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Message Edited by fouchin on 10-02-2005 05:48 AM

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fouchin wrote:

Hape Wrote:

This thread makes me sick. All you cry babies that complain about forced PVP are ruining the profession.

Why not PVP? Dont want your feelings hurt if you die? Big f'ing deal.

If the FRS doesnt include perma-overt I'm done. I'm tired of you people.

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then GTFO ! sooner we get rid of your kind the sooner the developers can start to improve this damn game and not spend 24/7 balancing the combat professions for the sake of pvp combat.

Message Edited by fouchin on 10-02-2005 05:48 AM

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Oh and before you go on about me being the problem. Have a look at the nice changes the CU made and look at how many customers SWG lost. Change for the better my ass.

I'd rather die by a group of 10 bhs and be helped by 3 of my friends then be killed by a bh 1 on 1

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Srider_Killarney wrote:

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Niccolado wrote:

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Srider_Killarney wrote:

the CU has killed pvp ever since it got here. Unless you play on bria pvp is dead, I pvped everyday in the preCU in was nonstop pvp and fun. We need a roleback or some changes to this system, I don't care which but we need some changes. Bring back teffs, and saber teff, impower jedi and yet make some consiquinces. Put the fun back in the game.

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I think we should get rid of forced PvP completely.

and Saber TEF is plain and simple stupid, since it opens completely up for Harassment. Thats part of the reason why they did remove it in the first place!!

jedi is now not as strong as it was. BHs I easy won over earlier, I am now frequently loosing to. And im using my same tactic as earlier. I still win tho, but thats usually against new and unexperienced BHs. Thatd why we should get rid of the Forced PvP! And it also ruins my gameplay, spoiling all my quests and missions. Its very difficult to protect myself against 1 BH and 2 Nightsisters at the same time! One time I had a NS elder and NS Ranger + a BH on me at the same time outside NS Stronghold. Tried to run away from the NSs, but the total damage made it very difficult getting away, specially when the BHs root etc.

We have now come to a point SOE needs to think of if they should remove the Forced PvP. I did not go jedi to get a free unlock. I went jedi, because thats what I want to play. But its difficult and not fun, when BHs are ruining my play. My missions. and my quests.

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Don't you see nic, jedi lose there power everytime we lose some risk. If there is no risk and not any forced pvp there is no reason for us to be able to rip someone apart with a higher damage. When jedi could be attack anytime someone saw there saber, we were powerful. It is a balance and the more we ask to take out forced pvp on a jedi the weaker we become.

Message Edited by Fingerofthrawn on 10-02-2005 08:54 AM

the solution is real simple:
if a jedi wants to pvp, they go sf and get listed on the terms.

ppl that don't want to pvp, don't have to and can go kill all the npc's and take part in content unmolested.

every other class has this option. it's time jedi does too.

ppl who want to pvp, get to.
ppl who dont want to pvp, don't have to.



the real issue:
jedi has long been the grond of the uber power gamer types, as it took insane grindage to unlock in the past. now, jedi is just another prof that takes 6 mo to unlock, and is what a great deal of ppl bought the game for, especially the ppl that started post cu. most of these ppl are not power gamer types, and have 0 interest in pvp.

as these become the majority of jedi, the 'no forced pvp' chant will grow louder and louder. sony will have to make this change at some point, or risk looseing too many customers who hate pvp. this is what happened with the gcw, and i for one think it was a great change. there are many more ppl on my server than we ever had pre cu, and lots more factional ppl as well. like it or hate it, the tef loss was good for the game and for the population of hte game.

quite a few of us just want to play our jedi in peace and enjoy the game. which is the reason we play. pvp is not enjoyable. at all. ever.

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Fingerofthrawn wrote:

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Srider_Killarney wrote:

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Niccolado wrote:

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Srider_Killarney wrote:

the CU has killed pvp ever since it got here. Unless you play on bria pvp is dead, I pvped everyday in the preCU in was nonstop pvp and fun. We need a roleback or some changes to this system, I don't care which but we need some changes. Bring back teffs, and saber teff, impower jedi and yet make some consiquinces. Put the fun back in the game.

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I think we should get rid of forced PvP completely.

and Saber TEF is plain and simple stupid, since it opens completely up for Harassment. Thats part of the reason why they did remove it in the first place!!

jedi is now not as strong as it was. BHs I easy won over earlier, I am now frequently loosing to. And im using my same tactic as earlier. I still win tho, but thats usually against new and unexperienced BHs. Thatd why we should get rid of the Forced PvP! And it also ruins my gameplay, spoiling all my quests and missions. Its very difficult to protect myself against 1 BH and 2 Nightsisters at the same time! One time I had a NS elder and NS Ranger + a BH on me at the same time outside NS Stronghold. Tried to run away from the NSs, but the total damage made it very difficult getting away, specially when the BHs root etc.

We have now come to a point SOE needs to think of if they should remove the Forced PvP. I did not go jedi to get a free unlock. I went jedi, because thats what I want to play. But its difficult and not fun, when BHs are ruining my play. My missions. and my quests.

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Don't you see nic, jedi lose there power everytime we lose some risk. If there is no risk and not any forced pvp there is no reason for us to be able to rip someone apart with a higher damage. When jedi could be attack anytime someone saw there saber, we were powerful. It is a balance and the more we ask to take out forced pvp on a jedi the weaker we become.

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This is really standard PvPer thinking, look at it from the other way: the reward gets abused, it has to be taken away, then the risk is diminished. PvP Jedi seem to insist that the GCW is their playground, it shouldn't be- Jedi meeting non-Jedi should never be an equal meeting, but it has to be since it happens so often. Non-Jedi have no choice whether or not they are fighting Jedi if they go SF, so Jedi has to be diminished to be on an equal "fair" footing with everyone else. Example is the CU and the grouping vis change... what happened first? The CU greatly lessened Jedi power, THEN the risk was lowered, not the other way around. In addition, it's been at least hinted at by a red name that pearls were nerfed because of PvP Jedi and their inability to keep themselves away from the GCW. Too many Jedi running around with perfect sabers would be unbalancing--- do you really think that matters when it's PvE or FORCED PvP? Not so much....

As far as I'm concerned bring back saber TEF (wouldn't affect me, I never wear robes or title in public)- at least in non-player cities, bring back PvP death penalties (might slow Jedi running amok in the GCW- if there's penalties for forced PvP, there sure as heck outta be penalties for unforced PvP, only makes sense right?), remove visibility for quest NPCs ( which once again wouldn't effect PvP Jedi in the slightest), allowing PEOPLE that PLAY Jedi to ENJOY (getting the hint with key words here?) quests and time spent in-game with friends without having to "play an alt" just because they wanted to experience content with their MAIN character if they CHOOSE. Funny thing to me is, that's the only reason I bought RotW was that I could do quests with friends and not constantly get jumped by BHs, that's the same reason I probably won't buy ToW as well- why pay for content that I can't experience without being someone else's content?

Another thing I think is misunderstood, if changes could be made to keep the hardcore PvP Jedi from being mainstream focus and some power could be returned again to the profession, maybe a lot of the borderline PvP cases would be more open to forced PvP. Pre-CU, even with only 75% of my template done (but it was a good template LS4444, Healer 4000, Powers 3030, novice brawler, medic 0040), I knew I had to make a serious mistake or was fighting an awesome BH to lose. This is not the case post-CU, any slight mistake against anything less than an unprepared noob BH and you can start grinding away lost XP.... A BH should have to use tactics, opportunityand skill to defeat a Jedi, not be able to stand toe-to-toe with them on a regular basis. (Yes, Jango killed a Jedi master in Ep2- ever think the Jedi might have been a little more concerned about the DJM standing beside Jango instead? Tactics and opportunism). On top of that, since they made it so easy and profitable to become BH, I'd guess that there are easily 5-10 times the number of BHs post-CU/respec that there ever were pre-CU, when investigation was a long, thankless grind and there were no "boss mobs" and their uber-loot to enjoy, only Jedi to hunt.

Message Edited by Fingerofthrawn on 10-02-2005 08:54 AM

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Srider_Killarney wrote:

the CU has killed pvp ever since it got here. Unless you play on bria pvp is dead, I pvped everyday in the preCU in was nonstop pvp and fun. We need a roleback or some changes to this system, I don't care which but we need some changes. Bring back teffs, and saber teff, impower jedi and yet make some consiquinces. Put the fun back in the game.

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Actually bring back TEF or even better assign zones what are non-pvp and pvp areas, just like in WoW.

I, for one, am tired of the care bear attitude. If you don't want to PvP then either one.... don't be a jedi, or two go play KOTOR

Whatever you decide please do it soon and stop whining about the things in this game that make it worth playing.

1) Just for using the word carebear- please, do us all a favor: delete your Jedi and hit that button that says "cancel"- people like YOU ruin games for everyone

2) It's actually the PvPers that have made the game unplayable - they wouldn't have to nerf us if they didn't have to balance us dontcha think? Or DON'T you think?

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Wini wrote:

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Srider_Killarney wrote:

the CU has killed pvp ever since it got here. Unless you play on bria pvp is dead, I pvped everyday in the preCU in was nonstop pvp and fun. We need a roleback or some changes to this system, I don't care which but we need some changes. Bring back teffs, and saber teff, impower jedi and yet make some consiquinces. Put the fun back in the game.

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Actually bring back TEF or even better assign zones what are non-pvp and pvp areas, just like in WoW.

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wow actually has TEF's on the normal servers.

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jedibd wrote:

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jedibd wrote:

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no way no more forced pvp. Thats it ive finally figured out why some people love force pvp so much, and its the same ones i see over and over in every post regarding this subject. No body wants to play with you so you want SOE to force us all to have to play with you. Im sorry you have no online friends either.And pre-cu sucked there was no tactics in it at all. Everyone that pvp had the exact same HAM bar with mind pushed out to the max and all uber doc buffed up all spamming basically the same mind hit over and over. It was brainless maybe thats why some of you really want it back so bad.

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Hate that it comes to this but I have to say that you are a twit,Now I understand why you are so scared to PvP.You dont have a clue.Pre-cu you had posture changes,KD that you didnt just have to tap a button to recover from,states that actually worked etc.You were probably one of the whiners who cried about how strong Jedi weere too werent you?I always found it amusing that people screamed we were too strong and yet I had about a 75% win rate over Jedi with a regular profession and no DOTS or exceptional weapons.

Yes there were the crazy DOTS pre cu but putting that aside to say that pre cu pvp was brainless just shows you didnt know what the hell you were doing.Everyone had the same HAM Bar?????WTH do we have now? Did I miss something?Of course we PvPers were buffed as was everyone else.It was just part of the sysytem.Let me guess you never used buffs right?

"Nobody wants to play with you....." shows that you are just being bitter and acting like a childish ass.If anyone is trying to force anything it is you trying to force your standards down everyones throat whenwe already have a system in place that works just fine.If anything it should be made more severe.

Once again it is not forced pvp.you consented when you chose Jedi.If you don't like it there a little delete button for your Jedo or put him/her into retirement.

Your whining is about as pathetic as an NFL player who would whine to the league because a player from another team hit him too hard.He consented when he joined the league knowing all to well he was going to be physically punished playing the game.

Stop calling it harrassment and call it what it is...fear and childishness.Please take your ball and go home now.

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did i strike a nerve for you. Did i hit pretty close to home and thats why you are so upset?

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Not in the least.Your comment was moronic and nothing but the rantings af someone who can't get their "I win" button and apparently is clueless,What server are you on again?Maybe I'll come over and group with you and follow you around so I can see the 456 BH a day that are "harrassing" you.I'll even give you a class on how to survive.

As someone else stated maybe 1% of your game time is spent in dealing with BH attacks and even that is too much for you.My total IG time spent indealing with BH amouts to about 2.5 hours.Two hours of which were one attack that covered 4 planets and was very fun as we were roleplaying.I could have ended it in 20 seconds if I had wanted to because I take responsability for myself and could have ran and went to a safe house.(heres a little tip for you.Keep your map up and watch it.You can examine the player approaching and since theyve made it even easier for you,if he doesnt have a MBH in his bio then hes not after you.)

Just curious but I'm guessing you are full temp????Could you explain to me how you made through the horrible "forced PvP" system" all of the way to full template?

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i think i really must have been close. I never directed my post at anyone in specific yet for some reason you have found a way to take it personal. Why is that i wonder?

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Srider_Killarney wrote:

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Niccolado wrote:

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Srider_Killarney wrote:

the CU has killed pvp ever since it got here. Unless you play on bria pvp is dead, I pvped everyday in the preCU in was nonstop pvp and fun. We need a roleback or some changes to this system, I don't care which but we need some changes. Bring back teffs, and saber teff, impower jedi and yet make some consiquinces. Put the fun back in the game.

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I think we should get rid of forced PvP completely.

and Saber TEF is plain and simple stupid, since it opens completely up for Harassment. Thats part of the reason why they did remove it in the first place!!

jedi is now not as strong as it was. BHs I easy won over earlier, I am now frequently loosing to. And im using my same tactic as earlier. I still win tho, but thats usually against new and unexperienced BHs. Thatd why we should get rid of the Forced PvP! And it also ruins my gameplay, spoiling all my quests and missions. Its very difficult to protect myself against 1 BH and 2 Nightsisters at the same time! One time I had a NS elder and NS Ranger + a BH on me at the same time outside NS Stronghold. Tried to run away from the NSs, but the total damage made it very difficult getting away, specially when the BHs root etc.

We have now come to a point SOE needs to think of if they should remove the Forced PvP. I did not go jedi to get a free unlock. I went jedi, because thats what I want to play. But its difficult and not fun, when BHs are ruining my play. My missions. and my quests.

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Don't you see nic, jedi lose there power everytime we lose some risk. If there is no risk and not any forced pvp there is no reason for us to be able to rip someone apart with a higher damage. When jedi could be attack anytime someone saw there saber, we were powerful. It is a balance and the more we ask to take out forced pvp on a jedi the weaker we become.

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Actually most nerfs to Jedi or any other profession are a direct result of something being exploited in PVP, or to remove a function that gives somoene little to no risk. The Jedi being powered down was a result of the number of Jedi in existance. The removal of PVE xp loss was a direct result of an added risk that was not present Pre-cu. Lets face it your chances of being offed by a pack of pickets pre-cu was pretty low. The removal of XP loss form PVP where a bh wasnt involved was removed to PROMOTE Jedi to PVP. Look for tanks post on this if you think im making it up.

The saber TEF was placed on Jedi to keep them in hiding NOT so anyone could gank them at will. One was a result of th eother not a reason for. The problem here is people asking for these TEFs back seem more interested in being able to gank someone than being able to engage in "Good old PVP". Its the same argument from before the GCW tefs were set up the way they were. They clame they want teh challenge of PVP but where is the challenge in a group of players jumping a newb who is running faction missions. Nothing pronotes PVP like a bunch of guys standing in the starport bragging about the newb they triple incapped and how pist he was that they blew up his swoop.

Come up with a TEF system to promote Jedi staying relatively hidden then sure Id say bring them back. Saber/Power TEFs in NPC cities unless defending yourslef from a BH or soemthing to that effect, otherwise your just askign for teh right to attack people who probably dont want attacked. You want to be open to pvp then go overt and if nobody attacks then it just proves how interested in PVP people really are.

That being said I Dont have a problem with the BH system other than a guy staying out of view of the general public gets just as much vis as the Starport light show if he engages in in-game content. Doesnt really support what the VIS system was supposed to be about.