Jedi Archive
Thread: Jedi vs BH Cybernetic Fun!
Dekkonn
Tue Jun 28, 2005 12:32 pm
#53
AlygreaA wrote:
"Bottom line is this. Jedi stand to lose everything in these encounters, and BH's stand to lose absolutely nothing but a trip to the nearest cloner."
Wrong. BH lose a lot of time and hassle that adds up to most of the time you jedi hiding in cantinas, or like I just experience on Kash tonight, you Jedi exploiting line of sight by standing just after where the bridge stops. You run and hide and now cheat. All for what? Because of XP. XP loss is what needs to change.
What needs to be done is remove the xp loss from Jedi deaths. That would promote more pvp and less of your bullcrapcantina hidingand line of sight cheating.
Adding other crap that we BH have to go through will only get less BH after you. Maybe this is what you want, though, less after you - so you can carebear it up in peace. Is it peace you want, or is the fundamental problem the loss of XP?
Regarding the rest of your post - great colors you have, and honestly it's a 'good' idea IF there wasn't another option. XP loss is the real problem.
Mau.
AllI can say about hiding in general, whether it's in a cantina, or a house, or a hole in the ground is this. If you just finished grinding your investigation tree today, and i killed you, adn got paid for it, and sent you back to investigation box #1.... and I did this to you every single day... and brought firends with me to help me do it... again, and again. I can absolutely garuntee you that you would hide as well, or find a new profession, or quit. But in the end, this is not the case, and you can't compare the two professions, but you can make the risk involved for a BH a bit more heroic than a trip to the cloner 
Seloth
Tue Jun 28, 2005 12:42 pm
#56
i like this idea. why? risk v reward that is what lot of bh have been missing honestly i think.
my main promblem with bh v. jedi is not the xp loss but a balance of risk v. reward...
a jedican kill any number of bhany number of times and yetthere is no loss fo the bh to giving it a try.....
now i know tanks that you are going to say but jedi are 1.5 of a normal or that we knew the risks involved, but frankly you all right now have all the major adavatages...player shuttels, droids, first strike,,,
why not give bh a small downside? no skill loss, no xp loss but instead a money loss?
after all you all only hunting us for credits yes?
Message Edited by Seloth on 06-28-2005 02:45 AM
Arcadias
Tue Jun 28, 2005 12:45 pm
#57
AlygreaA wrote:
"Bottom line is this. Jedi stand to lose everything in these encounters, and BH's stand to lose absolutely nothing but a trip to the nearest cloner."
Wrong. BH lose a lot of time and hassle that adds up to most of the time you jedi hiding in cantinas, Yeah, must be a slap in the face. Pick a working mission, shuttle, shuttle, afk in private structure. D'oh. But thats the way the rules apply: Jedi lose vis over time for being ingame without gaining vis. After 3 weeks ingame without gaining vis you should be off terms. or like I just experience on Kash tonight, you Jedi exploiting line of sight by standing just after where the bridge stops.Sorry to hear that. But (depending on server) this is a more or less rare scenario.And even BHare using the LOS-Bug...You run and hide and now cheat. All for what? Because of XP. XP loss is what needs to change. Hmmm, yes!
What needs to be done is remove the xp loss from Jedi deaths. Remove? I don't think this would happen. Get ur Jedi to Kadaara with a Doc. (maybe "hide" inside the med-center) Bring 5 BH-friends. Get the Jedi killed over and over again. Share the money... But hey: Kudos for your opinion! That would promote more pvp and less of your bullcrapcantina hidingand line of sight cheating.
Adding other crap that we BH have to go through will only get less BH after you. Maybe this is what you want, though, less after you - so you can carebear it up in peace. Is it peace you want, or is the fundamental problem the loss of XP?
Regarding the rest of your post - great colors you have, and honestly it's a 'good' idea IF there wasn't another option. XP loss is the real problem.
Mau.
Rebiv
Tue Jun 28, 2005 12:50 pm
#58
AlygreaA, XP loss isn't the problem, as I could care less if a BH kills me. The BH should have a loss as well for failing their mission, whether it be the "creator" of the mission sending goons after the BH for his failure or the cybernetic idea, which I believe would be great, or any other type of loss for the BH from money to skills, would make a large dent on this respec BH population that spontaneously popped up after CU.
I am close to completeing my template and a small loss like being killed wouldn't bother me, but having BHs come after you in droves hour after hour is just plain rediculous. If the BH failed, he should have a loss or a long wait to get another mission.
Why not have some sort of BH Reputation, where if you succeed in your missions you raise your reputation with the mission "suppliers" If you get say 5 missions in a row where you succeed, you can get higher level missions for a better reward. Im sure someone can make a plan or system with some sort of BH Reputation involvement. Maybe someone can make a post about it if they have the time and imagination?
Corrin_Skywaker
Tue Jun 28, 2005 12:56 pm
#60
I did not read anyof the posts so I dont know if it was said, but Luke skywalked pulled out his saber to attack the Sidious (Spelling) But Darth Vader stopped the attack
MetallicaJunkie
Tue Jun 28, 2005 12:57 pm
#61
Baciacca wrote:/Taking Notes....Very interesting suggestion.
"I have a bad feeling about this"
This is a very bad idea. I'm glad you're reading posts and I'm glad you reply to them, but you can't support these sorts of ideas. If anything from this post I would have picked up on the "jedi don't help" part, all these respec and otherwise BH are bottom feeding on paddies, most of which hunt with higher level jedi. Allow those higher level jedi the tef to help, not everyone in the group. Only the highest level jedi (as in highest SP total devoted to jedi disciplines) This is not only a favour to paddies (of which previous correspondents have promoted very few) but also allows the higher level jedi to fight BH as they're not getting hunted currently.
Corrin_Skywaker
Tue Jun 28, 2005 12:57 pm
#62
Corrin_Skywaker wrote:
I did not read anyof the posts so I dont know if it was said, but Luke skywalked pulled out his saber to attack the Sidious (Spelling) But Darth Vader stopped the attack
By the way it was ROTJ
Rebiv
Tue Jun 28, 2005 12:58 pm
#63
Movies not= SWG
Im sure they could add Jedi aid for BH encounters, but the Devs want to make grinding impossible because they screwed up the entire jedi population.
Im sure they could add Jedi aid for BH encounters, but the Devs want to make grinding impossible because they screwed up the entire jedi population.
Dekkonn
Tue Jun 28, 2005 12:59 pm
#64
Corrin_Skywaker wrote:
I did not read anyof the posts so I dont know if it was said, but Luke skywalked pulled out his saber to attack the Sidious (Spelling) But Darth Vader stopped the attack
Ahhh yes, but after Darth Vader stopped him, a fight began that ultimately resulted inVader's severed hand flying off into the wind... 
Message Edited by Dekkonn on 06-28-2005 04:04 AM
wookie-mart
Tue Jun 28, 2005 1:00 pm
#65
Wow, this is probably the most original idea for this genre i've ever seen! 10 *'s for you, sir!
I do however, agree with that earlier statement about more jedi would stick around and hammer it out with a BH if they weren't worried about 3 hrs of work going down the toilet. I certainly would. Worst case scenerio is that our (defunct) FRS ranking would drop.