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Thread: DWB Exploiters are going to get Cloak NERFED
Warryyr wrote:
Training MOBs on other people purposefully is against the EULA. File a harassment ticket.
Kurso wrote:
All servers seem to have a problem with cloaked Jedi repeatedly looting the DWB drops and spawning countless SBDs. And in some cases drawing these SBDs to groups that attempt to use the DWB so they will notcompete with the loot whores doing it.Any time Jedi do something that has a negative effect on gameply for others we are going to get hit with another NERF bat.
Don't you think we get enough complaints about Jedi already? Do we really need another nerf because a few Jedi think the DWB belongs to them alone? Grow up people!
Kurso wrote:
It's not just about then looting continuously. It's about them drawing agro to you from large groups of NPCs to PURPOSELY kill you and prevent you from looting, crafting, or completing the DWB. This is against the EULA and no one player should have the ability to impact 8-16 other players in this manner!
omg, u know force runs out, cant stay down there forever (trust me i know). its not like u lose xp from dieing anymore, if SOMEONE is taking advantage then they should be reported, thats why there are csr's, not nerf a skill cause u think its unfair. plus u should read the eula before u go around miss quoting it, inless it takes third party software or the player is changing files/code its not a breach of the contract.
besides i think they have increased the force cost on cloak.
VilKaleThaos wrote:
LOL
ok lets b-i-t-c-h about this, like fr2 and fr3, and ai, and get it nerfed too, ya how great.
whats the draw back from this, more mandol. armor and jetpacks, ya how horrible, how dare they.
HATERS!!!!!!
Um......you can't get passed the rooms with the insane infinite respawn..and if your crafter dies, it's over.
Kurso wrote:
VilKaleThaos wrote:
LOL
ok lets b-i-t-c-h about this, like fr2 and fr3, and ai, and get it nerfed too, ya how great.
whats the draw back from this, more mandol. armor and jetpacks, ya how horrible, how dare they.
HATERS!!!!!!
It's not just about then looting continuously. It's about them drawing agro to you from large groups of NPCs to PURPOSELY kill you and prevent you from looting, crafting, or completing the DWB. This is against the EULA and no one player should have the ability to impact 8-16 other players in this manner!
I can do the same training as an Enhancer, healer, Defender, Creature handler and Parwan nutricake, and probably a Dancer with some combat skills to get some good armor. Again it is the TARD that is training not the skill. Stop Nerfing based upon your dislike of a skill because your two on two fights end up with a couple of the opposing factions friends uncloaking on you. As for server issues with tards opening the coalbins again anyone can do it and run around and lose the aggro, Feign Death is working for this again too.
I repeat the reference to the Astromechs
Least Played
Squad Leader
Chef
Force Sensitive - Crafting
Droid Engineer
Ranger
Bio Engineer
Musician
Armorsmith
Image Designer
Shipwright
Weaponsmith
Architect
Force Wielder
Fencer
Tailor
Pikeman
Dancer
Commando
Force Defender
Force Enhancer
Force Healer
Light Saber Mastery
Creature Handler
Smuggler
Swordsman
Combat Medic
Merchant
Doctor
Politician
Carbineer
Force Sensitive - Senses
Teras Kasi
Pistoleer
Rifleman
Force Sensitive - Reflexes
Bounty Hunter
Force Sensitive - Combat
Most Played
to see there are less players with cloak than DANCERS.
NERF THE TARDS NOT THE SKILLS
DivNotDed wrote:
Kurso wrote:
VilKaleThaos wrote:
LOL
ok lets b-i-t-c-h about this, like fr2 and fr3, and ai, and get it nerfed too, ya how great.
whats the draw back from this, more mandol. armor and jetpacks, ya how horrible, how dare they.
HATERS!!!!!!
It's not just about then looting continuously. It's about them drawing agro to you from large groups of NPCs to PURPOSELY kill you and prevent you from looting, crafting, or completing the DWB. This is against the EULA and no one player should have the ability to impact 8-16 other players in this manner!
I can do the same training as an Enhancer, healer, Defender, Creature handler and Parwan nutricake, and probably a Dancer with some combat skills to get some good armor. Again it is the TARD that is training not the skill. Stop Nerfing based upon your dislike of a skill because your two on two fights end up with a couple of the opposing factions friends uncloaking on you. As for server issues with tards opening the coalbins again anyone can do it and run around and lose the aggro, Feign Death is working for this again too.
I repeat the reference to the Astromechs
Least Played
Squad Leader
Chef
Force Sensitive - Crafting
Droid Engineer
Ranger
Bio Engineer
Musician
Armorsmith
Image Designer
Shipwright
Weaponsmith
Architect
Force Wielder
Fencer
Tailor
Pikeman
Dancer
Commando
Force Defender
Force Enhancer
Force Healer
Light Saber Mastery
Creature Handler
Smuggler
Swordsman
Combat Medic
Merchant
Doctor
Politician
Carbineer
Force Sensitive - Senses
Teras Kasi
Pistoleer
Rifleman
Force Sensitive - Reflexes
Bounty Hunter
Force Sensitive - Combat
Most Played
to see there are less players with cloak than DANCERS.
NERF THE TARDS NOT THE SKILLS
So your saying that with all of these professions, I can train 15+ Super Battle Droids onto another player without getting killed myself or even having a risk of getting killed? That is laughable and just a dumb statement.
Feign Death is a very bad example. Anyone trying to draw a train of NPCs in the DWB by using Feign Death would either be dead in seconds or have to use Feign Death instantly after agro and would not get very far.
As for force, you and I both know how easy it is to regen force in the DWB. Just train your agro on other players, and go to a spot without a spawn. And if your not doing anything else healing, aura, infusion, FR, using your saber, you can last a pretty good amount of time down there.
Cloak it broken and highly exploitable. There are many exploitable skills in the game. Why would you not want to fix them to make the game better? Or would they be taking away your exploit?
Message Edited by Kurso on 08-22-2005 08:15 PM
Message Edited by Kurso on 08-22-2005 08:17 PM
Sena1 wrote:
shows how much u know, ever notice overspawn on the corvette? yeah thats because of cloakers. ever seen a person on ur corvette run who wasnt in ur group? yeah i have to.
Is that it? I recently made some vette missions with my guild. Some needed the badge and others (like me) for the fun of it.
of SBD near the loot-containers.
Kurso wrote:
So your saying that with all of these professions, I can train 15+ Super Battle Droids onto another player without getting killed myself or even having a risk of getting killed? That is laughable and just a dumb statement.
Feign Death is a very bad example. Anyone trying to draw a train of NPCs in the DWB by using Feign Death would either be dead in seconds or have to use Feign Death instantly after agro and would not get very far.
As for force, you and I both know how easy it is to regen force in the DWB. Just train your agro on other players, and go to a spot without a spawn. And if your not doing anything else healing, aura, infusion, FR, using your saber, you can last a pretty good amount of time down there.
Cloak it broken and highly exploitable. There are many exploitable skills in the game. Why would you not want to fix them to make the game better? Or would they be taking away your exploit?
Message Edited by Kurso on 08-22-2005 08:15 PM
Message Edited by Kurso on 08-22-2005 08:17 PM
VilKaleThaos wrote:
omg, u know force runs out, cant stay down there forever (trust me i know). its not like u lose xp from dieing anymore, if SOMEONE is taking advantage then they should be reported, thats why there are csr's, not nerf a skill cause u think its unfair. plus u should read the eula before u go around miss quoting it, inless it takes third party software or the player is changing files/code its not a breach of the contract.
besides i think they have increased the force cost on cloak.
Message Edited by Kurso on 08-22-2005 08:37 PM
DivNotDed wrote:
Kurso wrote:
So your saying that with all of these professions, I can train 15+ Super Battle Droids onto another player without getting killed myself or even having a risk of getting killed? That is laughable and just a dumb statement.
Feign Death is a very bad example. Anyone trying to draw a train of NPCs in the DWB by using Feign Death would either be dead in seconds or have to use Feign Death instantly after agro and would not get very far.
As for force, you and I both know how easy it is to regen force in the DWB. Just train your agro on other players, and go to a spot without a spawn. And if your not doing anything else healing, aura, infusion, FR, using your saber, you can last a pretty good amount of time down there.
Cloak it broken and highly exploitable. There are many exploitable skills in the game. Why would you not want to fix them to make the game better? Or would they be taking away your exploit?
Message Edited by Kurso on 08-22-2005 08:15 PM
Message Edited by Kurso on 08-22-2005 08:17 PM
So now cloak is an exploit? Again take a group down to the DWB or just go to any spawn of 15-20 bad things and train them for as far as you can to see how far you can get before you die, and btw remeber the DWB LOS is poor meaning those slow SBD's are following just not hitting often. Every example I used could train which is the bannable offense not the use of a skill. As for FD I was referring to the use of it to loot the bins like they used to. They run down, lose aggro as they run make it to the coal bin open it and FD, then lay there till it respawns the loot( I am not sure if they can still leave it open and just loot it or not.) I like the idea put forth about looting should decloak or interacting with NPC's that would make a lot of sense. I am still infavor of going after the TARDS as opposed to nerfing though.
This problem could be fixed so easily.
Supposedly Cloak like so many say is clouding the minds of those to make them not seen.
Why does it work on the droids? BD's and SBD's should be able to see a cloaked Jedi as they have no mind to cloud.
I am a Master Powers Jedi so no bias at all.
Now don't get this misunderstood and say well then Players can use droids to shoot at cloaked Jedi, Well NO Pet droids need your commands to direct them what to attack so if you don't know what to attack then you can't tell the droid either.
I don't want Cloak nerfed and this makes perfect sense.
DROIDS should be immune to Cloak.
Ialwysdie wrote:
This problem could be fixed so easily.
Supposedly Cloak like so many say is clouding the minds of those to make them not seen.
Why does it work on the droids? BD's and SBD's should be able to see a cloaked Jedi as they have no mind to cloud.
I am a Master Powers Jedi so no bias at all.
Now don't get this misunderstood and say well then Players can use droids to shoot at cloaked Jedi, Well NO Pet droids need your commands to direct them what to attack so if you don't know what to attack then you can't tell the droid either.
I don't want Cloak nerfed and this makes perfect sense.
DROIDS should be immune to Cloak.
Having NPC droids break cloak would be a good idea. Also interacting with objects in the world should break cloak as well. I'm a Jedi too guys. I hate calling for any skill, Jedi or non-Jedi, to be nerfed but there is a problem with cloak and the DWB is highlighting it perfectly.
I've had my share of skills nerfed. I'm Master Defender, AI was nerfed. One Alt was a smuggler. Dropped it because my root was nerfed. My other alt is a Master Armorsmith. It's so buggy I can't even make a full suit of armor come out the same color.
I just want other people to stop ruining my gameplay. Some would say ban the exploiter/griefer. I'm all for it but you can't get a CSR all the time. If it's doable people will do it.
The CSRs are aware of the issue and have taken action on at least one occasion. Tiggs is aware of it. The Devs are aware of it. If people would respect other players this would not be an issue. But it is and it must be stopped.
Message Edited by Kurso on 08-22-2005 08:48 PM
Kurso wrote:
Having NPC droids break cloak would be a good idea. Also interacting with objects in the world should break cloak as well. I'm a Jedi too guys. I hate calling for any skill, Jedi or non-Jedi, to be nerfed but there is a problem with cloak and the DWB is highlighting it perfectly.
I've had my share of skills nerfed. I'm Master Defender, AI was nerfed. One Alt was a smuggler. Dropped it because my root was nerfed. My other alt is a Master Armorsmith. It's so buggy I can't even make a full suit of armor come out the same color.
I just want other people to stop ruining my gameplay. Some would say ban the exploiter/griefer. I'm all for it but you can't get a CSR all the time. If it's doable people will do it.
The CSRs are aware of the issue and have taken action on at least one occasion. Tiggs is aware of it. The Devs are aware of it. If people would respect other players this would not be an issue. But it is and it must be stopped.
Message Edited by Kurso on 08-22-2005 08:48 PM