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Thread: DEVS Learn from your pub 22 mistake DON'T PUSH CLOAK NERF LIVE!

KRAKEN666
Mon Sep 19, 2005 9:18 am
#66

when did soe ever learn from a mistake?....the only mistake we make is to pay for this crap every month. soe would rather experience player grief than avoid it. every vetern player knows this nerf is a mistake but soe has to drive another wedge between jedi and the game they can. if it gets appealed later on its sony's way of saying that they are giving us what we want....even though they never acknowledge that we asked to in the first place not to impliment it.
Phantom513
Mon Sep 19, 2005 9:21 am
#67

SOE needs to stop nerfing professions and start improving other professions. We can never move forward if we continue to move backward.



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Daeges
Mon Sep 19, 2005 10:04 am
#68

the backlash from publish 22 had nothing to do with what was changed, but how it was changed. Major changes to game play such as a revision to experience needs to be communicated openly and tested for balance. Slipping into publish 22 without a mention prior to the change is what caused the issue. The chances to cloak only effect Powers Jedi, a tiny fraction of the population, and are being communicated and tested in the open to prevent this backlash. The changes prevent a number of unintended side effects of cloak, such as being able to stop a base take-down without any chance for the opponent to respond. There are a number of unbalancing effects of cloak, and this is not entirely unwelcome by a good fraction of the population. I disagree with your prediction.



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KRAKEN666
Mon Sep 19, 2005 10:08 am
#69

it effects more than powers jedi. Cloak is the grinding padawans only hope of getting away from bh. now that hope is gone because they wont be able to use terminals cloaked, wont be able to run effectively cloaked, cant call a speeder cloaked. and all the while they are wasting force to be an even easier kill to bh's.
Kakabus
Mon Sep 19, 2005 10:42 am
#70






KRAKEN666 wrote:

it effects more than powers jedi. Cloak is the grinding padawans only hope of getting away from bh. now that hope is gone because they wont be able to use terminals cloaked, wont be able to run effectively cloaked, cant call a speeder cloaked. and all the while they are wasting force to be an even easier kill to bh's.





Grinding padawans should be easy to kill...And maybe a grinding padawan will think twice before gaining vis so easily...Heck, Pre CU a grinding padawan that got on the terms was one unlucky soul. Gaining vis should be on the back of every padawan's mind instead of "Ill just cloak and run away...Im not losing xp even if a BH comes after me"
TajJunak
Mon Sep 19, 2005 11:41 am
#71

This nerf is dumb make the droids and turrets immune to force cloak since they have no mind to trick and the true exploits go away, in all those places that ppl cry cloak exploits are droids and turrets.
MrDecipher
Mon Sep 19, 2005 11:44 am
#72

lol saying its a padawans nly chance of survival is rediculous. How about don't get on the terms. Jedi are supposed to be secretive not out PvPing while they are half templated. Devs took visibility away from grouped members there is no excuse to gain visibility anymore.



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HermanTheGerman
Mon Sep 19, 2005 12:01 pm
#73






StrayS8 wrote:
im am a pvping jedi on ahazi and we getcloaker/ mehn guys that uncloak and statis someone then recloak and thats all they do while attacking someone else ...which is 1 reason for statis but using it together just to make pplstop pvping so u can laugh and run away and get doing that every min just to hold someone there so your gank squad/bhs even if u are pvping in the gcw a mehn/0-4-0-0 can keep u in the same spot and not have to take a bit of damage withsup/statis then run and cloak medit and repeat...should and needs to be fixed






its their choice of template... why can't they do it??? they sacrifice MANY things, DEFENSE specially to acquire these skills... why can't they use it like that.. its the ONLY moment where they are useful.. better yet.. fix the duel crap with stasis... i am no longer menh because of it...



One more thiing.. if they leave cloak like it is and not nerf it, it would be a good thing to speed up FR3 as it was or remove the damage problem... enhancer is VERY gimped in defenses, even with FA, so give them the ability to move quickly and strike...


what happened to casius clay oponents? imagine if he was gimped dishing out damage just because he moved fast.... NO NERFS!!! FIX!





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Nikolai_Xavierov
Mon Sep 19, 2005 12:26 pm
#74



HermanTheGerman wrote:


StrayS8 wrote:
im am a pvping jedi on ahazi and we get cloaker/ mehn guys that uncloak and statis someone then recloak and thats all they do while attacking someone else ...which is 1 reason for statis but using it together just to make ppl stop pvping so u can laugh and run away and get doing that every min just to hold someone there so your gank squad/bhs even if u are pvping in the gcw a mehn/0-4-0-0 can keep u in the same spot and not have to take a bit of damage with sup/statis then run and cloak medit and repeat...should and needs to be fixed



its their choice of template... why can't they do it??? they sacrifice MANY things, DEFENSE specially to acquire these skills... why can't they use it like that.. its the ONLY moment where they are useful.. better yet.. fix the duel crap with stasis... i am no longer menh because of it...

One more thiing.. if they leave cloak like it is and not nerf it, it would be a good thing to speed up FR3 as it was or remove the damage problem... enhancer is VERY gimped in defenses, even with FA, so give them the ability to move quickly and strike...

what happened to casius clay oponents? imagine if he was gimped dishing out damage just because he moved fast.... NO NERFS!!! FIX!






You idiots don't get it. Placing ability "Crutches" in skill-sets should not be acceptable to you. When powers was given Cloak you should have thrown it back in their faces and said FIX THE PROFESSION FIRST. As you all know, and knew before Cloak, Powers never logically made sense. MLS got better offense AND Defense, while Powers had to expend more Force, get less Offense, and sacrifice defense. It simply was a clear-cut, needs a re-balancing situation. But instead you guys got Cloak and said ok forget our issues lets rely on this Crutch power to survive, actually, most of you idiots werent even Powers before Cloak, you went Powers BECAUSE of Cloak (Powers was very largely ignored as it wasnt seen as viable, none of you care about 'fun' just whats viable, so you'll **edit** out any profession if it lets you dominate, i.e. the cloak situation with powers). So of course youre bitching Powers sucks now, and you only care because you invested time in Powers AFTER the fact you got Cloak. The fact is Powers simply needs to be balanced, crutches ALWAYS get nerfed if they are all the profession has to lean on. You need a fully balanced and well-thought out Powers skill-set, not one skill that completely unbalances the combat dynamic for a Master Powers player.

I know a lot of good Jedi, but really a majority of you are such whiners its so ridiculous. I really wouldn't be surprised if most of you were somewhere around 10 years old. Just stop whining already and think logically. Are you that dense? MMOS /always/ have nerfs, IF you are EVER given a single ability that somehow changes an otherwise **edit**ty skillset over to an overpowered one, you know DAMN Well its getting nerfed. Case closed.



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Yazzmine
Tue Sep 20, 2005 12:07 am
#75

This makes me sad, but I expected it. Cloak is by far my favourite jedi skill. I dont think I abused it. I did use it to escape BHs when I did not wish to fight them. It allowed me to travel fairly safely without fearing an attack from BH and I loved it. (even as BHs hated me for it)


I can live without it. I will not cancel my subscription because of this. I will not regrind my whole template because of this.So keep the nerfs coming...


Want to share with us already the next nerf of the month? I can hardly wait. I feel so overpowered.My money is on aura, force armor and stasis. Seem to be pretty much the only skills that work properly.


- Yazzmine (Darth Tiredofallthedamnnerfs)
mero909
Tue Sep 20, 2005 12:27 am
#76






FOCKSTA wrote:


cloak should be removed from the game






Now that is stupid




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CeyxSinia
Thu Sep 29, 2005 12:01 pm
#77

A modest Proposal:


MOVE CLOAK TO MASTER POWERS

MOVE BREACH TO SUBJUGATE 4

ADD IMPRVD BREACH @ MASTER LEVEL

it just makes since.....

-Ceyx
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