Jedi Archive

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Fugitron wrote:

There has been alot of comments latelyabout completely removing XP loss from the BH system. This thread is to discuss the "possibility" and PROs and CONs if this did occur. Pleasetry to keep flaming down and to stay on-topic. BHs are welcome to give constructive input.

Some following questions to consider when discussing:

JEDI:

- Do you beleive the BH system currently is effectively stopping the growth of jedi (as intended) ?

PFFT HELLLLLLL NAHHH

- If XP loss was removed would you feel as much "tension" when losing to a BH ?

Depends on BH tbh

- If this occured do you beleive the grind would now be "too easy", "just right", or still "too hard" ?

Would be between Just right and too hard as we still get a 6th of norm lvl 80 xp and have 10times the grind

- Does XP loss now (or even when grinding) make you "show off" less ?

Nah

BOUNTY HUNTER:

- What is the main motivation for hunting player jedi (please be honest) ?

Fighting something other than a thickheaded, crappy coded "i'l stand there and die" NPC

- Do you beleive its fair that jedi are the only profession in the game that loses something upon (BH) death ?

No

- If they took away jedi XP loss would you hunt as many jedi as you do now ?

Yep

- If XP loss remains do you beleive BHs should be punished for losses or consecutive losses ?

Yep, Lose the master box, just as easy to regrind as 350k of Jedi

Remember PLEASE try to stay on task and try not to flame eachother - someone will disagree with you - agree to disagree. Maybe if we have enough good input we might be stickied (at least for a bit)

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Message Edited by Artisian1 on 09-07-2005 11:32 AM

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Jacella wrote:

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araldi wrote:

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Jacella wrote:

JEDI:

- Do you beleive the BH system currently is effectively stopping the growth of jedi (as intended) ? Not as effective as they should be

- If XP loss was removed would you feel as much "tension" when losing to a BH ? It would marginalize the role of the Bounty Hunter and cause more hatred between the two professions.

- If this occured do you beleive the grind would now be "too easy", "just right", or still "too hard" ? Too easy...of course the current system is too easy. 3 months from padawan to full template is just not long enough.

- Does XP loss now (or even when grinding) make you "show off" less ? I don't show off to begin with, but during my grind, I avoided gaining vis until it was unavoidable.

BOUNTY HUNTER:

- What is the main motivation for hunting player jedi (please be honest) ? Challenge, credits, and creating a real risk to the jedi grinder. I also feel that it was a good training experience for them.

- Do you beleive its fair that jedi are the only profession in the game that loses something upon (BH) death ? Yes. In fact, I want there to be a cloning xp loss aswell. The new system has made gaining a full template so easy, I could do it in my sleep...or even afk.

- If they took away jedi XP loss would you hunt as many jedi as you do now ? No. What would be the point? I can make more credits from loots.

- If XP loss remains do you beleive BHs should be punished for losses or consecutive losses ? We are, with armor being degraded, the cost of droids, meds, buffs, etc. For hunting jedi, it is a losing proposition. I earn more creds against npc's and get loots worth more than a player bounty. Add, on top of that, that 90% of my hunts end with me being defeated, the gain isn't there. Since I face full templates almost every time, even the xp loss they would suffer would be pointless. Unfinished templates need to be hunted more often, and they need to re-establish 2 BH teams.

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You a Jedi ?

You yourself say YOU ARE a BH, and as per what you say (grinding AFK, avoid gaining vis) you don't know what grinding a Jedi is. On the other hand, it's obvious you hate Jedi for some reason when you answer what would be the point to hunt Jedi if they don't lose xp.

So stick to your real profession when answering, or better read SunSpy answer. He really made me think twice about my opinion on this matter, although everyone seems to forget what current LightSabers are, making Jedi not the elite combat profession it was supposed to be. Only Jedi with Pre-CU crystals or pearls are such.

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You, obviously, aren't on my server. I'm a jedi, and a darned good one! I am also a BH, not quite as good

The simple fact is that they have turned the jedi grind into a joke. They reduced the risks to a point that even the lowest level padawan doesn't fear a death. Bh's have given up huntingjedi because only full templates and idiots end up on the terminals, and there is more reward in npc bounties.

My jedi grind was 8 1/2 months, from Padawan to full template...this new system has made jedi an emarrassment.

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The point, Jacella, is that old Jedi seem to blame on new ones for SOE changes, but remember current LS are horrible, so no comparison to old losing xp and so makes sense.

Themain problem to meis that we cannot fight NPCs if we don't want vis. Therefore, I cannot go with my guild friends to a corvette, nor to the DWB, I cannot loot crystals,... Is that the way devs want to reduce the # of Jedi ?

I would be more than happy to keep the xp loss, but taking out NPCs visibility so we can play as "normal" people

You want to play as "normal" people. Thats what your previous choice in profession was. Thats what your ALT is. Jedi is the be all to end all in this game. Its been made so easy and now people who unlock find if harsh. What a joke. Exactley how long have you been a Jedi? If you would like to go with your guidies to dwb ect...take your alt. Pre-cu we had to grind "ALONE" I did not spend anytime with my guidies for months on end. Now you get to grind with them nightly. Only thing you have against you is the current drop of crystals and pearls and that will be fixed.

Quit the crying already...

P.S hey Jace, I agree about the BH teams also. At least a 2 man team if not pure gank groups again. That would put some fear back into Jedi and make it oh so fun again.

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Jacella wrote:

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iskareot wrote:

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Jacella wrote:

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Culex wrote:
XP loss needs to be increased and XP loss on cloning needs to return. Flame away, but jedi XP is too easy these days and XP loss to BHs is quickly shrugged off in a few lairs.

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QFE!!!!

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See this is two ways.. though...

Do you want to see my power increased again??? Do you want me to be much much harder then I am now to take down???

Or wait... do you want ME TO STAY THE SAME, while increasing the Risk with no Reward??

Because this is a easy one for me.... oh too easy.

CU baby-- gotta love that balance word lol.....

Message Edited by iskareot on 09-07-2005 10:55 AM

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Step 1: increase risk and grind time.

Step 2: lobby for an increase in power.

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Message Edited by iskareot on 09-07-2005 12:48 PM

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Saxiff wrote:

You want to play as "normal" people. Thats what your previous choice in profession was. Thats what your ALT is. Jedi is the be all to end all in this game. Its been made so easy and now people who unlock find if harsh. What a joke. Exactley how long have you been a Jedi? If you would like to go with your guidies to dwb ect...take your alt. Pre-cu we had to grind "ALONE" I did not spend anytime with my guidies for months on end. Now you get to grind with them nightly. Only thing you have against you is the current drop of crystals and pearls and that will be fixed.

Quit the crying already...

P.S hey Jace, I agree about the BH teams also. At least a 2 man team if not pure gank groups again. That would put some fear back into Jedi and make it oh so fun again.

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So much for your vaunted "Risk vs Reward"

You want the reward for NO risk at all.

Message Edited by silversaber on 09-07-2005 10:05 AM

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Saxiff wrote:

You want to play as "normal" people. Thats what your previous choice in profession was. Thats what your ALT is. Jedi is the be all to end all in this game. Its been made so easy and now people who unlock find if harsh. What a joke. Exactley how long have you been a Jedi? If you would like to go with your guidies to dwb ect...take your alt. Pre-cu we had to grind "ALONE" I did not spend anytime with my guidies for months on end. Now you get to grind with them nightly. Only thing you have against you is the current drop of crystals and pearls and that will be fixed.

Quit the crying already...

P.S hey Jace, I agree about the BH teams also. At least a 2 man team if not pure gank groups again. That would put some fear back into Jedi and make it oh so fun again.

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araldi wrote:

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Saxiff wrote:

You want to play as "normal" people. Thats what your previous choice in profession was. Thats what your ALT is. Jedi is the be all to end all in this game. Its been made so easy and now people who unlock find if harsh. What a joke. Exactley how long have you been a Jedi? If you would like to go with your guidies to dwb ect...take your alt. Pre-cu we had to grind "ALONE" I did not spend anytime with my guidies for months on end. Now you get to grind with them nightly. Only thing you have against you is the current drop of crystals and pearls and that will be fixed.

Quit the crying already...

P.S hey Jace, I agree about the BH teams also. At least a 2 man team if not pure gank groups again. That would put some fear back into Jedi and make it oh so fun again.

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Exactly what I said, old Jedi blaming on new ones.

I have spent two years helping my friends, being a MCM when no one wanted to because it was only useful in groups. Now MCM is one of the best professions, many respec'd to without never having had to grind the endless crafting sessions, but I never "cried" as you're really doing here, not me.

You'd like to see us, 2 year "newbies", keeping silence to keep on old Jedi being uber, just because you think only you deserve the right to be a Jedi due to your long grinding. You preferred to go alone, that was your choice too. You have your reward, a very good LS if you took care on time to loot pearls and crystals (you seem to know what you talk about, so I guess you did) that we never will be able even to dream of.

But, believe it or not, I understand you, as we both know SOE's proceedings and also know that any change from them is only to nerf Jedi a bit more, and sooner or later you'll be next.

For the same reason, my friend, I never believed a word about those supposed pearls and crystals fixing.

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silversaber wrote:

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Saxiff wrote:

You want to play as "normal" people. Thats what your previous choice in profession was. Thats what your ALT is. Jedi is the be all to end all in this game. Its been made so easy and now people who unlock find if harsh. What a joke. Exactley how long have you been a Jedi? If you would like to go with your guidies to dwb ect...take your alt. Pre-cu we had to grind "ALONE" I did not spend anytime with my guidies for months on end. Now you get to grind with them nightly. Only thing you have against you is the current drop of crystals and pearls and that will be fixed.

Quit the crying already...

P.S hey Jace, I agree about the BH teams also. At least a 2 man team if not pure gank groups again. That would put some fear back into Jedi and make it oh so fun again.

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So much for your vaunted "Risk vs Reward"

You want the reward for NO risk at all.

Message Edited by silversaber on 09-07-2005 10:05 AM

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Subie_Smith wrote:

The only way that BH missions and XP loss could be justified would be if a MBH template were to cost 400 million XP instead of 12 and they lost the same amount of XP from failing or aborting a mission. Otherwise it's just blatant SOE sanctioned griefing to appease all of the little nerf-babies who are jealous of Jedi.

Until we admit that there is no 'Discussion'... just a bunch of people lying to each other.

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Message Edited by GinazResser on 09-07-2005 03:57 PM

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Dakrek wrote:

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BladeOConner wrote:
i Beleive xp loss should be there but instead of going negative loose till 0 then maybe have to loose skills no negative at all you choose your loss of skill

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TBH I'd rather have negative xp than loose all my skills. Say Jedi X was a fullly templated Jedi. X gets loads of vis by engaging in the higher end quests and looking for the higher end loot where there are NPCs (and mostly by fighting NPCs). BHs come after X and he dies. Scenario 1 (xp loss) After tonnes of dying he goes to a max of -10mill xp. Well at least he has a full template to either grind out of the hole/just ignore it because he doesnt need the xp anyway (providing he doesn't want to switch templates.) Scenario 2 however (skill loss). Ater dying over and over (just as he did in the first scenario) he end up with CL 55, Nov Lightsaber and all of his beloved specials are gone (for example). He is then forced to regrind his template, rather than just ignore the negative xp and skip of into the sunset.

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