they can AB, Heal, absorb more htan half your damage, and dish out more than half your damage

i beat them all the time...but its under certain circumstances... or its just that i pull on them a killing move combination before they can pull one on me (ie KD/Stasis)

now if your talking about ranged on the other hand THEN its completely different... but i dont know how you can say melee and jedi are different than each other (unless the jedi is MP)

and also if there is no jedi template that is meant to take out a certain kind of non jedi template... we have a SERIOUS problem this should not be the case

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Physkoris

Sun Sep 11, 2005 12:58 am

#67

FarSuperior wrote:

actually melee and jedi are not different at all ive fought pre CU jedi and melee profs and actually jedi are more tricky than melee... but overall its the same game... they can AB, Heal, absorb more htan half your damage, and dish out more than half your damage

i beat them all the time...but its under certain circumstances... or its just that i pull on them a killing move combination before they can pull one on me (ie KD/Stasis)

now if your talking about ranged on the other hand THEN its completely different... but i dont know how you can say melee and jedi are different than each other (unless the jedi is MP)

and also if there is no jedi template that is meant to take out a certain kind of non jedi template... we have a SERIOUS problem this should not be the case

Let's see... Melee with doc/cm can heal faster than a Jedi. Difference #1. Melee character wearing Energy%75 AB Armor, Jedimight be using Force Armor. Difference #2.For the most part Jedi vs. Jedi, watching your Force doesn't matter (unless it's an awesome matchup). Jedi vs. normal/healing youhave toconserve and spend force wisely. Difference #3.

Now if you can beat them all the time why are yousuggesting that we aren't 1.5x stronger?

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DigitalMice

Sun Sep 11, 2005 1:02 am

#68

Duedroth wrote:
I hate the responses which state:

"You obviously haven't fought the right regular profs"
"You should come to X Server, we have Y and Z here"

Firstly, how would you know which professions I've come up against? I pvp regularly (admittedly alot less in the past 2 weeks because of a promotion at work) and duel very often. I seek out the best for duels. I know who the upper echelon melee stackers are, and I know the same of the BHs on Ahazi.

Secondly, do you honestly believe that only your server has seen an influx of these new non-Jedi templates? Are you so dense as to believe that if someone is having success with their character, they must be on a "lesser" server?

Personally, here's my answer:

I HAVE fought the templates you're talking about. Melee stacker with doc, AB resist 8K armor, the works. MBH/MCM with AB sliced armor, etc. I've fought them all.

And I still say that a full templated Jedi, even without FRS, is about 2.5x stronger than any full template (250 SP allocated to combat professions) non-Jedi. That's right, not only am I disagreeing that we're weaker than 1.5, I'm upping it to 2.5.

And no, I don't sploit.

lol

Congratulations. You have now beat the game. Please teach us other Jedi how to be like you.

Thanks,

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tgrif11

Sun Sep 11, 2005 1:41 am

#69

Any jedi's that feel that they are weaker then normal classes and are losing regularly to ANY normal classes (including MBH/MCM) are simply incompetent players... is all I can say. Being a Jedi doent mean you're automatically UBER. using your Jedi to his max potential takes skill, knowledge of your class and experience.

Did you really think a "jedi" tag makes you invincible? think again.

Execelling in any profession is not easy and takes time and patience. Jedis are no different.

it's your skill that matters. know your template , use the max and right foods andcombat macros, haveaverage+ equipment and know your opponent and you're easily 1.5x stronger then normal classes. easily.

I'd say competent Jedi are even 2x stronger then any normal classes and that's from personal exprience.

Yes, I have personally saw "averge" Post-CU padawans kill top MBHs in less then 5 mins.... while the so called pre-cu "knights" die to ones or have a long and close fight..

Why? Skill is all that matters. nothing more to it.

Not saying a normal player cant beat a good Jedi.. they sure can. but speaking odds - 80% the Jedi wins.

Message Edited by tgrif11 on 09-11-2005 11:43 AM

OhBuggah

Sun Sep 11, 2005 1:44 am

#70

Xalya_Shadowalker wrote:

In one minute of the Jedi v. BH combat you describe:

The Jedi uses Speed once: -300 Force

Aura twice: -300 Force

Suppression twice: -550 Force

Twenty Five special attacks: -750 Force

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Using a total of 1900used Force, roughly 1/3 of the Force bar.

So in one minute of Jedi vs. BH combat the Jedi would've dealt 12,500 damage to a bounty hunter's health bar. Because of a bounty hunter's relatively low defenses, Jedi never miss. It would be even more if the Jedi had pre-CU pearls.

In that same minute the BH would have gotten off roughly30 special attacks hitting for 200 each time with 70% of them missing due to aura+valor+pikatta ... dealing 1800 damage to a Jedi's health bar. For the sake of practicality let's say the BH was also throwing the 2 CM Dots which would cause 600 damage every 10 seconds -- or 3600 damage total over a minute.

So, in one minute a Jedi is capable of hitting a BH for 12,500 damage, and a BH is capable of hitting a Jedi for 5400 damage. The BH would've had to heal6 times just to be standing after a minute, while the Jedi would've only had to heal once.

Jedi: 12,500 damage per minute
BH: 5,400 damage per minute

This is why every PvP'er in his momma is pursuing Jedi. Jedi is most definitely not weaker than, nor even equal to a non-jedi class. I know a lot of Jedi would like it to appear so because they want even more power.

Sandsifter

Sun Sep 11, 2005 2:37 am

#71

Have these people fought the "MASTER BH/ MASTER CM's" ... those are what we mean here. Why does this make a difference? Plain and simple, improved THYROID RUPTURE. In the person aboves case, he has Force Speed one. Only boosting his speed by 10 (already low). With improved Thyroid rupture on him, he will be -30 in speed. I can't see you hitting them at once per every 6 seconds. If you can honestly tell me that a MBH/MCM can't keep up with his healing from you hitting him once per every 6 seconds or more time, then you haven't fought a decent BH. Once your thyroid rupture runs out... PARALYZE...thyroid rupture again. You people who say they are easy to kill must not have fought one with half a brain.

My speed is capped, his speed debuff doesnt hurt me that much. And yes Ive fought MBH/MCM combos. The key is to play defense for a while. Some will have a med droid out, disable it and hope he isnt one of the few players in the game who know about droid repair kits (works like a stim). Keep your probot / R3 on his med droid if out cause his bacta will heal it (a bug, not intentional). Otherwise keep your droid working on him.

Skipperino

Sun Sep 11, 2005 2:39 am

#72

you have to just learn to play your temp, lol we pretty much know what the BH temp will be so use their weakness

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MrSemi

Sun Sep 11, 2005 3:34 am

#73

DigitalMice wrote:

Are there really Jedi here that think we aer 1.5 times stronger than non-Jedi?

Honestly, and this is not a flame, but I feel that if you think Jedi are "strong" now, you are a post-cu Jedi.

The other day I watched a non-Jedi kill 3 out of 6 Jedi that were on him. The Jedi that were on him were all from the upper echelon of the FRS pre-cu. They are the ones that you would NOT want to meet in a dark alley, even if you had 2 to 1 odds, pre cu.

A few people from our guild have started playing strictly on our non-Jedi and found it to be easier AND stronger. I can stand in front of 2 Jedi and just heal their damage without them killing me.

I know this all seems like the typical "Jedi crying" but come on. Stop with the KashtafarEQ2instanced espansions and make the game fun again. If anything, just open up a pre-cu server and see how many people play on it. Isn't SOE here to make the game fun for us? We pay them, so shouldn't they listen to what we beg and plea for? Look at the other thread where 95% of people that responded want the Precu back.

/sigh I regress. This is useless.

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BladeWaker

Sun Sep 11, 2005 3:40 am

#74

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DigitalMice

Sun Sep 11, 2005 3:55 am

#75

lol

Q, explain to theseguys what they are in for when a "Tankers" esque player pops up on their server. Explain to them how I can stand in front of Kristianus for 5 minutes(wish my 75% AB capped armormedic and cm trees) healing and he can't kill me (unless kd bug). Explain to these guys what it was like to be pre cu jedis, or even Master Jedis. Explain to them that it is coming.

We are not saying we don't beat down 99% of bh's that come. We are saying that it's just now starting. I guarantee in a month you guys will see a huge difference.

Message Edited by DigitalMice on 09-11-2005 03:57 AM

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DigitalMice

Sun Sep 11, 2005 3:58 am

#76

MrSemi wrote:

DigitalMice wrote:

Are there really Jedi here that think we aer 1.5 times stronger than non-Jedi?

Honestly, and this is not a flame, but I feel that if you think Jedi are "strong" now, you are a post-cu Jedi.

The other day I watched a non-Jedi kill 3 out of 6 Jedi that were on him. The Jedi that were on him were all from the upper echelon of the FRS pre-cu. They are the ones that you would NOT want to meet in a dark alley, even if you had 2 to 1 odds, pre cu.

A few people from our guild have started playing strictly on our non-Jedi and found it to be easier AND stronger. I can stand in front of 2 Jedi and just heal their damage without them killing me.

I know this all seems like the typical "Jedi crying" but come on. Stop with the KashtafarEQ2instanced espansions and make the game fun again. If anything, just open up a pre-cu server and see how many people play on it. Isn't SOE here to make the game fun for us? We pay them, so shouldn't they listen to what we beg and plea for? Look at the other thread where 95% of people that responded want the Precu back.

/sigh I regress. This is useless.

Swordsman Doc?

TBH, I'm not sure of his full template. Q, what is Sam's temp?

Message Edited by DigitalMice on 09-11-200503:59 AM

Message Edited by DigitalMice on 09-11-2005 03:59 AM

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BladeWaker

Sun Sep 11, 2005 4:10 am

#77

Ok well um 85% saberblock , 78% forcearmor , 168% force feed back ,342906430 % poison resist, Err wth happened> LOL oh yer the CU

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griffstar

Sun Sep 11, 2005 4:11 am

#78

DigitalMice wrote:

Are there really Jedi here that think we aer 1.5 times stronger than non-Jedi?

Honestly, and this is not a flame, but I feel that if you think Jedi are "strong" now, you are a post-cu Jedi.

The other day I watched a non-Jedi kill 3 out of 6 Jedi that were on him. The Jedi that were on him were all from the upper echelon of the FRS pre-cu. They are the ones that you would NOT want to meet in a dark alley, even if you had 2 to 1 odds, pre cu.

A few people from our guild have started playing strictly on our non-Jedi and found it to be easier AND stronger. I can stand in front of 2 Jedi and just heal their damage without them killing me.

I know this all seems like the typical "Jedi crying" but come on. Stop with the KashtafarEQ2instanced espansions and make the game fun again. If anything, just open up a pre-cu server and see how many people play on it. Isn't SOE here to make the game fun for us? We pay them, so shouldn't they listen to what we beg and plea for? Look at the other thread where 95% of people that responded want the Precu back.

/sigh I regress. This is useless.

hell yeah im 1.5 times stronger than a dancer or id

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