Jedi Archive
Thread: Baciacca we need some kind of force pvp, or TEFFs back
noxin
Sun Oct 02, 2005 2:08 pm
#66
Cojonelso wrote:
I see something said over and over ....
Because this is the way it always has been....
do you realize if you use that kind of thought there would still be slavery in the USA...
Women wouldn't be able to vote...
and as a Native american... We wouldn't have welcomed the explores and still have our own country
Change is good.... ... and choices are better.... forced anything is wrong....
PvP is fine if optional.... again Ill ask in what movie did a BH hunt a Jedi.... not attacked a Jedi...was paid to hunt them... NONE!!
and no matter what anyone says... SOE will do as they plan.. No matter what we want..no matter what has been... there will not be the old systems used cause they failed..
So instead of flamming each other... you should all work with constructive idea to assist the devs in making the game fun...not hate this hate that and so on....
PvP is all ready a option for those that want it....
It was never in the movies or story for Jedi to run arround killing every person... infact they ussually disarmed them not even Death blow...other then anikin and other dark Jedi
I think SOE knows that too and it will become like that ... all the PvPers can pick a said and go SF....
if your SF you go on player BH terms... if your non SF .... non faction... maybe a NPC BH will come for you....
either way ...we pay the same fee as a BH and all other profs.... what are they forced to do they don't like??
is that your idea of being special? really? are you sure? thats what being a Jedi is... killing tons of ppl? sorry ..but not all of us agree with that. No matter what names you call ...no matter what threats you say .... some of us will still play the way we want ..no matter what SOE does or doesn't do
you wanna be a player killer god.... then go do it... you wanna force everyone to be like you so you have more ppl you can say your better then... well ...thats justsad
you say this is how its been... so was holo grind...so was money mokk solo groups...so was 10 min wait at shuttles...... so was generic ..300 PPL in MO all wearing comp armor...... so was a game with no mounts of vehicles or space .....
because thats the way its always been is the worse excuse to force PVP ever..... we knew risk was involved for the reward of being a Jedi knight.. a leader a helper a prtector...
who can't help anyone cause if I go on a quest all the NPC content gives me so much vis ... I then get attacked by BH... sure I beat a BH..takes anywher efrom 10-30 min or more when CM wors right...I win.... but thast 10-30 min of my ppl im helping standing there waiting for me to incap a BH enough times he gives up or triple incap dies.... NO i do not DB
and why do you think you can tell me I have to play different... I pay the same fee as anyone else...how dare you tell me I have to be like you.... guess what..your not that cool ( directed at those who say ppl should be like them)
i just read the first lines in youre postand dident bother to read anymore
DarthMallLick
Sun Oct 02, 2005 3:47 pm
#67
This is silly... no one is forcing PvP on any one.. if you go out and get vis your going to get hunted.. you have a choice in everything that you do in this game... I have played jedi in both pre CU=CombatDowngrade.. HEHE (my own way of thinking of it) and CombatDowngrade I liked some of of both.. there has been alot of changes for the better.. and some things that suck.. and we all have our complaints about both.. the devs have stated theres no way its ever going back to pre CombatDowngrade.. so lets get over that part.. next its every ones choice to ether get in to PvP or to be a carebear-Jedi like some call it.. its hard to come up with a good argument for ether side.. as I see the same stuff being said here.. no one is really making alot of since... plain and simple we all have our own minds to make up.. ether be careful and don't get vis.. and don't go overt.. or go out and have fun with out a care of ether.. I have been on the terms since cu came about... and I have lost a few and won alot.. only people really complaining about bh's are the ones ether getting exploited by the bh's and there out there.. not all the bh do it but some have and they know who they are... or the jedi that is grinding its way up... and a low lvl jedi really has no chanceagainst mbh-mcm... but that's the risk you take.. the devs have made to where its pretty easy to stay off the terms if you want to.. just takes a little time to make sure you know what's going on around you and not letting someone not group run up on you like some people love to do... Now with all the being said.. the frs will be back sometime.. and when it does there will be alot more PvP and this will all mellow out.. but like Bac and tanks have both hinted with out coming right out and saying it, its going to be 1v1.. not a mass thing like it use to be.. mainly cause if you look at it now jedi couldn't really get in to it in a mass attack situation like before.. I am M def. and I cant take 2 full temp jedi.. all I could do was heal and ended up doing Ai and that only lasted so long.. no way was I able to deal enough damage to 2 full temp jedi.. any ways that's my 2 cents like it or not there 2 kinds of people playing the game.. jedi who like to PvP and jedi that PvE.. there no way to get rid of one of them the Devs just needs to cater to both and quit trying to make the game better for one or the other... and that is the dilemma.. how can we make the game cater to both.. how about we have a discussion on that instead of bickering about each others play stile... figure out a way both sides can be happy... that's 90% of what's wrong with the jedi forums.. every one spends to much time complaining about how every one else is playing.. how about we figure out what would make the game more fun for both side of this problems...
iosskman
Sun Oct 02, 2005 4:16 pm
#68
LOL i left my jedi afk in the middle of MO for 5 hours came back and nothing happened.
mturnage
Sun Oct 02, 2005 8:21 pm
#69
abbink wrote:
no way no more forced pvp. Thats it ive finally figured out why some people love force pvp so much, and its the same ones i see over and over in every post regarding this subject. No body wants to play with you so you want SOE to force us all to have to play with you. Im sorry you have no online friends either.And pre-cu sucked there was no tactics in it at all. Everyone that pvp had the exact same HAM bar with mind pushed out to the max and all uber doc buffed up all spamming basically the same mind hit over and over. It was brainless maybe thats why some of you really want it back so bad.
ABSOLUTELY.
And further. Seeing someone's mind bar all the way to the max was so freaking annoying.That along with the Doctor buffs, DOT pikes, stun battons, Geo Blasters.... It all sucked. I'm so glad pre-cu is gone. The combat system was burnt to a crisp.
abbink
Mon Oct 03, 2005 12:02 am
#70
Erasmass wrote:
Could some one please post a logical argument on why anyone who pays for an online game should be forced into playing in a way they may not enjoy?
uh because its been that way ,it is that way and if you dont like it to bad. Just quit. Oh and because im a vet and i worked harder to get my jedi than you and i had to endure more risk you should have to to. Oh and because im a bh also and to take it away is taking away my content. Does that sound familuar? LOL
abbink
Mon Oct 03, 2005 12:11 am
#71
Erasmass wrote:lol no no I said logical.
I'm not a Jedi.. I'm Master Pike Master Combat Medic, but I stilll have yet to see a logical reason posted on here justifying forced PvP
LOL that was my point exactly. I have yet to see some major logic behind the reason to keep it the way it is. However i have seen those same responses that ive listed over and over and over and over again.
noxin
Mon Oct 03, 2005 12:11 am
#72
The thing is i have no problem with people having difrent opinions but,what i dont understand is that everyone wants a jedi but they dont want to be hunted when it has always been like that
Niccolado wrote:
noxin wrote:
This is how i see it
1.Noone forced anyone to go jedi
A: Agreed. But for most people Jedi IS Star Wars! At least it is for me!
2.Everyone knew about the bh attacking you
A: Agreed. But that requires that Jedi have a good chance against BHs. Right now we dont really have a fair chance. We are very much unbalanced, and if a BH is attacking me while doing missions or quests, or killing stuff like rancors, or more frequently NightSisters, I end up dead in 95% of the occations. Just because you have to accept BH hunt does not mean BHs should have it easy to kill you. Im running fast out of force too. And Im using Mind, Action and Force when using saber, and on some of my skills also use health! BHs also ahve easy access to Doc Buff and soon Ranger buff, while jedi need to run to a Doc/ranger every 40 minutes just to have the same! Not fair at all! Jedi also have not equal weapons! While BHs have armour slice, Weapon Slice, Krayt enhanched weapons etc. jedi have a krayt pearl nerf running on all the galaxies giving us weaker weapons then our foes! Not fair either!! I can accept BH hunt if we where stronger then today! BHs choce the moment which is a Superb situation for them! If you want to speak about fairness! This shoud also be true for jedi! WHICH IT IS NOT!
This was actualy the same as it always has been if you did mission/quests etc you were more vulnurable<===spelling so this is not a good argument imo you still knew about it
3.Everyone knew about the xp loss on bh death
A: True! But see point 2! its not fair when BHs have all to gain, but nothing to loose!
True but as im trying to say,everyone knew it
4.Jedi still have advantage to a normal proff cloak/Fr etc(if you dont want to be attacked chose these skills)
A: I did not go jedi because to get a free unlock!! I went jedi because thats what I want to play!! Nothing else!!!
You wanted to play a jedi??even tho you did know about the risk??and now you dont like the risk??
5.everyone knew the risk being a jedi
A: See earlier points, like 2 and 3!
Se my other points
So i dont realy see the point complaining when we all knew it
We can accept the drawbacks if its balanced! Fair and Square! Right now. It is not!
Message Edited by Niccolado on 10-02-2005 09:00 PM
sorry for my poor english skills only 1111 
Erasmass
Mon Oct 03, 2005 12:33 am
#73
This is what I'm talking about.. "that's they way it's always been" That kind of reason is that?
Let's please have some logical debate on why forced Jedi PvP makes SWG a better game.
jedibd
Mon Oct 03, 2005 4:51 am
#74
did i strike a nerve for you. Did i hit pretty close to home and thats why you are so upset?
Not in the least.Your comment was moronic and nothing but the rantings af someone who can't get their "I win" button and apparently is clueless,What server are you on again?Maybe I'll come over and group with you and follow you around so I can see the 456 BH a day that are "harrassing" you.I'll even give you a class on how to survive.
As someone else stated maybe 1% of your game time is spent in dealing with BH attacks and even that is too much for you.My total IG time spent indealing with BH amouts to about 2.5 hours.Two hours of which were one attack that covered 4 planets and was very fun as we were roleplaying.I could have ended it in 20 seconds if I had wanted to because I take responsability for myself and could have ran and went to a safe house.(heres a little tip for you.Keep your map up and watch it.You can examine the player approaching and since theyve made it even easier for you,if he doesnt have a MBH in his bio then hes not after you.)
Just curious but I'm guessing you are full temp????Could you explain to me how you made through the horrible "forced PvP" system" all of the way to full template?
i think i really must have been close. I never directed my post at anyone in specific yet for some reason you have found a way to take it personal. Why is that i wonder?
You made a general statement that was meant to anger and get a response.Well I did'nt answr out of anger but out of the fact that your thinking is along the same lines of someone who thinks all wealthy people are evil or didn't work for their success.
Funny thing is that you don't know my play style and that I spend 95% of my time PvE.If a BH comes I decide to engage or leave him frustrated and go about my business.If my faction needs help I'll be there.I enjoy PvE and PvP for different reasons but to say what you did would be equivelant to me saying you want your no pvp button because you are a pansy.Kind of harsh huh?Personally I think it's because you want everything even easier and everything your way NOW.Of course given the short attention span of everyone these days I see where you get it from.The sense of entitlement in the world is leaking over into my funtime.
I'm guessing you spent fair amount of time getting your Jedi so how about acting in a way that shows it actually means something to you instead of destroying the profession.
abbink wrote:
no way no more forced pvp. Thats it ive finally figured out why some people love force pvp so much, and its the same ones i see over and over in every post regarding this subject. No body wants to play with you so you want SOE to force us all to have to play with you. Im sorry you have no online friends either.And pre-cu sucked there was no tactics in it at all. Everyone that pvp had the exact same HAM bar with mind pushed out to the max and all uber doc buffed up all spamming basically the same mind hit over and over. It was brainless maybe thats why some of you really want it back so bad.
ABSOLUTELY.
And further. Seeing someone's mind bar all the way to the max was so freaking annoying.That along with the Doctor buffs, DOT pikes, stun battons, Geo Blasters.... It all sucked. I'm so glad pre-cu is gone. The combat system was burnt to a crisp.
In response to the above it just shows that those of you who whine about it didnt have a clue and thus you hated it.Hated seeing the mind bar maxed out????Well which bar wasnt't maxxed out?Did it affect your game play when other players had maxxed out HAM?Was there somethig stoppin gyou from doing the same?Doctor buffs were a time sink but other than that they were available to everyone so whats you point?
DOTS I agree with you.They were out of control and killed PvP.
Stun batons and geo blasters were just one of things you had to take into consideration in PvP.Ever heard of stun armor?So once you realize what your enemies attack and def. consisted of you planned accordingly.I know that much more complicated than the generic clciking wars we have now where everyone is the same.Personally I think they took it out because some people strugggled with the concept and it was really really difficult to switch armor or weapons.we all know how that equates to harrassment and "forced tactic change" which if you read closely is against the "whiner player constitution" I beleive the first line reads "Freedom of the minority to rule the majority because we will guilt the powers that be into making things our way or we will site them for harrassment and call in the ACLU to be our muscle"
It's ashame when the flaws in out society creap into our fun time.Of course I'm including the obnoxious trash talking mental midgets in that as well as the "harrassment /forced PvP gang"
Swedewahlin
Mon Oct 03, 2005 5:22 am
#75
Cojooneito wrote:
first of all which movie was a jedi hunted by a BH?
second of all... MLS Vs MBH in movie..... windu took of his head with lil effort
I think i should refresh you abit
Empire strikes back: Boba Fett hunts for Luke skywalker. Thats BH vs Jedi
Attack of the clones: Jango Fett kicks Obi -wan kenobi´s butt.
Attack of the clones: Anakin Skywalker and Obi wan kenobi hunts Sam. Thats Jedi vs Bh
fouchin
Mon Oct 03, 2005 5:35 am
#76
allow me to refreash you swedewahlin
boba was not sent after a "jedi" per say. he was order to find the millineum falcon and her crew, which he did cause he himself was after solo for a job he had for jabba. and vader was after his "son" not a jedi.
and jango did not go after obi or kick his ass, he ran like a little girl as he was clearly getting "his" but kicked and once that jetpack was aced he knew he was done.
and when annie and obi went after sam, they didnt know who are what he/she/it was, just went after the droid and found sam only to have another bh hill her before they could question her.
in ALL the films the only bhvs jedi battle that ended in some kind of death was when windu took jango's head with one swipe of his saber. and when boba became sarlac food when solo hit him from behinded during a battle were luke was cuttinghutt thugsdown left and right.
Message Edited by fouchin on 10-03-2005 05:37 AM
Cojonelso
Mon Oct 03, 2005 5:42 am
#77
nope ...he hunted Han solo...
and he ran from Luke in the halls of Cloud City ...ran like a lil girl too.... and Luke wasn't even full temp...still had some pistoleer on him
Just Like Jango ran from Obi wan(tho that was a good duel)
In fact in the movies...a BH is never assigned to kill a Jedi...only smuggler...and furthermore.... the Jedi in EP 1-3 were sent out after BH and Sith ....
I think you need to review the movies again ... or ...maybe actually watch them all the way thro....
fouchin
Mon Oct 03, 2005 5:48 am
#78
Cojonelso wrote:
nope ...he hunted Han solo...
and he ran from Luke in the halls of Cloud City ...ran like a lil girl too.... and Luke wasn't even full temp...still had some pistoleer on him
Just Like Jango ran from Obi wan(tho that was a good duel)
In fact in the movies...a BH is never assigned to kill a Jedi...only smuggler...and furthermore.... the Jedi in EP 1-3 were sent out after BH and Sith ....
I think you need to review the movies again ... or ...maybe actually watch them all the way thro....
yeap, in the movies, only thing a bounty hunter ever did around a jedi was make like forest gump and run run run, or make a quick getaway in a starship.