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Thread: Worth to remember: Real reason why some older Jedi make up rumours
1, 2 and 3 - Let's stipulate these as truth - But they do NOT drop More Pearls, they drop more general Loot. On our last hunt, 10 krays killed yielded
- 1 Pearl
- 3 Empty
- 2AS components
- 4 Krayt tissues.
The best tissue by the way was a stack of 4 +187 damage. The pearl tuned to +49 0.1 -1.
The Tissues were MUCH better.
Message Edited by Thassk on 09-03-2005 07:32 AM
Thassk wrote:
1, 2 and 3 - Let's stipulate these as truth - But they do NOT drop More Pearls, they drop more general Loot. On our last hunt, 10 krays killed yielded
- 1 Pearl
- 3 Empty
- 2AS components
- 4 Krayt tissues.
The best tissue by the way was a stack of 4 +187 damage. The pearl tuned to +49 0.1 -1.
The Tissues were MUCH better.
well you obviously dont know what your doing then ... because if ya did .. you could get at least 5 pearls per every 15 kills easy 1 in 3 dragons will drop if you know what your doing .. my only hint to you ... group size ...
Thassk wrote:
P__Day wrote:
Killing full templates is pretty easy, just get 8100 recon, a capped weapon (i myself use a damage/sac capped bowcaster with a damage powerup 700 - 1300 damage, 82 sac, 2.49 speed) get the armor break slices, cm healing and ruby bliel and stims and just tank a jedi with duelist stance on untill he runs out of force.
Thassk wrote:
LOL .. from a jedi knight lol ...sure kid sure ..
its possible no doubt .. but 40 minute battles are not "easy" ... what is " easy" is for you to come here ( as a jedi) and say its easy .. thaaats easy ....
I have a m.bh to, actually i have 2 of them a 40 minute battle is easy but then if you dont s*ck you can drain a forcebar in 20 minutes and thats with the jedi using a holocron.
With damage powerups i hit m.def and def/force armor hybrids for 600+ each hit with ranged shot and i force them to use force to heal and the force armor to drain, on the same when i get rooted i just put up duelist stance and perhaps take synthsteak to outlast the root before knocking them down while thye have low action and keep pounding on them.
Best tactic though is to catch them off guard with no aura and snipershot or something like that. a full temp jedi is nothing compared to a prepared bh.
Theese claims that you can get a good tune from a non-premium... I label them as wild rumours and urban legends.
BukuJohnson wrote:
MsNil you have always approched your "Forum Crusades" with a little too much "Drama" for my personal taste, but I respect the time and testing you put into your posts. However of late you have kept the "Drama" method and dropped all of the "Time and Testing" in your posts.
I have read too many posts, and spoken to too many people saying that they have had very nice tunes of good crystals and pearls since the CU to buy in to your defeatist attitude.
Tiggs has already said that there will be premiums again. The change is coming whether you post or not. Rather than trying to minimalize the efforts of the older Jedi, or worse yet crusading a nerf to the over all power of the Jedi profession, you need to get out there and loot these components and stop wasting time here making false accusations over older Jedi fearing the newer ones.
No I did not Ebay. I mastered 30 professions ATK (musician was afk), I earned 37 million Jedi XP pre CU, and 13 mil Jedi xp Post CU for template changes. I also killed thousands of dragons and tuned nearly 500 crystals and pearsl.
If anyone is being lazy about improving their Jedi it is you. How many dragons could you have killed in the time you have spent trolling this forum with your wild accusations?
well you obviously dont know what your doing then ... because if ya did .. you could get at least 5 pearls per every 15 kills easy 1 in 3 dragons will drop if you know what your doing .. my only hint to you ... group size ...
Y'know, you're right - I obviously don't know what I'm doing, since I haven't bothered to find a "magic number" that increases Pearl drops.
I just play the game to have fun - Not to go all out to find ways to get what I want and/or need.
Message Edited by Thassk on 09-03-2005 06:46 AM
And I don't know about your server but on Bria krayts arean endangered specie.Driving around for hours and not seeing anything but the non-loot droping Grands and Adolesence. The occasional Juvi/Canyon pair very reminicent of krayt hunting Pre-Cu. Yet the pearl drop rate is way worse and the quaility is just as bad.
Thassk wrote:
i do have armor break caps 75%.. and no i cant heal away i do have mind costs .. my PVP rating by hunting jedi aloneis 1400 and was very hard to work for...im a post pub 20 BH for the most part ...... but i also run a bounty hunter guild with 80 members ... so i have first hand knowledge of the ratio between which can beat a full temp and which cannot .. and let me tell you the sucessfull hunters are way below 50% ...and within their hunting they only seem to win 50% of the time if that ...
I had no problem healing away damage, perhaps your template needs sorting. First hand knowledge of amateur BHs with mediocre gear right? With the right gear a BH has no problems with a jedi.This *I* have witnessed first hand and that is my point. Every other profession can have more availible top notch equipment, while jedi get stuck with a horrible tuning system, that has a direct effect on thier weapon stats. They have to have X amount of skill points into thier profession to be able to make thier sabers, While regular professions go kill this, loot that, bring it to a weaponsmith, and have thier uber weapon. Jedi have to go kill this, loot that, pray for a nice tune in a terrible system, and repeat that at least 4 times, but more likely 1000 times to have an effective weapon.
if BH were easier i suspect you would have kept it ...
Like I had said, I never hunted Jedi, only dueled them on and off. I was only in it for the loot(boy youfolks have it made), but that got old fast so I went to something I had fun with.
but im not making a "nerf jedi post" im really not i have never done that .. this is in regards to pearls ...i suspect your take is to let them drop .. my take is to make them all post CU ...
You're making "Keep jedi nerfed" posts
but lets entertain your vision for a second .. if letting the PRE CU pearl values drop as they once did was feasable why havent the devs allowed it? do you honestly think jedi can run around with perfect sabers and that they wont get nerfed if they do?
They haven't nerfed your super guns with super accuracy super speed and super action costs.In fact as of late they made it way easier for you to have those super guns. It's our and other melee professions turn to make our weapon enhancers better, and more availible.
my point about hunting jedi being hard wasnt to accent a nerf request .. im just saying ... i think things are balanced right now ... if more jedi had perfect sabers i honestly think youd be looking at possible nerfs again ... and i think thats the MAIN REASON they were turned off .. in fACT .. TIGGS states that as trhe main reason they were turned off
Well I disagree completely, I think things are stacked way to much in favor of the Ranged Professions. Ranged Arms, Armor Break Resistant Armor, Amazing weapon Enhancers, Roots.You guys have everything you need. While the melee classes get the shaft.
No the main reason that premiums don't drop is becauseof the combat level of the krayts. They used to be what 280ish, so they lowered it but didn't adjust the loot tables. They didn't do it to chokeoff a Jedi's ability to have an effective weapon, they did it you make that content more assesable to the masses. If they did it to keep jedi from having a decent weapon , they wouldn't be looking into a new way to implement them. They're response would have been more like "Sorry but these pearl drops have been deamed unbalancing and will not be re-implemented back into the game."
Message Edited by Thassk on 09-03-2005 06:00 AM
Message Edited by Tao-Te-Ching on 09-03-2005 09:49 AM
MsNiL wrote:
Do you honestly believe there's veteran Jedi who believe a "Good" pearl can get a perfect tune?
I do not believe they are THAT noobish. Pre-CU you had to run through maybe 20-30 PREMIUMS to get a good saber, and the first thing I learned was that even Quality pearls where not worth the inventory space, so people made their alt's into krayt/nightsisterkillers and farmed premiums/flawlesslike crazy.Come on, everybody know this.
There's a real reason they dont want the rest to have access to what they have.
Fear...
A lack of trust in their own capabilities.
When they lose their better-equipment handicap all their comments about them being a "skilled pvp player" would be handed to them by players who really have the skill.
They do not know if it's thanks to them or their saber they win fights, so they know thatif everybody player have an equal chance, they fear they will start to lose... alot... and quickly drop back into being a nobody. And that can drive many players to sacrifice their credibility as an old-timer and make absurd claims like "Sure you can tune a good tune with a Good pearl" on the forum (which is like saying things like "Sure there are force-boosting food" or "My friend saw this holorecording and died after 7 days" or make up other kinds of insane urban legends that speak directly against all knowledge, the official F.A.Q's, and all common sense).
Also many of theese players know they have a golden ticket to the top right now, and they want that free ride once the FRS is re-enabled.
Many of theese players have taken every advantage they ever could to reach the top, and you better believe it, everything to using the best and most extreme grindtactics and flightclubs. And now they are accusing everybody else, becouse somewhere inside they feel ashamed.
Do anybody actually believe someone can grind a Jedi in 2 weeks? Are you REALLY that stupid to believe that crap? Or are you just trying to convince yourself that you are better becouse all the shortcuts you took was "better" and more "honorable"?
I have always said the best way to cut down the Jedi population is to look for Selfish posts on the forum. A true Jedi should not be selfish or greedy. Boot thoose and we improve our genepool, erase alot of childish attitudes and also improve our reputation amongst non-jedi.
And it also cut short some urban legends that dumbs down the community.
Anyway: Next time you see someone claiming "I have a perfect saber, go tune "good" ones", remember that he will be the first one put against the wall when the premiums start to drop again - and they know it.
Message Edited by MsNiL on 09-03-2005 02:05 PM
MsNIL for president. =D
Thassk wrote:
Usama wrote:
Thassk wrote:
Well I guess we will have to agree that we disagree. Becausepre-cu weapons did not convert as well as the weapons that can be crafted today. Hell, why bother with krayt tissues when 170-180+ Power Cells are dropping from BH missions. How many of your Pre-cu Scatter pistols converted 948 Max Damage / 67 SAC / 1.9 speedwith a 62 accuracy Bonus? Then throw a Power up on it and have it sliced. How can some new Jedi with a 550 max Saber with 30+ fc compete with that??
you find me ONE .. ONE pistol being sold on the trade forums with such a rating .. and i will agree that they are as common as PRE CU sabers .. until you do ... theres is NO WAY you can say those weapons are ready available.. those are extremely rare .. i know i was a master pistoleer for a long time
and even with a pistol like that you wont hit a jedi for more than 400 and will still miss 25% of your hits
yes well it sold for 6 mill ... and on our server those are a lot rarer ... i suspect this was the only one around for a long time ..this post itself is a month old ...but ill concede the fact you found one ... hehe
but they are still a lot rarer then perfect sabers ... and still do less damage ... ( 948 is cap btw)
Message Edited by Thassk on 09-03-2005 06:26 AM
Capping weapon xp 124 times may sound easy to some, but it took alot of time. I sacrificed alot of my real-life to do it, wounds that I have started to repair first now.
gera wrote:
Well, some might, I grinded 22 proffessions in 5 months. But after post-publish 9, you dont need 3rd party programs at all, you don't need to focus on proffessions, loose your favorite proffession and de-socialise because you are in middle of a weird template that you can't join hunts or parties. You didnt need to sacrifice post-Publish 9. You spend tons of money just to get resources and all..
I would rather like to meet a Jedi who made that muchproffessions in 2 weeks.However, what you are here prooving MsNil is the hate between generations is not one-sided... I was telling about "template completing" in 3-4 weeks. Not unlocking. Now you felt offended because even you thinking "new jedi getting it easier THAN you" and counter striked.
See what I mean?
Balance yourself first before trying to balance others opinions.
yea im a new jedi(2-3weeks into the grind)
and all this talk in this thread about ""Oh if i had known that premies/flawless would be gone i woulda...."""
gimme a break. no one can see the future you dont know whats coming.
i DO have to say i /agree with the OP 100% in that the Jedi that DO have those are holding on to thier glory with a deathgrip. In my short time as a jedi not have i seen 1 ""Oldtimer(pre-cu) helping new jedi. well...thats not true either
/salute Emrick Starstrider
he has help me directly along with my fellow guild leader
so whats the point of this post.
this...Buck up and take your stands as Older jedi. Stop screwing the new guys and help them we are all in this profession togetherfor one reason or another. It shouldnt matter, most of the jedi i see dont act like jedi. just my PoV.
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I think that one of the biggest disconnects in this whole "good" vs "premium" argument is the assumption that Premiums always tuned well.
I have tuned around 500 crystals and pearls in my time as a Jedi. Of those I would say half were premiums. Of those 250 premiums I would say that only 10% of them tuned to at or above +100 dmg, -8 FC and -.20spd. Of the Quality rated pearls/crystals I would say 5% tuned with those stats. Of the Good/Fair/Poor it would probably be more like 1%.
The Premiums took 10 X longer to acquire than the others, so if you chose to hunt for Good/Fair/Poor pearls/crystals you would have acquired 10 X as many of them than you did of the Premiums. With these numbers it is easy to see that over all the time/reward for a "Premium" vs a "Good" is the same.
The truth is that even if premiums were dropping today most people would not want to put in the effort to acquire 250 of them to make a perfect saber. This is evidenced by their current lack of desire to acquire hundreds of "good" crystals that drop like flies in todays game to achieve the same perfect saber.
Buku
Naritus
I base that on my pre-cu average of 1 good tune per 5.
Llazarus wrote:
Good post, except or 1 thing. 20-30 premiums for a good saber? LOL, you need around 50-100 to get a good. Maybe 200 to get a perfect.