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jedi being hunted by BH is the only special thing left in the game imo.....

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noxin wrote:
jedi being hunted by BH is the only special thing left in the game imo.....

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you mean a version of Street fighter with less character choices and less special move combos with a Star Wars twist is the only special thing left? This game is in worse shape then i thought.

Could some one please post a logical argument on why anyone who pays for an online game should be forced into playing in a way they may not enjoy?

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Detow_Skrimy wrote:

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Pday wrote:

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Niccolado wrote:

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Srider_Killarney wrote:

the CU has killed pvp ever since it got here. Unless you play on bria pvp is dead, I pvped everyday in the preCU in was nonstop pvp and fun. We need a roleback or some changes to this system, I don't care which but we need some changes. Bring back teffs, and saber teff, impower jedi and yet make some consiquinces. Put the fun back in the game.

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I think we should get rid of forced PvP completely.

and Saber TEF is plain and simple stupid, since it opens completely up for Harassment. Thats part of the reason why they did remove it in the first place!!

jedi is now not as strong as it was. BHs I easy won over earlier, I am now frequently loosing to. And im using my same tactic as earlier. I still win tho, but thats usually against new and unexperienced BHs. Thatd why we should get rid of the Forced PvP! And it also ruins my gameplay, spoiling all my quests and missions. Its very difficult to protect myself against 1 BH and 2 Nightsisters at the same time! One time I had a NS elder and NS Ranger + a BH on me at the same time outside NS Stronghold. Tried to run away from the NSs, but the total damage made it very difficult getting away, specially when the BHs root etc.

We have now come to a point SOE needs to think of if they should remove the Forced PvP. I did not go jedi to get a free unlock. I went jedi, because thats what I want to play. But its difficult and not fun, when BHs are ruining my play. My missions. and my quests.

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you get a free alt, do quests on him if you dont want to not be hunted.

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lot's of jedi choose to make their alt's crafters

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exactly! So if you alt is a crafter then the theory is dont play at all it seems. And a further note. I see people that say dont force your views downtheir throat, well i can say, just like they have, that, isnt there a system in place and that the oppinion of the op is to change that system to force his/her views down our throats? oh and that whole analogy about a jedi being a ferrari. Well if a ferrari isyour only caryou aregoing to have to drive it every day.

Message Edited by abbink on 10-02-2005 12:43 AM

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Srider_Killarney wrote:

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Niccolado wrote:

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Srider_Killarney wrote:

the CU has killed pvp ever since it got here. Unless you play on bria pvp is dead, I pvped everyday in the preCU in was nonstop pvp and fun. We need a roleback or some changes to this system, I don't care which but we need some changes. Bring back teffs, and saber teff, impower jedi and yet make some consiquinces. Put the fun back in the game.

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I think we should get rid of forced PvP completely.

and Saber TEF is plain and simple stupid, since it opens completely up for Harassment. Thats part of the reason why they did remove it in the first place!!

jedi is now not as strong as it was. BHs I easy won over earlier, I am now frequently loosing to. And im using my same tactic as earlier. I still win tho, but thats usually against new and unexperienced BHs. Thatd why we should get rid of the Forced PvP! And it also ruins my gameplay, spoiling all my quests and missions. Its very difficult to protect myself against 1 BH and 2 Nightsisters at the same time! One time I had a NS elder and NS Ranger + a BH on me at the same time outside NS Stronghold. Tried to run away from the NSs, but the total damage made it very difficult getting away, specially when the BHs root etc.

We have now come to a point SOE needs to think of if they should remove the Forced PvP. I did not go jedi to get a free unlock. I went jedi, because thats what I want to play. But its difficult and not fun, when BHs are ruining my play. My missions. and my quests.

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Don't you see nic, jedi lose there power everytime we lose some risk. If there is no risk and not any forced pvp there is no reason for us to be able to rip someone apart with a higher damage. When jedi could be attack anytime someone saw there saber, we were powerful. It is a balance and the more we ask to take out forced pvp on a jedi the weaker we become.

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Jedi lose power because the population increases, the reduction in risk is a side effect. An alpha class with an extremely low population can get away with 10X power, the more common it becomes the closer it moves to 1X power. Asking for increased penalties will not bring increased power.

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negilum wrote:

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Srider_Killarney wrote:

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Niccolado wrote:

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Srider_Killarney wrote:

the CU has killed pvp ever since it got here. Unless you play on bria pvp is dead, I pvped everyday in the preCU in was nonstop pvp and fun. We need a roleback or some changes to this system, I don't care which but we need some changes. Bring back teffs, and saber teff, impower jedi and yet make some consiquinces. Put the fun back in the game.

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I think we should get rid of forced PvP completely.

and Saber TEF is plain and simple stupid, since it opens completely up for Harassment. Thats part of the reason why they did remove it in the first place!!

jedi is now not as strong as it was. BHs I easy won over earlier, I am now frequently loosing to. And im using my same tactic as earlier. I still win tho, but thats usually against new and unexperienced BHs. Thatd why we should get rid of the Forced PvP! And it also ruins my gameplay, spoiling all my quests and missions. Its very difficult to protect myself against 1 BH and 2 Nightsisters at the same time! One time I had a NS elder and NS Ranger + a BH on me at the same time outside NS Stronghold. Tried to run away from the NSs, but the total damage made it very difficult getting away, specially when the BHs root etc.

We have now come to a point SOE needs to think of if they should remove the Forced PvP. I did not go jedi to get a free unlock. I went jedi, because thats what I want to play. But its difficult and not fun, when BHs are ruining my play. My missions. and my quests.

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Don't you see nic, jedi lose there power everytime we lose some risk. If there is no risk and not any forced pvp there is no reason for us to be able to rip someone apart with a higher damage. When jedi could be attack anytime someone saw there saber, we were powerful. It is a balance and the more we ask to take out forced pvp on a jedi the weaker we become.

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Jedi lose power because the population increases, the reduction in risk is a side effect. An alpha class with an extremely low population can get away with 10X power, the more common it becomes the closer it moves to 1X power. Asking for increased penalties will not bring increased power.

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especially when everyone ends up being one. Once everyone has one guess what? we will all be only 1x stronger than everyone else except for the noobs that will be working on getting a jedi. This is star wars and most players will want to become jedi. When a brand new player happens to cross my path guess what the first question they ask me is? Bet you can guess "how do i become a jedi?" or "what badges do i need to become a jedi" It has nothing to do with people asking for changes in the profession it has everything to do with people wanting to be a jedi because this game carries the name of STAR WARS. Make a new alpha profession that has nothing to do with jedi and i bet it wouldnt be desired by many and it would remain alpha because it is rare. And as the population continues to increase and increase as youve seen happening then there will be no point at all to have any content in this game what so ever because the way the current system is, we would all just be pvping all the time non-stop every where. Add more forced pvp and it would only be worse. Might as well just make each planet an open battle field with no npc's where we can just have it out with each other all day. It would get pretty boring pretty quick. There ends up being no stroy line, no plot, nothing to keep peoples focus when there is nothing to do but pvp. It will turn this game into a twisted star wars version of Street Fighter or Mortal Kombat online. Thats why pvp should just be a little added bonus to this game for those that want to compete. it should never be the main focus of any aspect of this game.

Message Edited by abbink on 10-02-2005 01:10 AM

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noxin wrote:

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Niccolado wrote:

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noxin wrote:

This is how i see it

1.Noone forced anyone to go jedi

A: Agreed. But for most people Jedi IS Star Wars! At least it is for me!

2.Everyone knew about the bh attacking you

A: Agreed. But that requires that Jedi have a good chance against BHs. Right now we dont really have a fair chance. We are very much unbalanced, and if a BH is attacking me while doing missions or quests, or killing stuff like rancors, or more frequently NightSisters, I end up dead in 95% of the occations. Just because you have to accept BH hunt does not mean BHs should have it easy to kill you. Im running fast out of force too. And Im using Mind, Action and Force when using saber, and on some of my skills also use health! BHs also ahve easy access to Doc Buff and soon Ranger buff, while jedi need to run to a Doc/ranger every 40 minutes just to have the same! Not fair at all! Jedi also have not equal weapons! While BHs have armour slice, Weapon Slice, Krayt enhanched weapons etc. jedi have a krayt pearl nerf running on all the galaxies giving us weaker weapons then our foes! Not fair either!! I can accept BH hunt if we where stronger then today! BHs choce the moment which is a Superb situation for them! If you want to speak about fairness! This shoud also be true for jedi! WHICH IT IS NOT!

This was actualy the same as it always has been if you did mission/quests etc you were more vulnurable<===spelling so this is not a good argument imo you still knew about it

3.Everyone knew about the xp loss on bh death

A: True! But see point 2! its not fair when BHs have all to gain, but nothing to loose!

True but as im trying to say,everyone knew it

4.Jedi still have advantage to a normal proff cloak/Fr etc(if you dont want to be attacked chose these skills)

A: I did not go jedi because to get a free unlock!! I went jedi because thats what I want to play!! Nothing else!!!

You wanted to play a jedi??even tho you did know about the risk??and now you dont like the risk??

5.everyone knew the risk being a jedi

A: See earlier points, like 2 and 3!

Se my other points

So i dont realy see the point complaining when we all knew it

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We can accept the drawbacks if its balanced! Fair and Square! Right now. It is not!

Message Edited by Niccolado on 10-02-2005 09:00 PM

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The thing is i have no problem with people having difrent opinions but,what i dont understand is that everyone wants a jedi but they dont want to be hunted when it has always been like that sorry for my poor english skills only 1111

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The reason is very easy mate! The reason why everyone wants jedi, is because thats every child and teenager have dreamed about since watching the movies for the first time! Also, jedi IS star Wars! Way more then TKM or Ranger will ever be!!

I will also add that I loved being Swordsman very much too! In the time before I got jedi! But it was still Jedi I wanted to be as soon as I had explored most of the interesting professions in SWG. After testing out over 20 professions on 4 characters, jedi is still my all-time-favorite in SWG, only destroyed by the continous and evergoing nerfs.

To end this nerf i proposed to:
1. Make Jedi another balanced Elite profession, but with longer grind time. So jedi should be as strong as a Master Rifle/Master Carbine + Doc, but instead of 1 grind week, jedi should take 6 grind months.

2. Remove Forced PvP! Everyons should be allowed to chose their time for PvP!! And not when someone is fightning against NS. Thats not fair, because the jedi is already aggroed!

3. It will also reduce the friction between jedi and the rest of the classes. Which destroys the game more then you should believe!

4. FRS for Jedi. GCW for non-jedi! ONLY!

5. Free characters for everyone as a 2 year vet reward. Except jedi, who have already got it


Theres more to it too, but these are the main lines.

Message Edited by Niccolado on 10-02-2005 10:08 PM

Message Edited by Niccolado on 10-02-2005 10:08 PM

Forcing some people into PvP doesnt make sense from a game point of view, it should be everyone forced into PvP or nobody. To single Jedi out cause you spend all the time unlocking you must engage in PvP seems strange. Those people that enjoy PvP cause of the challenge it presents get nothing out of it, the Jedi runs, cloaks or dies not adding much in the way of content. And those people that enjoy PvP would still participate even if they werent forced into it. This is just away to make the game as unenjoyable as possible for those people that dont like it.

The Devs should concentrate more on make the GCW the definative PvP experience and started making some distinctions between rebels and Imperials and stop making the big PvP side of thing Jedi vs Bounty Hunter side of things.

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Costello wrote:

Forcing some people into PvP doesnt make sense from a game point of view, it should be everyone forced into PvP or nobody. To single Jedi out cause you spend all the time unlocking you must engage in PvP seems strange. Those people that enjoy PvP cause of the challenge it presents get nothing out of it, the Jedi runs, cloaks or dies not adding much in the way of content. And those people that enjoy PvP would still participate even if they werent forced into it. This is just away to make the game as unenjoyable as possible for those people that dont like it.

The Devs should concentrate more on make the GCW the definative PvP experience and started making some distinctions between rebels and Imperials and stop making the big PvP side of thing Jedi vs Bounty Hunter side of things.

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The need for balance amonst jedi and bh and all professions for that matter is a direct result of the requiremnt of pvp in this game especially for jedi as it is currently. To keep this game fresh and exciting we need un-balance and we need to move away from the pvp requirement. PvP should be for those that enjoy some friendly compitition. as ive said Do we really want this game to become an online version of Street Fighter or Mortal Kombat with a GWC Star Wars twist? Well honestly do we?