Jedi Archive
Thread: Focus Thread: Visibility Rules
DeadlyTedly wrote:
Novock, this could be the result of a mission being held in a datapad "before" the Jedi was killed by the first BH. Missions can be held for up to 3 days by BHs. So in essence if Jedi gets killed and if that indeed causses the jedi to lose vis (which was my understanding as well), there could still be a a BH with a mission in his datapad that he had aquired "before" the Jedi was killed.
I was under the impression that all BH got 'mission failed' when another BH beat them to the kill.
Is this another thing which has changed?
Bendar wrote:
Algren_Earth-Stormer wrote:
When first becoming a jedi I have been told there is a grace period of 1 week before you will show up on terminals even if you have accrued vis. I have also been told that you will not show up on terms until after the first time you have 40 or more skill points in a jedi proffesion/s..... but going back below this does not reverse it.
Urban legend
Are you surethe 1 week grace period isan urban legend? I've heard the same story and it would be good to confirm whether or not I can start flashing my newly acquired saber in the vincinity of NPC's (like I did - oops).
Message Edited by Infje on 09-11-2005 02:35 AM
Baciacca wrote:
CrashNgoBoom wrote:
Update your drivers. lol
I have see CSR tickets from our server that tell friends to change their Video Cards to clear visibility.
Well if you update to the wrong set of drivers, such as the latest one that isn't supported by SWG, you WILL clear your vis since you won't be able to play the game-possibly long enough to actually allow your vis to decay. I've had problems with updated drivers...
I used to grind at the squill cave daily. The ONLY time I had a BH come for me was when I went with a fellow Jedi and we slaughtered everything in there as a team. There is an NPC in the cave and if you aren't careful, the twists and turns WILL take you within range of him. There is also a possibility that NPC's that spawn on top of the cave could also be in vis range.
Whenever I follow the basic rules: Don't equip/unequip saber/robe, ignite saber, use any force consuming ability within 32m of an NPC/Player...Idon'tget on the terms.
I'm not sure about the robe but, no point chancing it IF you want to stay off the terms.
Some final clarity from the devs would be much appreciated on this issue.
Notaku wrote:
So, just to clarify...I know this has been said, but please humor me
The problem is that the system often makes little sense. If it makes no sense why an NPC can only see a saber that's being equipped/stored and not continuously held, it is even harder to explain how a dead NPC can give a vis report or how an NPC with NO technology (ewok) /one thatshuns both sides of the GCW with NO technology (think Nightsister, etc.) would be able to report vis.
Iawalein wrote:
Notaku wrote:
So, just to clarify...I know this has been said, but please humor me
The problem is that the system often makes little sense. If it makes no sense why an NPC can only see a saber that's being equipped/stored and not continuously held, it is even harder to explain how a dead NPC can give a vis report or how an NPC with NO technology (ewok) /one thatshuns both sides of the GCW with NO technology (think Nightsister, etc.) would be able to report vis.
Since when has ANYTHING in this game made any sense?
TonieStark wrote:
Novock wrote:
3. How much visbility if any is lost off the Jedi if he/she is killed by a BH. Currently its seems that its either not much or bugged as I have seen jedi get hit within 15 minutes of getting killed with no real action to have caused any additonal vis.
Novock, this could be the result of a mission being held in a datapad "before" the Jediwas killed by the first BH. Missions can be held for up to 3 days by BHs. So in essence if Jedi gets killed and if that indeed causses the jedi to lose vis (which was my understanding as well), there could still be a a BH with a mission in his datapad that he had aquired "before" the Jedi was killed.
This is a bug though. It has been posted by the SoE moderators (I assume on word by the Devs if so posted, rather then going on what a CSR states in a report) that being killed by a BH is supposed to make all missions held by other BHs FAIL. They SHOULD disappear from the datapads.
There was also a report of sporadic jedi hitting "maximum visibility" and having a bug where it would NEVER clear-these people were killed 5-even 10-times within hours and still had BHs coming and were still losing their full XP.
The problem with the system is that it is punitive EVEN when the system is bugged. On top of that, the system often makes little sense and isn't put forth in a straight forward manner. If it isn't 100% common sense, the rules SHOULD be explained in detail.
This also might not be true. There are many reports of exceptions to these rules-cases when the player was told by an SoE official (not just a CSR) that their visibility was "maxed" and wasn't clearing with BH deathblows due to a bug that they couldn't track down. There have also been many reports of players not logging in for MONTHS and within minutes of the first log in (while checking the bazaar and such) came the BH. This might be explained by how the new system seems to treat a character: Buffs persist after logging out/logging back in. It's possible that the character is put into a sort of stasis where time doesn't change until the character is actually logged back on.
negilum wrote:
Mach_Ine wrote:
duurron wrote:
i read a thread from songouki pre cu saying that u lose vis when killing a bh with your mission, is that true oe not? when i can tell is, that if u kill a bh, im fine for about 2 days, then the next comes, maybe just destiny...
This is not true. I had a guildmate kill a BH pre-CU, and was killed in turn by another BH about 15 minutes later. I killed a BH yesterday, went AFK in the (private, fortunately) cantina for an hour, came back and found another sitting on the doorstep waiting for me.
Well... you might lose some vis, but you definitely will not lose it all.
Message Edited by Mach_Ine on 09-09-2005 09:15 PM
yep, dying to a bh and logging off for 3 weeks are the only ways to get off the terminals. if you end up killing the bh you'll gain vis from all the force you spend.
Congratulations, not a single one of you can read the FAQ's but together by SonG?
Visibility:
You gain visibility by equipping a lightsaber, initiating combat with a lightsaber, and using any Jedi-related skills that consume Force power within range of other players or NPC's. You will gain a little at a time for using it in front of a few people. Do it in front of a lot of people (like in a starport) and you will almost immediately appear on the BH Terminals.
The range for visibility is 32 meters. Performing any of the above acts in front of PC/NPC’s within that range will increase your visibility.
It is unknown if you gain visibility for just having a lightsaber or robe equipped.
It is also unknown if you gain visibility only upon using a force power or if having a latent Force power active in front of others (such as Force Run or Force Armor) will gain you visibility as well.
It is rumoured that only NPC's that you can loot credits off of will count towards gaining visibility (but they all seem to drop credits now after publish 10.2).
The increase to a Jedi's Visibility Value (JVV) is determined as follows:
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An opposing faction member who views this action will add the full value of the action to the Jedi Visibility Value.
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ACivilian PC or non-animal NPC will increase the JVV by 50 percent of the action's Jedi Visibility Modifier.
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A same-faction PC or non-animal NPC will increase the JVV by 25 percent of the action's Jedi Visibility Modifier.
Being grouped with a PC or non-animal NPC who is viewing this action has no influence on how Jedi Visibility is obtained. In other words, group members will still increase your visibility regardless.
Note that forCivilian Jedi everyone else is consideredCivilian when calculating the increase to visibility. No one is considered to be of an allied or opposing faction and will always increase the JVV by 50 percent of the action’s Jedi Visibility Modifier.
Visibility decays over time, taking three weeks to decay fully.
Taken from: http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=jedi&message.id=473607
Seriously Bac, don't you even know whats in the FAQ? /sigh
Anakroid wrote:
I'm curious if it's true that you gain visibility while cloaked. Gaining visibility while invisible, who's the genius in charge of this one?
You obviously don't know how you actually cloak yourself from others. To cloak yourself, you are using the force on everyone within sight of you to essentially erase yourself from their minds. This is why you lose force when someone is near you while cloaked. The more people, the faster you lose force to maintain your cloak.
robes do NOT add visability. neither does having your saber equiped. equipping a saber does.
i have a friend who unlocked and got to padawan, who formerly had dancer. she decided not to grind, so danced all day holding her saber and wearing robes, never visited at all and never on the terminals.
robes/titles do nothing, and only the act of equipping your saber gives visablity. i went a month grinding never unequiping my saber, holding it near friends and such, again no terminals.
with teh force run change im pretty sure, but uncertain, that you get vis everytime it pulls force..but thats only a theory