Jedi Archive
Thread: I, Bounty Hunter
SlaserX
Sun Apr 10, 2005 12:30 pm
#53
Ninja were never honorable... to be a ninja is to live without honor. Hiding in shadows and killing unarmed men are a commonplace as a ninja. Where is the honor in that?
As for the topic at hand, I think that there is enough troubles out there already without bounty hunters. I think that as a jedi, you should be more worried about killing your opposing side's jedis instead of being jumped by an oppertunist. How is it fair you can be in a weakened state, and you can be killed at any time, but the opposite isnt true? If a BH kills you, you should be opened up to a week period of free pvp of the BH until either the time runs out, or you kill them. Maybe then it would be a bit more fair.
Then again... That's just my take on it.
Lavraen
Mon Apr 11, 2005 3:57 am
#54
OMG someone just told me we are all playing in a game! This can't be true can it?
I was so sure it was all real!
Meatpuppet1987
Mon Apr 11, 2005 10:36 am
#55
isildurofwanderhome:
Does that honestly make an sense to you to let a target arm up? As is, jedi currently have a huge advantage over ranged BH's. Now when I sneak up on a padawan grinding fully buffed with my crappy 350 dmg laser carb, the last thing I want to do is send him a /tell saying "Hi, I'm a bh here to kill you!". The paddy would most likely try to KD me and run to a safe house. There are misgivings about the way both sides play. The bottom line is, it's my job to kill you, and I will peform it to the best of my ability. In the process, no doubt jedi are mad about it. I honestly can't blame them. Once I kill a jedi or vise versa, I congradulate them on a good fight and hopefully part ways amicably. That's not always the case, but as the French say: "C'est la vie". Jedi need to learn to accept that they are being hunted and that they inevitably will get out-gunned. Bounty Hunters need to accept that jedi have the right to avoid PVP by hidding and that everything won't always go their way.
As for the reasons Bounty Hunters do our jobs, they are pretty much:
- The love for DOTless PVP
- The thrill of it
- The title or the carb/pistol bonuses
- Those unhappy with the jedi boom and seek to control it
- Idiots (Yes, there are alot of them).
Mind you, jedi aren't the perfect citizens either, they from my experience fall into:
- Nice people who wish to explore content
- Jedi nuts who really want to get a saber
- Jebay
- People who legitimatlywant to be expand their combat ability
Derscout:
How do you figure were all haters? The only thing I "hate" about jedi is the conflict (not ingame) betweent he two factions. If I pick up weapon smith does that mean I'm against peace? BH are here to keep jedi from running around in public less than they would otherwise.We do our jobs, you do yours. If toes get stepped on, then that's life. Complaining to devs that your prof isn't "uber" enough and that you should be able to kill anyone or blamming us for doing a mission on the terminal else is rediculous.
Honnor? Oh for god sake people, give me a break! This isn't the middle -east or even anything remotly resembling real war. This is a Wal-Mart war where people yell at eachother and push buttons. How does sitting down and clicking F9 on a keyboard to kill someone even compare to honnor? It's more sportsmanship than anything.
At any rate, people will disagree with what I've said, and I'm sorry if I've been more leninat towards the BH side of the story.
JenniferAmidala
Mon Apr 11, 2005 10:55 am
#56
For someone that implies they possess a higher education, you have a pretty narrow view of things.
dridernce wrote:
IshmaelKryste wrote:
I'm still yet to see a Jedi successfuly comment on the fact that they were made well-aware that they'd be hunted, killed, and robbed of xp before they decided to become a jedi.
If you say you didn't agree to the above when you made the choice to become a Jedi, then you are, sir, a complete moron that probably should have done his research before logging on to ebay.
The best Jedi I've met embrace the difficulties of the profession and become stronger and more difficult to hunt as a result of it.
A fight with these Jedi is always something to remember, for all the right reasons. Honour on both sides, an understanding that both are here to serve a purpose, and even a mutual respect.
Then there are the weak Jedi that can't handle the difficulties, but persevere because they want to be 'uber'.
Encounters always resulted in hate tells, spam, and death-threats.
Despite the inconveniences, I love those Jedi the most.
They paid for my DE-10 and ADK.
High school graduate only, right?
Message Edited by dridernce on 04-10-2005 12:14 AM
iskareot
Mon Apr 11, 2005 11:24 am
#57
PyrateRaven wrote:
BelTir wrote:
I have always said taking a mission on a jedi is griefing, whether directly or indirectly you are still griefing them. If you want to make friends buddy and share poetry your in the wrong profession, you may wanna try Dancer.
and what exactly is the FRS? Needlepoint?
How dare you put Needlepoint and FRS in the same sentence. 
LOL I kill me.
ArsMoritoria
Mon Apr 11, 2005 1:39 pm
#58
I just wished to clarify a few things, as there is much stated here.
First: I rather enjoyed the post and it is good to see a BH out there who takes pride in a job well-done. I don't feel that he is a griefer, and he is not, by far, the only honorable BH in the game, though the number of honorable ones is far outweighed by those with less honor.
Second: I did not agree to be griefed when I accepted my Jedi robes. I agreed that yes, there would be situations that would arise that would put me on the terminals, and that would likely result in me, at the very least, seeking the aid of a doctor on short notice. However, some of the more honorable BHs I know will at least wait a few days or to hunt me again, or until my payout increases a bit, to see if I've gotten smarter or learned some new and useful tricks. Many more BHs instead love to keep taking the same missions over and over again because they know that if they've gotten them once, they're probably an easy kill. They'll continue picking on a few select Jedi until they either: A) Stop showing up on the boards, or; B) Have a high enough payout that they don't feel that they can take them on anymore, for fear of losing.
Third:Having a BH show up and kill you with a Doctor in tow is a very nice gesture, and a testament to the fact that they, too, know that there are many hardships involved, and that the double-penalty of being killed by a BH and having to clone is rather steep. Unfortunately, I can count the number of times I have personally had this happen to me on one finger. On occasion, I've asked if they know any doctors on and they'll provide me at the least with a few names, which is always appreciated, but most of them give the simple, "Yeah, right. Not my job, do it yourself," response that very quickly gets them /addignore'd.
Fourth: I actually enjoy the excitement of being hunted, and for that reason have not spent much time avoiding visibility as of late. I've nearly given up on the XP grind as such, and am in a far greater degree out to have fun with my friends on hunts, and to kill NPCs that I despise. I haven't spent all of this time working on this profession to not enjoy myself at any given opportunity with it. *NO* I am not a Knight yet, though I have only about 13-14mil XP left before I can complete my template, and somewhat hope that I'll be more in the mood to work on it before the CU hits, because I suspect the difficulty of doing so will rise exponentially at that point. The one thing I do not enjoy about being on the terminals is that there is no penalty to the losing BH, nor is there any reward on my part for killing a BH.I don't receive a reduction of visibility, (In fact, if I only just had enough vis to be on the terminals in the first place, I likely will now be thoroughly plastered about, thus a greater penalty) and I can expect that so long as I keep killing them, I will have to deal with an endless stream of them. It would be nice if in addition to you only appearing on the terminals once in a bit when your visibility is low, if a Jedi might also only be able to be taken by a limited number of BHs at a time, proportionally to the visibility accrued.
Fifth: Despite all of this, I still believe that the visibility system could use some tweaking. Why do my guildmates, arguably the people I should trust most in my galaxy, give me up for being hunted, because they see me use my powers? Further, why should another Jedi do the same? Wouldn't any Jedi reporting seeing another at leastcall himself into question? It's things like this that I think should be fixed, not that general NPCs should no longer give visibility, but that it should at least make sense. Another example: I get attacked by 4 Kunga's while heading towards my GVT mission, and find myself almost immediately warned by a guildmate or friend that I should be aware of my terminal status. (sic) Did these Kunga's, that I just killed, I might add, get on their comms and inform the Empire that there is a Jedi by such a name running around? Or that the Rebellion should be aware that a Jedi might be preparing to attack them? I just wish that the system made a little more sense than it does. I'm not asking for a whole lot here, but that common sense dictate rules of visibility, not such sweeping game mechanics.
Sixth: Seeing an indicator of visibilty or at least some kind of meter, much like the one used in a few of the Village quests, that might indicate proximity to something that could give you visibility would be very nice, too. Maybe it could be as simple as numbers or colors appearing somewhere onscreen that would give you warning, or perhaps a modified version of the graphic for shielding on your spaceships, where it would be non-existent until you began approaching a possible source of visiblity, and the meter would rise as you approached, either changing color, or having varying levels of color indicators: light blue when at a safe distance, dark blue upon approaching, white as you continue closing, yellow when just outside of range, and red when you are at a proper range for visibilty, stealing colors from the Con color template. This could do a lot to assist Jedi that honestly are trying to avoid becoming visible to remain hidden, and for those who don't care, it poses no hinderence.
I know that this really is not the place for all of these suggestions, but as we have BHs and Jedi both reading these forums, perhaps it might pose some further discussion in other forums that eventually gets read and considered by the Devs. There are a number of immature players on both sides of the table who give their own group a bad name, and there are those on each side whom members of the opposed side can agree are a pleasure with which to conduct business. Here's hoping that the number of pleasant people may someday surpass the unpleasant, but until then there will be whining on both sides and cries of 'NERF!' from the assembled. Oh well, back to my game. Good day to you all.
Kamujin
Mon Apr 11, 2005 2:00 pm
#59
I think he's refering to the fact that you refuse to spell "responses" correctly.
daz007 wrote:
Doctor_Zaius wrote:
daz007 wrote:
I love some of the dumb responces in here from the usuals. Lovely.
Look, you probably think you're 'cute' or 'leet' or whatever...
But honestly. If you want to call someone 'dumb' over the internet. at least check your spelling ok?
I said dumb responces not dumb people, check your reading.
Jacella
Mon Apr 11, 2005 2:06 pm
#60
I am sorry to admit that a lot of the responses from the jedi community are less than enlightened. This BH isn't here to justify experience loss, but to give insight into the other side of the playing field.
Yserbus
Mon Apr 11, 2005 2:23 pm
#61
My two cents
I am not a bh
I understand that with choice, there is consequence
Every time I have been the prey to a bh I deserved it.
With power comes weakness.
The BH mission is part of the game, if you dont like it, dont allow your self to get involved in it. If thats stay hidden, or dont play the jedi class at all its up to you.
The more people complain about a system that that they entered by choice knowing that may happen, makes you a target even more.
I make armor, I am not going to complain that I cant solo a krayt, im a jedi, I will not complain if I get killed by a jedi. It is part of the game. I bow to the victor and move on.
Kamujin
Mon Apr 11, 2005 2:25 pm
#62
Nah, he's just wants to look cool.
Here is reality.
Heis an obstruction.
Heis a distraction.
Heis a flat tire on our journey.
In the endhe loses, because we arive at our destination.
I've been on the terms constantly for nearly a month since I stopped grinding. 1 BH tried to kill me.
They are cherry pickers. If I got on the terms while I was leveling, one would show up within 2 hours.
They are not hunters. They are beggars who want us to feed them content and are too lazy to work for it.
GrupertRHD
Mon Apr 11, 2005 2:32 pm
#63
Kamujin wrote:Nah, he's just wants to look cool.Here is reality.He is an obstruction.He is a distraction.He is a flat tire on our journey.In the end he loses, because we arive at our destination.I've been on the terms constantly for nearly a month since I stopped grinding. 1 BH tried to kill me.They are cherry pickers. If I got on the terms while I was leveling, one would show up within 2 hours.They are not hunters. They are beggars who want us to feed them content and are too lazy to work for it.
And it's with that attitude above that causes people to dislike those that play jedi. And remember, jedi ARE their content.
Imnostanist
Mon Apr 11, 2005 2:49 pm
#64
THANK YOU PEOPLE!!!! another look of how stupid, cruel, and ignorant humans REALY are. This made my day after other encounters in reallife of true nature of people. For one this is just a game and two all you retards who think THEY know what honor is then they are wrong, people have different views on honor and there isnt just one way for something to be honorable. Their is just a more common way to view it. But no realy seeing all these messages made me laugh my butt off.
Kamujin
Mon Apr 11, 2005 3:33 pm
#65
GrupertRHD wrote:
Kamujin wrote:
Nah, he's just wants to look cool.
Here is reality.
He is an obstruction.
He is a distraction.
He is a flat tire on our journey.
In the end he loses, because we arive at our destination.
I've been on the terms constantly for nearly a month since I stopped grinding. 1 BH tried to kill me.
They are cherry pickers. If I got on the terms while I was leveling, one would show up within 2 hours.
They are not hunters. They are beggars who want us to feed them content and are too lazy to work for it.
And it's with that attitude above that causes people to dislike those that play jedi. And remember, jedi ARE their content.
I disliked Jedi so much I became one when they cried away perma-death. I know both sides of the coin my friend. BH's are bottom feeders.
They don't have to be, they choose to be.