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Thread: ***The Jedi Guardians Template: MLS / 4000 Healer / 4440 Defender / 3002 Enhancer***

LIKspiker
Sun Jul 17, 2005 11:54 pm
#66







Azel_Stormfox22333 wrote:
The template works exsept master ls healer 4/0/0/0 enhancer 3/4/0/2 def 4/0/4/0 is much beter. Only downsite in this one realy is the loss of fr2





I also originally made this post before force armor got its fix. I've been thinking about dropping the ranged defense line in defender and picking up x4xx enhancer, still not sure yet. I still like having my armor always on and not having to toggle it, also im hearing that FA still takesa chunk of force to maintain especially in PvE, despite its fixes.


TC-Corbantis is supposed to be testing patch 20, but corbantis hasnt been transferred to TC yet, and Im still hoping it does. I really want to change out my skills and pick up FA for some testing, and see how it goes.

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LIKspiker
Sun Jul 17, 2005 11:56 pm
#67







Adefo-Oami wrote:

I'm just starting out in jedi, but I think that MLS/heal 4100/enh 4404/def 0040 is the best possible temp.





Seems like a nice temp. Little too dependent on FA for my tastes, but again..thats my tastes

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Bennyboy4308
Mon Jul 18, 2005 1:00 am
#68

I have this exact template and it works great, but I'm thinking, why not go MLS/Enh 3402/Def 0044/Healer 4000. With FA2 you still have the same mitigation you had before, plus valor which from what I understand helps ALOT against ranged. Dunno if the difference is worth a token though.



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BHM
Mon Jul 18, 2005 1:06 am
#69


This template (MLS/4000Heal/4440Def/3002Enh) is the FOTM, in my opinion.


It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out why..


This template is virtually unstoppable in duels, if you have a good LS you can even kill MLS/MDef quiteeasily.


Maybe I'd sacrifice x4xx Defender to get Force Armor 2 tho, but I haven't done the maths so I dunno if it is really helpful when you have all that innate armor.


That being said, I'll stick to my MPowers template and avoid the guys with such a duelist template at all costs



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OryxHoth
Mon Jul 18, 2005 11:20 am
#70

My template is close: MLS, 0044 defender, 3402 enhance, 4000 heal.


Opted for force armor over another defender line, plus force valor (not everyone that attacks you will be a jedi or melee).


Agreed, if things get hairy you don't have a good retreat option, but if you have more than 2 attackers on you, you're probably going to get it, regardless.





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DarthMullet111
Mon Jul 18, 2005 1:35 pm
#71

I've had a few variations of this template. First was with 2003 enhancer, for drain. Decided to go with the force speed instead and switched to 3002. Just recently I switched, dropped defender to 4040, and enhancer to 3402. With this change, I keep aura for good defense. I lose a little innate armor by dropping the ranged line, but with force armor gain more then twice as much back in return. With the recent changes to force armor (ie lowered force cost, improved effectivness), if you had planned on taking 4440 defender, i would seriously consider 4040, or 0440, + force armor. Did a little testing and look less damage, about 90 - 180 points less per hiton average... against both ranged and melee.



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MajorXP
Mon Jul 18, 2005 1:36 pm
#72



jedifreezy wrote:


MajorXP wrote:


Arkadya wrote:

I really like this template but I prefer : MLS, enhancer 3402, defender 4040, healer 4000

Cause with innate armor from defender and Improved Force Armor, I have more damage mitigation than a mDef

This particular template is a must : damage dealing (MLS), crowd control (enhancer root and snare), healing and tanking (84 innate armor with force armor on)







Yes, but isn't force armor useless vs other Jedi?





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Just about...Against the guys that rely on force armor, i just armor break, and that takes away over 90% of force armor's effect, plus they still lose the force from being hit.







I guess I wasn't clear on what I ment.

I thought that Force Armor only worked on non force attacks.... Has that changed?




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Valkryn
Mon Jul 18, 2005 1:44 pm
#73






LIKspiker wrote:



I also originally made this post before force armor got its fix. I've been thinking about dropping the ranged defense line in defender and picking up x4xx enhancer, still not sure yet. I still like having my armor always on and not having to toggle it, also im hearing that FA still takesa chunk of force to maintain especially in PvE, despite its fixes.


TC-Corbantis is supposed to be testing patch 20, but corbantis hasnt been transferred to TC yet, and Im still hoping it does. I really want to change out my skills and pick up FA for some testing, and see how it goes.

Message Edited by LIKspiker on 07-18-2005 01:55 AM




100% correct about the force drain of FA2. FA2 got some love in the last patch I believe, doubt it will get more. Anyway PVE the drain is horrible. I tanked Necrosis and had 50 Force after he was dead. Which is why I changed back to MD. Just couldnt handle the stranglehold that FA2 did to my force pool.


Arkadya
Mon Jul 18, 2005 1:45 pm
#74











I guess I wasn't clear on what I ment.

I thought that Force Armor only worked on non force attacks.... Has that changed?






With the template I described, I also have Force Shield (damage mitigation), Improved Force Feedback (reflectdamage)and Improved Force Absorbed (absorb incoming damage and transfer to force pool)... So this template is actually more effective against jedi powers than regular damages !
Arkadya
Mon Jul 18, 2005 1:50 pm
#75






jedifreezy wrote:






MajorXP wrote:





Arkadya wrote:

I really like this template but I prefer : MLS, enhancer 3402, defender 4040, healer 4000


Cause with innate armor from defender and Improved Force Armor, I have more damage mitigation than a mDef


This particular template is a must : damage dealing (MLS), crowd control (enhancer root and snare), healing and tanking (84 innate armor with force armor on)










Yes, but isn't force armor useless vs other Jedi?





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Just about...Against the guys that rely on force armor, i just armor break, and that takes away over 90% of force armor's effect, plus they still lose the force from being hit.










Still better than getting hit with armor break without force armor ! Of course it's force consuming... Well I'm more worried about my mind and action in PvP than my force pool.


I prefer having def 4040 andenhancer x4xxthan mDef ! I used to be mDef, LS 0404, enhancer 4004, healer 4100... Then I respecced to MLS, defender 4440, healer 4100, enhancer 0004. Now I found the template I love the most, it's my own personal FotM (except I hope it'll last more than a mounth).

Arkadya
Mon Jul 18, 2005 1:54 pm
#76






Bart_ski wrote:

Whats wrong with MDefender? My template is going to be Mdefender , LS 0404 Healing 4000 and Enhnace 4004. Is this a good template? I want to be able to do damage and take it as well.




I used to have this template... I didn't like it cause I was really tired about the LS accuracy I had ! Also I only used FR2 to avoid calling a speeder when I had to travel for 1km. I never used AI and force valor. Of course you can tank like crazy with this !
Randd
Mon Jul 18, 2005 2:38 pm
#77

A couple of weeks ago i completed my template of Mls 4240 defender 4003 enhancer and 4000 healer. I spent about a week testing it out. It was an all around good template for both pvp and pve. Must have tried soloing necrosis 20 times with it, never won but came very close many times, I could solo kryats and an elder with 2 spellweavers at once easy enough. THen the fuss came out over the new Force Armor. So i figured what the heck, the knight trials aren't ready yet, and alot of people i know are still grinding away so i changed to include force armor. Mls 4040 def, 3402 enhancer, 4000 healer. Nowa respec bh or two shows up i throw up FA ,Aura and infusion, i'm pretty unbeatable. Now get into a fight with a single or group of guys that know what they are doing orpvping with running battles and litlle pauses or soloing something that hits as hard as necro it's a totally different story. I'm regrinding to get back my original template or the one listed here. My alt only has novice cm, with a +19 healing undershirt and healing foods i can outheal the jedi heals, which means we aren't taking down anyone that has a clue easy. In the end force is going to keep us alive,(well that and the dang mind cost). If i'm beaten i want it to be cause the other guy is better, not cause i run out of force. So imo go with the natural initiate rather that the one tapped from the force. But again this is my 2 cents.




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alpinestreams
Mon Jul 18, 2005 2:53 pm
#78

Dude ... Celerity 3 AND MLS? ... Even if the skill tree speed mods actually worked ... have you seen the chart? ... talk about diminishing returns.




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