Jedi Archive
Thread: More info on Jedi Visibility...
MasterHunter2003
Tue Sep 21, 2004 10:02 pm
#66
I think that system sounds fine with lower jedi losing less xp than higher level jedi. But, I still say time and time again whether you kill the BH or die from the BH it should give you a one day break from the terms or something. There must a be a time limit!
cknoos
Tue Sep 21, 2004 10:15 pm
#67
Wow.
JustG, or whatever your name is, did you sit down, think about this and thought to yourself, "yea, this is a system that will be fun for everyone involved!"? I mean, come on, this SUCKS.
Can I have the option on my character to -never- PvP, a permanent flag taht goes both ways? I hate PvPing, why does my having a Jedi force me to do this? Bah, I'm not even coherent because I'm so mad, well, not mad. Disapointed. In you, in SOE, in the game. Thanks for a whole lot of nothing, smooth move.
JustG, or whatever your name is, did you sit down, think about this and thought to yourself, "yea, this is a system that will be fun for everyone involved!"? I mean, come on, this SUCKS.
Can I have the option on my character to -never- PvP, a permanent flag taht goes both ways? I hate PvPing, why does my having a Jedi force me to do this? Bah, I'm not even coherent because I'm so mad, well, not mad. Disapointed. In you, in SOE, in the game. Thanks for a whole lot of nothing, smooth move.
Message Edited by cknoos on 09-22-2004 01:16 AM
Cubsfan22
Tue Sep 21, 2004 10:19 pm
#68
ok, this is plain out STUPID. I have 6 characters and I always hunt with one of them...my doc. ALWAYS. We are both rebels and since I am hunting with my own character, I am telling on myself. This is a war and Operational Security is an absolute MUST. But it seems that every single freaking toon in this game is a spy for the empire.....and telling them where all the jedi are. You people came up with this system? I mean, since day one it is all about how UBER the jedi are or going to be and yet every single patch since day one (with the exception of the one that removed permadeath) was a huge NERF and kick to the nuts of us Jedi. Here is SOE's replay of Jedi History:
Congrats player on your ability to grind out professions. As a reward for your hard work, here is an UBER Jedi and yes you can wear armor. You are going to need it though, your lightsaber is a glowy baseball bat.
Hey Mr. Jedi, we are going to take your armor away as well as the metal crotch cup you are wearing, take away your baseball bat and give you a real lightsaber and nothing will be able to block it...(P.S. we are reducing the damage by 3 and you are going to go out and kill many many things for crappy crystals/pearls. And the premium ones that are the pick of the litter, are going to suck too.)
Hey Mr. Jedi, sorry to bother you again while you are out there in the wilderness with your fellow (same faction) friends, but we see that you like to run around too much. People are getting mad. So we are going to let you keep running around if you want, but if you do, you will not be able to use your lightsaber....You might as well just insult him until they die...about as good as that glowstick. Oh yeah, since there are only 3 Knights on your server and you seem to like picking on your fellow guildmates and overt PvPing TKs and such, we are taking away the FRS XP you got for the non-jedi and only allowing you to get it off Ranked Jedi....Good Luck getting to that 1st box with only 2 jedi to kill to get there.
Hey, jedi-dude....guess what? It is me again...we are not going to do anything to help you out again...we just dropped by to let you know that you will continue to suck in PvP and to make it even more fun, we are going to increase the rewards the BH get for ganking you with his entire guild and when you die, you will lose a mountains worth of XP. If you kill the BH, you only get to lose your TEF. Thanks for playing. Oh by the way, I see that you are no longer running around anymore...........You dropped that skill? So you have to grind another 6 million XP to go a different route? Well, look at it this way, you get to spend more times in the geo lab, which raises you visibility and then you get hunted more......see, this system is great (mumbles: for the non-jedi).
Hey again, it is me? What? you are someone different? How is that? eBay? You bought this character on eBay? Why would anyone do that? The last owner said this game is getting real crappy and sold it? Hmm I wonder why? Anyway, I hate to tell you this, but we have to nerf you again. This time we are going to ................
DeathBahamutXXX
Tue Sep 21, 2004 10:44 pm
#69
I can understand certain aspects of the visibility. But mokks and NS gaining visibility is kinda weird. Also does this mean ewoks will gain you visibility too? But I can live with that. The things I would change/add would be the following. Half the visiblity you gain from guild members in relation to the numbers used. So if your guildee is the same faction only 1/8 from them, neutral 1/4, and opposite 1/2. I would make it so the lightsabers could be equiped and not visible till in combat or using FS powers so that you still get defense from being atttackedOR make it so that if you have NO weapon equiped and a BH attacks theLS auto equips itself and you dont lose your defense. And I believe you should not gain visibility from your ingame union/husband/wife and from same faction jedi. The last is what I personally want to see most. Also what about neutral jedi? Where do they fit in with visibility penalty?
dodz
Tue Sep 21, 2004 10:46 pm
#70
Ilatzimep wrote:
Very Interesting idea. I'm going to have to agree with you on all except the increase in the time on the terms. I'm not so sure I'd want it to be a 2x modifier. Perhaps, a 1.5 modifier. 8 days being on the terms is a long time. What would you do if the Jedi was to kill multiple BHs within this time?
dodz wrote:
Make it so master bh can only take jedi missions
Make it so once they take the mission they cant group with others or cant take jedi missions if there grouped.
Make it so all visability goes away if the jedi dies.
If jedi kills the bh increase there time on the boards times 2.
Fix the issue with people not dropping off the terms.
Change the payout system (i.e jedi with 50 or fewer skill points = 25k, 50-100 skill points = 50k, jedi with 100-150 points = 100k, 150-200 points =200k, 200+ points 400k)
Also with this payout system incorporate a bh visability to the jedi, so the higher they are the more likely they sense the bh coming
well if you kill multiple bh then your probably looking for a fight or to the point where you can handle yourself pretty darn good
Ash057
Tue Sep 21, 2004 11:41 pm
#72
FlyingElmo wrote:
You know, this is the whole reason why people are upset.
This is what the patch notes said:
Jedi should now be able to completely clear their visibility after 3 weeks if they don't do anything else to increase it during this time. Visibility is gained when drawing your lightsaber or using force powers for each NPC or non allied PC within range.
And this is how it actually is:
"Equipping a lightsaber, starting combat with a lightsaber and every Jedi action (powers and lightsaber specials) all have a visibility modifier. Each PC or NPC (non-animal)that observes a Jedi performing one of those actions based on their faction will increase the Jedi's visibility. An opposed faction member will increase visibility by the full amount, an allied faction member will increase it by 1/4 the amount and any neutral will increase it by 1/2 the amount."
This is why people saySOEis lying. Your postscompletely contradict each other. Take this one for exampe: You say non-allied PCs will generate visibility, implying that allied PCs wont. But then you backpedal and say that allied PCs will give you visibility as well. Basically, this shows that you don't have your act together.
BE PROFESSIONAL AND WRITE NON-VAGUE POSTS THE FIRST TIME INSTEAD OF MISLEADING THE PLAYER BASE THROUGH ILL-WORDED STATEMENTS.
YES, these fools got me on the terms today. I have been very carefull until today, and finally went hunting with guild members. I appeared on the terms soon after.Releasing false patch notes should have the terms and visability reset and have the patch notes reflect the corrected info.
Menou
Tue Sep 21, 2004 11:58 pm
#73
JustG wrote:
The path of the Jedi towards obtaining mastery of the Force is long and arduous, but with great rewards for those who overcome such a challenge. However, even the surest foot may stumble along this path, and for such missteps there are great consequences.
Ok JustG.. heres my challenge to you.... as a paying customer PROVE to me jedi rewards are worth the risk... you make any jedi template you want... give it say frs rank 1 ... now take a player that is a well played stacker .. lets say master tk/fence/brawler... theres better but lets work with that one... heres my prediction.. you will get SMOKED. now tell me how a template that can be grinded in 3 days that can smoke a jedi knight? ... now tell me the rewards that you speak of? there is no risk vs reward.. you speak of this alot but we dont see you putting corpse runs back intothe game... i could careless if you did .. i did them for 5 years in EQ .. 1 more game aint gonna kill me.... you explain to me a paying customer how the exp loss for jedi is risk enough for the reward to be beaten by somoene who spent 3 days grinding over my 6 weeks+.
visibility.. explain to me how in the middle of dathomir with no one not even an npc within 256m that doing anything jedi related gets me visibility.. so your saying i do nothing for 3 weeks i login off temrs.. equip saber in a priv house .. later ill be on terms?
Pixtaker
Wed Sep 22, 2004 1:03 am
#74
I see a lot of people saying that this system sucks and I really don't think that's fair...
It's not fair todegrade things that are actually good enough to say they suck by lumping this worthless, POS system in with them.
Using your lightsaber/force powers in the wilderness should generate 0 visibility.
Using your lightsaber/force powers in front of PC of the same faction should generate 0 visibility.
Using your lightsaber/force powers in front of fellow guild members or (faction aligned) group members should generate 0 visibility.
Using your lightsaber/force powers in front of (or using them to kill) primitive NPCs (Janta, Mokk, Ewok, etc) Should generate 0 visibility.
Visibility should decay within a matter of days...not WEEKS. To tell players not to play for 3 weeks is asinine.
Bounty hunters should not be able to exploit the GTEF to form gank squads against Jedi. You want to be a big, bad BH and kill Jedi? Do it yourself, BY yourself. You have enough skill points to stack some melee on us.
Jedi should lose XP for losing to a BH OR when they clone. Not both...at least not in the numbers being reported today.
No this system doesn't suck. Getting your johnson caught in your zipper sucks. This system is f'n painful.
Morwen
Wed Sep 22, 2004 1:10 am
#75
Increasing the death penalties todiscourage jedi will be as effective as adding silent professions was todiscourage the hologrind. In the end, it will be just as destructive. No longer are Jedi a second character slot, it's the players' mains that are being penalized. That changes things considerably. If you get on the terminals or the grind gets annoying you can just shelve that jedi character for a while and just play your main... er, wait. No, you can't. Anyone else hear that train rumbling along on its track?
ArcadiusPryde
Wed Sep 22, 2004 1:11 am
#76
In other words...welcome to Catch-22
You have to have a saber equiped to survive getting jumped by a Bounty Hunter but doing so get you on the terminals.
Jedi take all the risk Xp loss...Bounty Hunters get all the reward...
I just want to point out JustG that the terminal system is flawed...and so is this new system. Theres nothing stopping a Hunter from coming after me...heck he wins he gets the reward...loses no big deal to him. There needs to be a counter weight on this to make the Hunter reconsider taking on a Jedi Knight
-Arc
_Fallen_Jedi
Wed Sep 22, 2004 1:13 am
#77
Oh and BTW, Haden Blackman said something a while back in an interview about the players who are playing the gameare the only one's happy and not posting/viewing in the forums (maybe someone can put a direct quotation again)...then WTH are we... Those players are most likely the one's uninformed on what's going on and in SWG hence they are "happy" I do hear around this saying that "ignorance is a bliss" , and that "knowledge is power" , we strive for knowledge, want to know the why's, hence we are in the forums posting, and with the misinformed feedback like the one written in the new patch updates it just leaves much to say...btw i'm not trolling and or trying to make a revolt 
I'm just presenting my opinions and my point of view. It's true I haven't posted a lot but hell, I've always been here in the forums reading and after that playing SWG. 
I'm just presenting my opinions and my point of view. It's true I haven't posted a lot but hell, I've always been here in the forums reading and after that playing SWG.
queencorsa
Wed Sep 22, 2004 1:14 am
#78
Private message I sent to JustG
Why is it that after a year of peope playing this game. the answer is to screw them over? Why don't you all just remove jedi's since your all so detirmed to get rid of them. and your post is a lie... Just using your lightsaber for more then an hour will put you on the BH terms.. But we all know if you told the truth then you'd be out of a job becuase most people who quit.. Funny I never thought that this saying was true but if someone likes your game they will tell2 people to get it. If they don't they will tell 10.
P.S where do I send off for my free tube of vasoline
P.S where do I send off for my free tube of vasoline
Yeah Boot me from this game. Come on suspend my account.
I can not belive I spend 15 bucks a month to get lie too....
All professions SUCK! THIS GAME SUCKS. SOE SUCKS SLURP SLUP LUCAS ARTS UBER SUCKS.
In the order Proffesions suck
1.Jedi
2.Merchant uber sucks
3.Bounty Hunters Sucks... So nice they can stalk newbie jedi's butwhen a jedigets goodthe BHthere butt handed to them by ranked jedi's.. Unless within a group....
What else blows in this game... Oh CRS are f%$^ing pointless. Sorry can't help Sorry can't say.. Sorry Sorry Sorry.... well that about right this game is sorry....
the BH group killing is BS
The clone campers and shine campers is BS
Excuse me... But. in whatbook or movie does a jedi get stalked by a Bounty Hunter?
Han was a smuggler who was being chased by one for jaba.. Darth Vader handed him over.... A jedi help a Bounty Hunter... No Way. and get this the BH was alone when he picked him up...
Again Who the hell is Jango kicking it with? Anyone care to answer? Hmm couldn't be a jedi could it... Umm one else watch the Clone wars.. anyone see the part Where Jango killed the Jedi for trying to kill Dooku( A jedi?).....
How come fraction Jedi's can't go hunt other jedi's why is it only locked to Bounty Hunter's.....
And futher more anyone @ SOE who thinks they are doing a good job need to get a good hard kick in the nuts..
It kills me to read patch notes.... Fixed some typos in npc in the village.... still haven't fixed pet / creautres warping away have you..
I would like to find people to buyout the rights to this game and 1st fix and 2nd off all " MAKE IT STARWARS"
please.. JTL is a patch. excuse me but if you never paid attention but it's called "STARWARS" not "LANDWARS" that should have already been included in it... but after playing it on beta I know now I won't be buying that... Cool space graphic but other then that it blows....
It's also funny how SOE trys so hard to make the game a group effort to do anything.. or try to push people to be more active in the game but turn around and make jedi's Who. can't be grouped who can't be within 10k from an npc who can't use a lightsaber... I don't see why jedi's just don't stand in coronet spamming they are one dueling each Yell for Bh's to come kill them. becuase running the edge of the map of any planet not running into any npc or other players with place you on the BH just the same as just as quick.....
Hey Can I have a Job @ SOE I know how to lie better then you guys ever thought about.
Here a lie
Should the Jedi be unwary and allow themselves to become known amongst the population in these turbulent times, bounty hunters will be contracted by the various parties opposed to the Jedi's return. Their mission is to hunt the remaining Jedi of the galaxy down. Should one of these mercenaries for hire succeed in a mission, the Jedi character will automatically lose a calculated amount of Jedi Experience when the deathblow lands..
To all you jedi's that's a lie What they meant to say was no more then one hour of jedi play and you will be on the BH TERMS for 3 weeks.. Also once you die you lose 2k * the skill blocks you have in jedi. that can range from 30k to over 200k.... Also you can not grind out 200k faster then you will pop back on the bh terms...
THIS IS SUCH A F$#%#$%G JOKE!. I am so ashamed to be a part of this game after see how many negitvate posts are on here. Just should be a confirmation that everyone should quit this lame ass game. and write to Lucas Arts about letting Squaresoft make it.... Squaresoft makes FF games.
So gald my game cancels on Oct 1st.... Maybe I should go sell it on Ebay