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Thread: [Discussion] Removal of XP loss upon BH death?
GinazResser wrote:
Subie_Smith wrote:
The only way that BH missions and XP loss could be justified would be if a MBH template were to cost 400 million XP instead of 12 and they lost the same amount of XP from failing or aborting a mission. Otherwise it's just blatant SOE sanctioned griefing to appease all of the little nerf-babies who are jealous of Jedi.
Until we admit that there is no 'Discussion'... just a bunch of people lying to each other.
LOL I'm not jelous of jedi at all. In fact, I have 2 of them.
Subie_Smith wrote:
GinazResser wrote:
Subie_Smith wrote:
The only way that BH missions and XP loss could be justified would be if a MBH template were to cost 400 million XP instead of 12 and they lost the same amount of XP from failing or aborting a mission. Otherwise it's just blatant SOE sanctioned griefing to appease all of the little nerf-babies who are jealous of Jedi.Until we admit that there is no 'Discussion'... just a bunch of people lying to each other.
LOL I'm not jelous of jedi at all. In fact, I have 2 of them.
Yeah! Good for you! But that's not what I said now is it? BH missions were specifically introduced (according to SOE) to limit the Jedi population. Now why would we need to limit the Jedi population?(This is the part where you tell me it's for 'continuity' reasons...)
Think of it this way. Some of the skills available to a jedi were probably placed in there to counter BH's and to give the jedi, especially lower ones, a chance to either kill the BH or get away and avoid losing xp. Now you take the incentive to have these skills, xp loss, and what would most likely happen is soe will say "OK well the reason for giving them skill X is gone so we're removing it from the game". So jedi gets nerfed again and all the people like yourself will come on here screaming, crying and moaning about how the devs nerfed jed again. The skill removed may have other benefits besides BH encounters but too bad its gone. Understand? Think of it as a chain reaction of nerfs. One nerf leads to another nerf and so on and so on.
Message Edited by GinazResser on 09-07-2005 04:03 PM
All I see are lil "nerf baby" Jedi crying about something that has been around forever and will stay. Thats all I see.
You are not forced to play a Jedi or the game for that matter. Cancel button works great so I hear.
I dont think anyone is envious of Jedi anylonger. The path is so easy that why not just spend a couple 3 months and make their own? Damn near everyone I know that is a BH has an alt Jedi =p
I like the current system. I ACTUALLY feel a rush when a BH comes after me. I've defeated probably about 60 to 70% of the ones that i've gone up against, but it is still exciting. It is the ONLY piece of this game that is COMPLETELY unpredictable ... and i think it's part of the reward for all of the work it took to get to Jedi (ground 18 professions (3 holocrons) 4th silent... then had to do 3 more branches in village).
The only thing that i think would make the current system even more fun, would be if BH could gang up in a team, and the supporting characters in a Jedi's group could also join the fight. It would make for adhoc battles that could be AWESOME. If your grinding with a visible Jedi, be prepared ... you could be in for the PvP of a lifetime. 
just an idea.
I'm not a PvPer ... but i've grown to appreciate that it is the danger of what should be the Galaxies most powerful profession. It should also come with danger ... if that's XP loss (something that still has some meaning) ... or maybe a BH could "loot" a random item from you ... that would be dangerous, and exciting.
silversaber wrote:
Read the highlighted area.
You want to team up on Jedi. Tell me, wheres the challenge and risk in doing that? Its a guarenteed no-loose situation for you, and no chance for the Jedi to win at all. Real fun for you right?
Risk vs Reward, yea riiiiight. Wheres YOUR risk, eh?
You want the reward of the kill, without risking yourself.
Anyone that groups together to kill a single player with no risk to themself has no one to blame for the reduction of the role ofPvP in this game but themselves.
Message Edited by Jacella on 09-07-2005 01:19 PM
Jacella wrote:
silversaber wrote:
Read the highlighted area.You want to team up on Jedi. Tell me, wheres the challenge and risk in doing that? Its a guarenteed no-loose situation for you, and no chance for the Jedi to win at all. Real fun for you right?Risk vs Reward, yea riiiiight. Wheres YOUR risk, eh?You want the reward of the kill, without risking yourself.Anyone that groups together to kill a single player with no risk to themself has no one to blame for the reduction of the role of PvP in this game but themselves.
Seriously, if you aren't able to beat the BH's, you need to practice more. As it stands, most BH's are unable to defeat their jedi marks. The "fair" fight can't be found. Also, a jedi that has visibility is hunted, and the fight should be skewed on the side of the hunter, not the hunted. The only effective way to do this is to allow teams. If you are one of those jedi that can't win, well, don't get on the terms, fanboi. It's easy enough to avoid. If you are one of those jedi that does win, then maybe more of a challenge should be a good thing.
I had a BH come for me last night. He was lvl 80 and fully buffed, so much so I don't think I saw all the buffs he had going under his HAM bar, and he caught me offguard with no buffs or aura/infusion on. I killed him in 6 hits. Armor break, saberthrow, power attack, head hit, leg hit, saberthrow...DB. Someone tell me again how weak jedi are?
Jacella wrote:
silversaber wrote:
Read the highlighted area.
You want to team up on Jedi. Tell me, wheres the challenge and risk in doing that? Its a guarenteed no-loose situation for you, and no chance for the Jedi to win at all. Real fun for you right?
Risk vs Reward, yea riiiiight. Wheres YOUR risk, eh?
You want the reward of the kill, without risking yourself.
Anyone that groups together to kill a single player with no risk to themself has no one to blame for the reduction of the role ofPvP in this game but themselves.
Seriously, if you aren't able to beat the BH's, you need to practice more. As it stands, most BH's are unable to defeat their jedi marks. The "fair" fight can't be found. Also, a jedi that has visibility is hunted, and the fight should be skewed on the side of the hunter, not the hunted. The only effective way to do this is to allow teams. If you are one of those jedi that can't win, well, don't get on the terms, fanboi. It's easy enough to avoid. If you are one of those jedi that does win, then maybe more of a challenge should be a good thing.
LOL ok....
Proof positive you DONT want any risk, and want "I win" insta-kill button, just because the Jedi built too much visibility.
Soo much for the "I PvP for the rush and the skill needed!"
Tell me, where is the skill in team-ganking another player? Huh? Wheres the RISK?
You tell me that you need to team up on a Jedi to be able to win, and I say your FULL of it. I know BH that can take ANY template Jedi down.
You dont want PvP with the risks and challenges involved, you want to punish other players forplaying a Jedi.
So much for playing for the Risk vs Reward, you dont want any risk, you want the reward handed to you on a silver platter. And that reward is punishing that other player for DAREING to play a Jedi in this game.
silversaber wrote:
Saxiff wrote:
silversaber wrote:
Saxiff wrote:
You want to play as "normal" people. Thats what your previous choice in profession was. Thats what your ALT is. Jedi is the be all to end all in this game. Its been made so easy and now people who unlock find if harsh. What a joke. Exactley how long have you been a Jedi? If you would like to go with your guidies to dwb ect...take your alt. Pre-cu we had to grind "ALONE" I did not spend anytime with my guidies for months on end. Now you get to grind with them nightly. Only thing you have against you is the current drop of crystals and pearls and that will be fixed.
Quit the crying already...
P.S hey Jace, I agree about the BH teams also. At least a 2 man team if not pure gank groups again. That would put some fear back into Jedi and make it oh so fun again.
So much for your vaunted "Risk vs Reward"
You want the reward for NO risk at all.
Message Edited by silversaber on 09-07-2005 10:05 AM
Say what? Reward for NO risk? What?
Read the highlighted area.
You want to team up on Jedi. Tell me, wheres the challenge and risk in doing that? Its a guarenteed no-loose situation for you, and no chance for the Jedi to win at all. Real fun for you right?
Risk vs Reward, yea riiiiight. Wheres YOUR risk, eh?
You want the reward of the kill, without risking yourself.
Anyone that groups together to kill a single player with no risk to themself has no one to blame for the reduction of the role ofPvP in this game but themselves.
Its so obvious that you have never played a BH or at least not played one since the BH nerf. BH solo were so much tougher pre-cu than today. Its extremely hard for a single BH to kill a skilled Jedi. The win loss rates alone show that. I am talking a straight up fight, not ganking someone tanking a lair or afk or whatever. Go out and give it a try yourself...
As for no chance for a Jedi to win at all against 2 BH...Ask the old school Knight on Tempest who handed me and my buddy our tails 2 vrs 1 Monday night. We never stood a chance. He put the pure beatdown on us and I loved every min of it. Get off that high horse and learn a few things about the game before spouting nonsense.
Oh and my risk comes from my Jedi 
BH teams should come back
I'll reply to both, as a Jedi and BH
Jedi :
- Actual system is not stopping anything, only complete removal of afk grind will put a big STOP sign in front of Jedi
- No tension at all, and even more abuse by losing on purpose to share the bounty
- AFK grind is still too easy, normal grind is, well, normal No xp loss won't change much tho...
- XP loss won't make stupid Jedi show less, since they are finished template and show everywhere they can... As a Jedi I try to always hide, remove Jedi buff and unequip saber when entering a populated area. jedi are supposed to be hiding at that time, but since they have no con for showing, they don't care at all... I'd like to see something like the "blue glowy" stuff, or maybe a skill loss...
BH :
- If I sometimes hunt Jedi it's for the challenge, and used to be for money but now with the uber loots we have that's useless to hunt Jedi for money... I can't say it's to reduce the Jedi growth since I seriously don't think it have any impact on it.
- As a Jedi too yeah, i see no problem with having a con to showing you are a Jedi... Now groupmates don't give vis so you can still hunt with friends, but now /duel everyone in Theed or mining op -_- If you don't show you migh be on the terms (unlucky pop of npc, etc) but there's a lot less chances...
- Since I hunt them for challenge, yeah I would (don't hunt much tho)
- Yeah I think BH should have a con too for losing against a Jedi, a slight penalty like being unable to pop the Jedi you lost to for a week, or maybe even any Jedi.
Some following questions to consider when discussing:
JEDI:
- Do you beleive the BH system currently is effectively stopping the growth of jedi (as intended) ?
No, it might have been only stopping some honestJedi playing but never ever stops l337 Jedi.
- If XP loss was removed would you feel as much "tension" when losing to a BH ?
Even I'm full template, I believe tension will lower and both sides would will to fight.
- If this occured do you beleive the grind would now be "too easy", "just right", or still "too hard" ?
Grind is already flattered a lot. It is much longer than any other proffession and much same power with other templates.
- Does XP loss now (or even when grinding) make you "show off" less ?
I do not show-off since start, however there are much more full templates showing-off then Padawans who are already no fear of xp loss. I would suggest more permanent solution for NPC's to hunt Jedi in starports with any single force usage or robe wearing, then to clone center.. simple, easy and more effective on stopping show-offs.
More or less in my opinion, BH should hunt who actually do PvP. Visibility should be in terms of PvP and those who are hunted should loose XP.
If a Jedi likes PvP, kills other Special forces, "become" special forces, kill other dueled players, those who should be in terms. Because "Problem-child" Jedi are the ones who likes PK all the time.
Message Edited by gera on 09-07-200511:43 AM
Message Edited by gera on 09-07-2005 11:43 AM
silversaber wrote:
LOL ok....
Proof positive you DONT want any risk, and want "I win" insta-kill button, just because the Jedi built too much visibility.
Soo much for the "I PvP for the rush and the skill needed!"
Tell me, where is the skill in team-ganking another player? Huh? Wheres the RISK?
You tell me that you need to team up on a Jedi to be able to win, and I say your FULL of it. I know BH that can take ANY template Jedi down.
You dont want PvP with the risks and challenges involved, you want to punish other players forplaying a Jedi.
So much for playing for the Risk vs Reward, you dont want any risk, you want the reward handed to you on a silver platter. And that reward is punishing that other player for DAREING to play a Jedi in this game.
I want jedi to have an obsticle to finish their templates. I want some jedi to quit because jedi is too hard. I want some jedi to not log in their jedi because they FEAR something. I want jedi to become a shadow if it's former glory and for the wussy wimps that whine endlessly about everything to just give up on their jedi and play one of these other professions that they say id better than jedi. I want the jedi population to decrease so that those of us that have worked darned hard to become good and strong players can regain some level of respect unstead of having every other profession think we are nothing but whiny babies who want an insti-i-win button.
That is the truth!