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CeyxSinia

Sun Sep 18, 2005 5:13 pm

To: Those that want to "Nerf" Force Cloak

From: A Jedi w/ Force Cloak

As I read these posts about a suppossed upcoming "nerf" to Force CLoak, let's take a look at those who wish to have cloaked removed/"nerfed"...

A) Other Jedi w/ out cloak who Die to Jedi w/ CLoak

B) Bounty Hunters - Personally I'd would rather fight a Mdef/MLS than a Cloaked Jedi- waste ofDroids &Time

C) Special FOrces non-Jedi who Die to Jedi's w/ Cloak

NOw that we've cleared that up, let's ask Why? Why do groups A,B, & C not like cloak Jedi..

A) Cloak provides an escape from Ganking & First Strike

B) Makes hunting a Jedi w/ Force Cloak almost Impossible

C) Provides First Strike and Evac in Hard pressed (low force, outnumbered, etc) situations

Cloak is the best Ability ever implimented into the game SW:G, It's versatility has been proven by those that have whined over losing to a Jedi w/ Cloak. On my Character I usually kill 4-5 opposing faction members before they kill me once. Force Cloak is a Jedi Weilders ONLY defense, if you've ever watched Return of the Jedi and wonder why Vader can't find Luke in their Epic battle..you guessed it, he cloaked! Cloak is Invaluable to a Weilder based template...Sabers has block, Mdef has aura/AI, enhncr stasis/force Armor, Healer has ..... , Mpowers has no defensive abilities other than Force CLoak. Before "nerfing" Force CLoak w/ things like snare, root etc , MOVE FORCE CLOAK TO MASTER POWERS,Cloak already has one of the longest cooldown timers in game,Moving CLoak to Master Powers would add versatility to the FRS ( if it ever returns), AS it stands the most used templates by jedi are MLS/MDEF or MLS/MENHCR, where are the Master Healers or Master Powers? Probably with the Master Docs and the @ keyboard Entertainers. I would much rather go Master Powers to get Force Cloak than to have a useless ability, these thoughts should be taken into consideration before you make an excellent ability unplayable and take the only defense an almost completely worthless offensive jedi proffession has.what's next?

CeYx

Scoooter

Sun Sep 18, 2005 5:26 pm

#54

Well you wont get the massive outpoar of support like pub 22 had because simply the abuse of cloakers caused this. Too many people want cloak nerfed unlike xp. You just wont get that kind of support.

The problem is too many people abused and griefed using cloak.

1) shutting off faction base terms

2) DWB loot stealing

3) Griefing in DWB but pulling out SBD's

4) and the list goes on.

I for one have always thought that it is too powerful for a tier 4 and should be left alone but placed at master.No other tier 4 skill is as powerful. People compare it to AI and FR3 which are master level skills. Nothing in healer matches it, heck a doc or cm heal faster than jedi at 4xxx healer.

The devs envisioned it as a foirst stike and not evasion just like they envisions AI to be last ditch and not evasion, therefor the snare.

This is not how I wanted it handled but it is the way they are going

Best you can do is see if a comprimising solution can be met by getting on TC and working it outt there. It's not on TC yet so that will be your best approach is going to TC when it does

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Slayer-Titan

Sun Sep 18, 2005 5:49 pm

#55

the thing here is....there is gonna be a lot of positive feedback as well, and that will outway the negitive feedback, the Publish 22 thing effected EVERYONE not just jedi with cloak

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peo

Sun Sep 18, 2005 8:29 pm

#56

I guess cloak will only have one good use now, it will allow me to go to bathroom and not get killed. I hope they don't nerf the most useful/fun skill I have.

MrDecipher

Sun Sep 18, 2005 9:34 pm

#57

You know the only change they needed to make to cloak was no using etrminals or looting bins. Then add a warmup timer to using cloak so you cant use it while running. This would remove the get outta jail free card. Oh and of course they need to fix the getting CM fires and stuff on you while cloaked.

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Ringamon

Sun Sep 18, 2005 10:44 pm

#58

i would be fine with these pending nerfs if they fixed one thing about cloak for me first......make it so non-forcesensitive npcs do not agro a cloaked player. i can understand certain creatures agroing and even fs npcs cuz they may be able to "sense" a cloaked player, but why should every stormtrooper be able to chase you around?

just my thoughts

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Virtuell

Sun Sep 18, 2005 11:20 pm

#59

If they are nerfing powers, they should give them other abilities. Force Lightning should have greater damage output and root and stun should be applied(to similate how Luke was affected by it in ROTJ). Same goes for Force Choke, greater damage output, root and stun should apply. -just my 2 cents...

Sad to see Jedi, especially Powers being nerfed, but if there is enough whining they nerf things. Not much to do about it. Wonder what will be nerfed after this have been done...


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Huin

Sun Sep 18, 2005 11:32 pm

#60

/agree

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raziviWH

Sun Sep 18, 2005 11:36 pm

#61

Cloak-loot-camping.

Healing others while cloaked.

Drawing aggro to other players so you can loot, run them off, ect while cloaked.

And just about a hundred other ways cloak was abused by certain jedi.

This is why your skill is being worked on. Every single one of you either ARE or KNOW jedi who have used cloak in a way unintended when it was designed and you know it. They are correcting the mistake you and/or your associates made obvious every single day. Just like what happened with grinding on wookiee world. Just like using groups, multi-person ships,and spaceship terminals to escape BHs. Just like many other exploits or 'tactics' some jedis have used to avoid or give an unfair advantage.

You and yoursdraw attention to yourselves by misusing what you have. You FORCE the devs to act because you simplycannot control yourselves and not exploit and/or misuse the system.

Every action has a reaction.The action was misusing cloak. The reaction is fixing it so it cannot be misused again.

I am in full support of making the non MLS/MDef jedi templates more useful and effective, just not by misusing the system or employingexploits.

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CaptainWinkii

Mon Sep 19, 2005 1:03 am

#62

Liani wrote:

i think experience nerfs for every combat profession and modifying one special of one tree of Jedi are two different things.

prettysure the game is gonna come crashing down over this like the XP thing.

besides, some Jedi think cloak is over powered. others think that at least, it should be a master level skill.

i do agree that they are trying to balance Jedi with other professions...it is a problem they created and are hard pressed to solve.

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BountysFear

Mon Sep 19, 2005 1:04 am

#63

That's the most colorful post I've seen in a while. You can live with cloak nerf though, TRUST ME. You all can!! I live without it every day and I do everything cloacked Jedi do. It's not like everyone and their mom is gonna go Master Ranger just to uncover you guys anyway.

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emovamalla

Mon Sep 19, 2005 8:30 am

#64

CaptainWinkii wrote:

Liani wrote:

i think experience nerfs for every combat profession and modifying one special of one tree of Jedi are two different things.

prettysure the game is gonna come crashing down over this like the XP thing.

besides, some Jedi think cloak is over powered. others think that at least, it should be a master level skill.

i do agree that they are trying to balance Jedi with other professions...it is a problem they created and are hard pressed to solve.

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Please re-read my comments in regards to comment.

The highlighted part of the Julio appology post is what I was focusing on, not the actual nerf itself.

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CaptainWinkii

Mon Sep 19, 2005 9:05 am

#65

i didnt read it all. i just read the one part the i emphasized. hence the highlighted QFE.

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